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Subject: Sanctioned "DRAGS"......
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Hello out there....
Is there anyone with information pertaining to sanctioned FUNNY car, or
TOP FUELER events anywhere within driving distance of ANNAPOLIS, MD....
nice way to spend the weekends..... and love to watch the FUELERS....

Wayne

From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun  8 14:20:02 1995
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Subject: Re: coatings
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Try looking for the steel wool 0000 in a home improvement store.

Believe it or not , I found mine in the Home Depot by my house. would
never have known it was there until I walked by it looking for a
different item for the house.

[ Dave, isn't the nearest Home Depot a half day drive away?  --FEP ]


From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun  8 14:20:23 1995
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>I just realized that to clean my floor mats for use ontop of my new
>carpeting in my '79 Camaro.....  My HOME vacuum cleaner with the beater
>bar attatchment works WONDERS compared to using the sucking-only action
>of the car wash vacuums....

Lisa....   Most of us guys would never have thought of it!  It's not Hi Tech
enough   ;)
Shame we can't get the Eureka Corvette vac to get descent suction, my Regals
and Cutlass would look nice after the dog & kid get out of them...

                                      Jeff / GBodyTek@aol.com

From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun  8 14:20:45 1995
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X-From: yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU (Norman Yarvin)

Dave Williams writes about a couple of coatings, including a ceramic
coating which he plans to apply to the top of his pistons.  The top of
the piston does seem like the right place for it, in that it'd be under
compression rather than under tension which ceramics don't like too
much.  But how well does the ceramic conduct heat?  My guess is a lot
worse than steel or aluminum.  The problem is that hot spots on the top
of the piston might cause knocking.


--
Norman Yarvin						yarvin@cs.yale.edu
 "Nylon 9 is made from soybean oil by reacting with ozone."--Materials Handbook
	(The ultimate environmentalist plastic!)

From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun  8 14:21:11 1995
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Subject: A-body rear axles
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Frank,

I know you where looking for the info - guess what.

Car Craft may actually have some good facts in it.  Wednesday I
received Car Craft (probablyu July issue).  In the tech section there
is a listing of 12 bolt rear axle applications.  More importantly it
list the dimensions.

I don't have the magazine with me - morning brain fade - but basically
it comes down to this:

The 65-67 A-bodies have a rear that is 1" narrower flange to flange
compared to the 68-72 ones.  However the Camaro-Firebird rears have an
identical width - just the mounts are all wrong.

So the easy bolt-in would be an early A-body.  The more difficult would
be the Camaro/Firebird route.  Personally I think I'd look at the later
A-bodies and see what an extra 1/2" on each side will cost or gain.

Checking the local want ads - seems $450 is the going price for a 12
bolt rear used.

Dirk


From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun  8 14:24:27 1995
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Subject: More power, please!!
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Ok. Not only am I FEMALE, but I get easily baffled by all of the jergon
you guys toss around in your interesting letters.  What I wanna know
is...

What are some common ways to get more power, and NOT get two miles to
the gallon!!  I have a 79 Camaro with a 350...four barrel...and
whenever someone pulls up next to me and acts like they wanna race, I
wish I could!! But the power just is NOT there!  I'm sure I have a
stock cam and all that...don's even ask about rear-ends...I have NO
idea! All I know is I do NOT have Positraction.  And also...Next time I
need a muffler, I want to get something to bring out the PURR from my
engine.  Do I start with hedders or can a different type of muffler
take care of that all alone??  Help! I talk with my mechanic, but even
he is sometimes not a big help on matters of upgrading like this.

 Thanks!!                             LISA

[  Free flowing exhaust, cam and intake will radically wake 
up a 350 4bbl.  You will have emissions headaches doing this,
unless you work hard.  Do you car about emissions?  How much money
can you spend?

Exhaust is a good thing to start with.  Save your paychecks
and get a set of Doug Thorley headers.  I think your car has
a 2.5" dual system avialable from Flowmaster.  

Your car will Purr with this combo, and at Wide Open Trottle, it
will positivly Growl.  There are other, less expensive options,
too.  --FEP ]


From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun  8 14:24:55 1995
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Subject: Re: Those Chevy rear ends.
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>	The other question is about what applications have the rear
>end I need.  Late production 1964 Chevelles ( like mine ) seem to have
>the Camaro/Chevelle/Nova 8.2" '64-'72 unit.  Obsolete as of 1984.
>No production parts ( that I can find ) and not much NOS.  I have a 
>hunch that the '78-'81 Olds Cutlass/Chevy Malibu/Buick ??/Cadillac 
>Seville/Pontiac ??? with 10 bolt 8.5" ring will fit directly.  Does 
>anybody know any better?

The '78-'81 (and beyond) G-bodies have a 1" narrower rear - just enough
that every wider wheel that I tried (standard Crager SS 15x8 and 15x7
Camaro Z-28 aluminum) would hit the frame.  I would have needed deep
dish wheels (and they all seem to stick our too far...).

>	The car is currently on the floor ( in pieces ) at Global
>West.  Quick thoughts are encouraged, especially those that give me
>sources here in SoCal.  I hear there may be a huge rear-end place in 
>Long Beach -- anybody know the name?

The only places that I know that may be arounds are:
Mosier, Currie, and Tom's Differential.

The first two are in just about every hot craft magazine.  The last one
is a little more obsure but I have hear only good things from those
that have found and used him.  Check old postings - esp one that I
posted with questions about corvette rears.

As for me - I doubt the price difference between a new 10-bolt and a
new 12- bolt is all that much.  I would get a used 12-bolt and have it
rebuilt with new gears and maybe a new posi.  I would look for an early
A-body.  Try to stay with Chevy 12-bolts - I understand every branch of
GM had its own different version.

Might I also suggest a ford 9".

Buy the housing from Currie (or similar)
Buy the axles from Mossier.
use stock brakes - redrill the drums for alternative bolt pattern
Buy the pumpkin used - get a Detroit Locker - about a dime a dozen at swap 
meets (well, maybe more than a dime - but cheaper than a posi).

A stock 9" pumpkin will do.
Stock breaks are O.K.
It may be possible to redrill stock axles - Mossier could answer that one.  
They can also shorten and respline stock axles.

My guess you could get away with less than $1000 for a top notch axle.
With scrounging maybe $800.  Does anyone know what Currie wants for a
bare housing with A-body mounts and stock 9" end plates?

[ Thanks for the thought.  I had to run out of town for a bit.
It turned out that I could use the LockRight mechanical locking
diff. to replace most of what was worn.  I ordered shim, seal and 
bearing kit from National Drivetrain and things are moving along
slowly.  

I looked into the Ford 9" route.  A bit too much $.  My car is not
setup for drag work, and will not be.  I expect that the rebuilt
rear will work well enough.  

I have stayed away from the 12 bolt because I just bought a set
of wheels....   --FEP ]

Dirk

From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun  8 14:56:23 1995
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On May 8, 11:53am, Hotrod List wrote:
> Subject: A/C license
> OK, if there's anyone still interested in the A/C technician thing, here's
the
> details.  A letter and a check for $20 to MACS (Mobile Air Conditioning
> Service) will net you a 30 question test that you can study for at home, send
> back in, and hey presto you are a certified to work on mobile A/C systems.
> And purchase freon, too.  I think the test mostly covers EPA regulations,
> with little or no A/C topics.  The address and phone number are:
>
> MACS
> PO Box 100
> East Greenville, Pennsylvania 18041
>
> 215 679 2220
> Oh yeah, someone mentioned that there was a "buyers license" that would allow
> you to purchase freon, without actually getting a technicians license.  I
> haven't been able to find out anything about that.
>
> --steve
>-- End of excerpt from Hotrod List

Even if you've got the license, don't you still have to be able to prove
that you are using what you buy in an approved (i.e., recovery) charging
station?

-Ken



From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun  8 15:04:31 1995
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Try a 12 bolt out of a Olds Vista Cruiser Wagon (through 72) they are
always 12 bolts and usually Posi, and will bolt right in your car.
Bonus extra is bigger drum brakes in the deal, some even had aluminum
drums! Good luck!  

[Car]buration is not the way to go.  Try a 600 CFM single
feed, vacuum secondary, carb for most engines through 360 cubic
inches.  Often the factory was not really that far off in many high
performance carburation systems. If your engine was originally equipped
with a two barrel carburator, and you upgraded to a 4 barrel, see what
the factory used CFM-wise as your guide to carb selection. When you
consider that most street engines rarely get over 5000 RPM (be honest
now) Big CFM numbers are useless. The carb will never flow the CFM you
bought it for. It takes RPM to do that. A smaller carb gives crisp
response at lower RPM's

[ 12 bolts will not work well with my new wheels!  Its coming 
together, though.

Is the carb. message for me?  Likely not; I already have an 
Edelbrock 600 on my Chevelle.  What you say is mostly right
on.  --FEP ]


From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun  8 15:04:47 1995
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Im looking for an independant rear off of a vette or jag.  It needs to be
complete from rotor to rotor and with at least 3:70 gears plus in good shape.
 If anyone can help me I would appreciate it very much.
Thanks

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                               TV Events

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to Curt Swinehart for providing me with info. on the many regional sports
networks and Tak Ariga for coverage in Canada.  PLEASE confirm dates and
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SCCA TRANS-AM, MOSPORT (T)            06/02    12:00-2:00PM     SCP
DW's Racing Weekly                    06/02    11:00-11:30PM    FAM
SpeedWeek                             06/03    12:30-1:00AM     ESPN
Checkered Flag                        06/03    1:00-1:30AM      ESPN
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SpeedWeek                             06/03    6:00-6:30AM      ESPN
MotoWorld                             06/03    7:00-7:30AM      ESPN2
WINSTON CUP, THE WINSTON SELECT (T)   06/03    9:00-11:00AM     TNN
MotorWeek                             06/03    10:00-10:30AM    WGN
NASCAR Today                          06/03    11:00-11:30AM    ESPN
DW's Racing Weekly                    06/03   11:30AM-12:00PM   FAM
BUSCH GN, DOVER (L)                   06/03    1:00-3:30PM      TNN
Secrets Of Speed (Pike's Peak)        06/03    2:00-2:30PM      ESPN2
Super Chevy Series, Dallas            06/03    2:30-3:00PM      ESPN2
ESPN2 LIGHTNING, IRP (L)              06/03    3:00-5:00PM      ESPN2
WORLD SUPERBIKES, DONINGTON PARK (T)  06/03    3:00-4:00PM      MSG
NHRA Today w/Steve Evans, Dinwiddie(L)06/03    3:30-4:00PM      TNN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, LOUISVILLE (L)    06/03    5:00-7:00PM      ESPN
INDYCAR, POLE QUALIFYING, MILWAUKEE(L)06/03    5:00-6:00PM      ESPN2
MotorWeek                             06/03    5:00-5:30PM      MPT
Inside Winston Cup w/Ned Jarrett      06/03    6:00-6:30PM      TNN
The Power & The Glory (Italian racing)06/03    6:30-7:00PM      HIST
Truckin' USA w/Ed Bruce               06/03    6:30-7:00PM      TNN
WERA TRIPLE CROWN, ATLANTA (T)        06/03    7:00-8:00PM      ESPN2
ASA, JENNERSTOWN (L)                  06/03    6:30-9:00PM      HTS,
                                         ,PASS,PSN,PSSW,SCNE,SCP,SCPH
Supercross Thrills & Spills           06/03    8:00-8:30PM      ESPN2
ASA, JENNERSTOWN (SD)                 06/03   10:30PM-1:00AM    PSNW,
                                                             PSW,SPTS
NHRA, SOUTHERN NATIONALS, ATLANTA (T) 06/03    10:30-11:30PM    HTS
ASA, JENNERSTOWN (SD)                 06/03   11:30PM-2:00AM    SCC
MotoWorld                             06/04    2:30-3:00AM      ESPN
ASA, JENNERSTOWN (T)                  06/04    3:00-5:30AM      MSG,
                                 PASS,PSN,PSNW,PSW,SCNE,SCOH,SCP,SCPH
ASA, JENNERSTOWN (T)                  06/04    3:30-5:30AM      NESN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, LOUISVILLE (T)    06/04    9:00-11:00AM     ESPN2
Shadetree Mechanic (suspensions)      06/04    9:00-9:30AM      ESPN
The Best Of Shadetree Mechanic        06/04    9:30-10:00AM     TNN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (his own team!)  06/04    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
NHRA Today w/Steve Evans, Dinwiddie(L)06/04    10:30-11:30AM    TNN
Inside Drag Racing                    06/04    11:00-11:30AM    ESPN2
RaceDay w/Rick Benjamin (L)           06/04   11:30AM-12:00PM   TNN
WINSTON CUP, THE 24 HRS OF DOVER (L)  06/04    12:00-4:30PM     TNN
      (beverage donations gratefully accepted in turn 4, (AA,10))
ASA, JENNERSTOWN (T)                  06/04    12:30-3:00PM     SUN
INDYCAR, MILWAUKEE (L)                06/04    1:00-3:00PM      ABC
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (L)          06/04    3:00-4:30PM      EMPS,
                            HTS,PASS,PSN,PSNW,PSN2,SCNE,SCPH,SPTS,SUN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (his own team!)  06/04    4:30-5:00PM      TNN
NHRA, VIRGINIA NATIONALS, DINWIDDIE(L)06/04    5:00-6:00PM      TNN
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (SD)         06/04    5:00-6:30PM      SCC
ASA, JENNERSTOWN (T)                  06/04    5:00-7:30PM      EMPS
GRANADA TO DAKAR RALLY (T)            06/04    5:30-6:30PM      ESPN2
IMSA SUPERCAR, LONG BEACH (T)         06/04    6:30-7:00PM      ESPN
MOTORCYCLE GRAND PRIX, JAPAN (T)      06/04    6:30-7:30PM      ESPN2
Inside Winston Cup w/Ned Jarrett      06/04    6:30-7:00PM      TNN
ASA, JENNERSTOWN (T)                  06/04    7:00-9:30PM  NESN,SCOH
RaceDay w/Rick Benjamin (L)           06/04    7:30-8:00PM      TNN
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (SD)         06/04    7:30-9:00PM      PSSW
NASCAR, GOODYS DASH, SUMMERVILLE (T)  06/04    8:00-9:00PM      SPTS
INDYCAR, MILWAUKEE (SD)               06/04    8:30-11:00PM     TSN
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (SD)         06/04    8:30-10:00PM     SCP
SCCA TRANS-AM, LIME ROCK (T)          06/04    9:00-11:00PM     SPTS
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (SD)         06/04    9:30-11:00PM  NESN,SCOH
SCCA TRANS-AM, LIME ROCK (T)          06/04   11:00PM-1:00AM    PSSW
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (SD)         06/04   11:00PM-12:30AM   PSW
Road Test Magazine w/Don Garlits      06/04    11:00-11:30PM    TNN
Truckin' USA w/Ed Bruce               06/04   11:30PM-12:00AM   TNN
NHRA Today w/Steve Evans, Dinwiddie(T)06/05    12:00-1:00AM     TNN
NHRA, VIRGINIA NATIONALS, DINWIDDIE(T)06/05    1:00-2:00AM      TNN
ESPN2 LIGHTNING, IRP (T)              06/05    1:00-3:00AM      ESPN2
NHRA, SOUTHERN NATIONALS, ATLANTA (T) 06/05    2:00-3:00AM      SCPH
ASA, JENNERSTOWN (T)                  06/05    2:30-5:00AM      NESN
Monster Trucks                        06/05    3:00-4:00AM      ESPN2
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (T)          06/05    3:30-5:00AM      HTS,
                            MSG,PASS,PSN,PSNW,PSN2,SCNE,SCOH,SCP,SCPH
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, SAN MARINO (T)      06/05    6:00-6:30AM      ESPN2
TOYOTA ATLANTIC, PHOENIX (T)          06/05    6:30-7:00AM      ESPN2
INDYCAR, MILWAUKEE (T)                06/05    12:30-3:00PM     TSN
INDYCAR, MILWAUKEE (T)                06/05    1:00-3:00PM      ESPN
ASA, JENNERSTOWN (T)                  06/05    2:00-4:30PM      NESN
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (T)          06/05    4:30-6:00PM      NESN
SCCA TRANS-AM, LIME ROCK (T)          06/05    7:30-9:30PM      SCNY
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (T)          06/05    7:30-9:00PM    PSN,SCOH
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (T)          06/05   11:30PM-1:00AM    SUN
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (T)          06/06    2:30-4:00AM      NESN
Monster Trucks                        06/06    3:00-4:00AM      ESPN2
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, MONACO (T)          06/06    6:00-6:30AM      ESPN2
TOYOTA ATLANTIC, LONG BEACH (T)       06/06    6:30-7:00AM      ESPN2
ESPN2 LIGHTNING, IRP (T)              06/06    2:00-4:00PM      ESPN2
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (T)          06/06    5:00-6:30PM      EMPS,
                                                MSG,PSN,PSNW,PSN2,SCP
HAV-A-TAMPA SERIES (T)                06/06    9:30-10:30PM     SPTS
ARCA SUPERCAR, LOUISVILLE (T)         06/06    10:30-11:30PM    SPTS
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (T)          06/07    3:00-4:30AM      MSG,
                                     PASS,PSN,PSN2,SCNE,SCOH,SCP,SCPH
Monster Trucks                        06/07    3:00-4:00AM      ESPN2
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, SPAIN (T)           06/07    6:00-6:30AM      ESPN2
TOYOTA ATLANTIC, MOSPORT (T)          06/07    6:30-7:00AM      ESPN2
The Power & The Glory (mid-engine cars06/07    12:30-1:00PM     HIST
IMSA, LIME ROCK (T)                   06/07    2:30-3:30PM      ESPN
WERA TRIPLE CROWN, ATLANTA (T)        06/07    3:00-4:00PM      ESPN2
Movie: Six Pack                       06/07    4:00-5:50PM      MAX
MotoWorld                             06/07    4:30-5:00PM      ESPN
The Power & The Glory (mid-engine cars06/07    5:30-6:00PM      HIST
Inside Drag Racing                    06/08    2:30-3:00AM      ESPN2
Monster Trucks                        06/08    3:00-4:00AM      ESPN2
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, FRANCE (T)          06/08    6:00-6:30AM      ESPN2
TOYOTA ATLANTIC, MILWAUKEE (T)        06/08    6:30-7:00AM      ESPN2
ASA, JENNERSTOWN (T)                  06/08    9:00-11:30AM     SUN
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (T)          06/08   11:30AM-1:00PM    SUN
NHRA, SOUTHERN NATIONALS, ATLANTA (T) 06/08    1:00-2:00PM      EMPS,
                                  MSG,PASS,PSN,PSNW,PSN2,SCNE,SCOH,SCP
Supercross Thrills & Spills           06/08    1:00-1:30PM      ESPN
AMA MOTOCROSS, SACRAMENTO (T)         06/08    2:00-3:00PM      ESPN2
SUZUKI CUP, ATLANTA (T)               06/08    3:00-4:00PM      ESPN2
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (T)          06/08    3:00-4:30PM      SCC
SCCA TRANS-AM, LIME ROCK (T)          06/08    5:00-7:00PM      MSG,
                                                    PSN,PSNW,PSN2,SCP
Raceline                              06/08    6:00-6:30PM      HTS
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (T)          06/08    7:00-8:30PM      PSW
This Week In NASCAR w/Eli Gold (L)    06/08    8:00-9:00PM      PASS,
                                  PSN,PSN2,SCC,SCNE,SCP,SCPH,SPTS,SUN
  (guest will be Kenny Schrader)
SHOW ME 100, WEST PLAINS (T)          06/08    9:00-10:00PM     PSN2
NHRA, SOUTHERN NATIONALS, ATLANTA (T) 06/09    2:00-3:00AM      MSG,
                                                        PASS,PSN,SPTS
Monster Trucks                        06/09    3:00-4:00AM      ESPN2
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, GREAT BRITAIN (T)   06/09    6:00-6:30AM      ESPN2
TOYOTA ATLANTIC, TROIS RIVIERES (T)   06/09    6:30-7:00AM      ESPN2
NHRA, SOUTHERN NATIONALS, ATLANTA (T) 06/09    12:00-1:00PM     SCPH
Prelude au Grand Prix de Monreal      06/09    7:00-7:30PM      CBCF
Raceline                              06/09    7:30-8:00PM      HTS
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (T)          06/09    9:30-11:00PM     MSG
DW's Racing Weekly                    06/09    11:00-11:30PM    FAM
SpeedWeek                             06/10    12:30-1:00AM     ESPN
BARBER PRO, LIME ROCK (T)             06/10    1:00-1:30AM      ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, LOUISVILLE (T)    06/10    3:00-4:30AM      ESPN
IMSA SUPERCAR, LONG BEACH (T)         06/10    4:30-5:00AM      ESPN
SpeedWeek                             06/10    6:00-6:30AM      ESPN
MotoWorld                             06/10    7:00-7:30AM      ESPN2
NHRA, VIRGINIA NATIONALS, DINWIDDIE(T)06/10    9:00-10:30AM     TNN
Trucks & Tractor Power                06/10    10:30-11:00AM    TNN
NASCAR Today                          06/10    11:00-11:30AM    ESPN
DW's Racing Weekly                    06/10   11:30AM-12:00PM   FAM

                  ----------COMING EVENTS----------

AMA SUPERCROSS, ORLANDO (T)           06/10    12:00-1:00PM     ESPN2
ARCA, POCONO 150 (L)                  06/10    1:00-3:00PM      TNN GRAND
PRIX DE MONTREAL, QUALIFYING (T)06/10    1:00-2:30PM      CBCF
MOTORCYCLE GRAND PRIX, OZ (T)         06/10    1:00-2:00PM      ESPN2
TOYOTA CELEBRITY, LONG BEACH (T)      06/10    2:30-3:00PM      ESPN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, SPAIN (T)           06/10    3:00-3:30PM      ESPN
BUSCH GN, MYRTLE BEACH (L)            06/10    5:00-7:00PM      TNN
BARBER PRO, MIAMI (T)                 06/10    5:00-5:30PM      ESPN2
BARBER PRO, SEBRING (T)               06/10    5:30-6:00PM      ESPN2
The Power & The Glory (mid-engine cars06/10    6:30-7:00PM      HIST
SUPER CHEVY SERIES, MEMPHIS (T)       06/10    7:30-8:00PM      ESPN2
ESPN2 LIGHTNING, IRP  (L)             06/10    8:00-10:00PM     ESPN2
FORMULA CUP, BIRMINGHAM (T)           06/10    8:00-9:00PM      SCNY
ASA, ODESSA, MO (L)                   06/10    9:00-11:30PM     HTS,
                       PASS,PSN,PSNW,PSSW,PSW,SCNE,SCOH,SCPH,SPTS,SUN
ASA, ODESSA, MO (L)                   06/10    10:00-11:30PM    PSN2
AMA MOTOCROSS, MT. MORRIS (T)         06/10    10:00-11:00PM    ESPN2
MOTORCYCLE GRAND PRIX, GERMANY (T)    06/10   11:00PM-12:00AM   ESPN2
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (NHRA funny cars)06/11    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
WINSTON CUP, POCONO (L)               06/11    1:00-5:00PM      TNN
FORMULA 1, MONTREAL, CANADA (L)       06/11    1:30-4:00PM      CBC
FORMULA 1, MONTREAL, CANADA (L)       06/11    tba              ESPN
INDYCAR, DETROIT (L)                  06/11    2:00-4:30PM      TSN
INDYCAR, DETROIT (L)                  06/11    2:30-5:00PM      ABC
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (NHRA funny cars)06/11    6:00-6:30PM      TNN
FORMULA 1, MONTREAL, CANADA (SD)      06/11    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, MONTREAL, CANADA (SD)      06/12    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
INDYCAR, DETROIT (T)                  06/12    12:30-3:00PM     TSN
INDYCAR, DETROIT (T)                  06/12    1:00-3:30PM      ESPN
ASA, AUBURN, MI (?)                   06/16    tba              tba
ASA, GRAND RAPIDS, MI (?)             06/17    tba              PSN
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, LIME ROCK (T)      06/17    6:30PM           ESPN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Sawyer & Moise) 06/18    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
WINSTON CUP, MICHIGAN (L)             06/18    1:00PM           CBS
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Sawyer & Moise) 06/18    2:30-3:00PM      TNN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, BRISTOL (?)       06/23    tba              tba
Win! w/Rusty Wallace(Earnhardt's kids)06/24    3:30-4:00PM      TNN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace(Earnhardt's kids)06/25    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
BUSCH GN, WATKINS GLEN (L)            06/25    2:00-4:00PM      TNN
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (L)                 06/25    3:30-6:30PM      TSN
ASA, BRAINERD, MN (L)                 06/25    4:00-6:30PM      TNN
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (L)                 06/25    4:00-6:30PM      ESPN
NHRA, SPRINGNATIONALS, COLUMBUS (T)   06/25    5:00PM           ABC
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (T)                 06/26    8:30-11:00AM     TSN
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (T)                 06/28    1:30-4:00PM      ESPN
WINSTON CUP, DAYTONA (L)              07/01    11:00AM          ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, MILWAUKEE (?)     07/01    tba              tba
ASA, CEDAR RAPIDS (?)                 07/01    tba              TNN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, SAN MARINO (T)      07/01    3:00-3:30PM      ESPN2
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (L)    07/02    7:30-10:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (L)    07/02    7:50-10:00AM     ESPN
BUSCH GN, MILWAUKEE (?)               07/02    tba              tba
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (SD)   07/02    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (T)    07/03    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (SD)   07/03    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, SPAIN (T)           07/08    12:30-1:00PM     ESPN2
WINSTON CUP, LOUDON (L)               07/09    1:00PM           TNN
INDYCAR, ELKHART LAKE (L)             07/09    1:30-4:00PM      TSN
INDYCAR, ELKART LAKE (L)              07/09    2:00-4:30PM      ESPN
ASA, SALEM, IN (?)                    07/09    tba              PSN
NHRA, NATIONALS, TOPEKA (T)           07/09    5:00PM           ABC
INDYCAR, ELKHART LAKE (T)             07/10    8:30-11:00AM     TSN
INDYCAR, ELKART LAKE (T)              07/10    3:00-5:30PM      ESPN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, MONACO (T)          07/11    12:30-1:00AM     ESPN
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, WATKINS GLEN (T)   07/15    1:00PM           ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, ERIE, CO (?)      07/15    tba              tba
INDYCAR, QUALIFYING, TORONTO,CANADA(L)07/15    5:00-6:00PM      CBC
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, MONACO (T)          07/15    5:00-5:30PM      ESPN2
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (L)  07/16    8:30-11:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (L)  07/16    8:50-11:00AM     ESPN
WINSTON CUP, POCONO (L)               07/16    1:00PM           TBS
INDYCAR, TORONTO (L)                  07/16    1:30-3:30PM      ABC
INDYCAR, TORONTO, CANADA (L)          07/16    1:30-4:00PM      CBC
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (SD) 07/16    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (T)  07/17    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (SD) 07/17    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
INDYCAR, TORONTO (T)                  07/17    1:00-3:00PM      ESPN
BUSCH GN, TALLADEGA (?)               07/22    tba              tba
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, FRANCE (T)          07/22    3:00-3:30PM      ESPN2
WINSTON CUP, TALLADEGA (L)            07/23    1:15PM           CBS
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (L)                07/23    3:00-5:00PM      ABC
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (SD)               07/23    8:30-11:00PM     TSN
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (T)                07/24    12:30-3:00PM     TSN
NHRA, MILE HIGH NATIONALS, DENVER (T) 07/24    7:30PM           ESPN
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (T)                07/25    3:00-5:00PM      ESPN
IMSA, SEARS POINT (T)                 07/27    5:00-6:00PM      ESPN
BUSCH GN, SOUTH BOSTON (?)            07/29    tba              tba
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, GREAT BRITAIN (T)   07/29    1:00-1:30PM      ESPN2
IROC #4, MICHIGAN                     07/29 (live coverage is unlikely)
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, TOPEKA (?)        07/29    tba              tba
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, ELKART LAKE (T)    07/29    5:30PM           ESPN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY (L)    07/30    7:30-10:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY (L)    07/30    7:50-10:00AM     ESPN
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (L)                 07/30    11:30-3:30PM     TSN
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (L)                 07/30    2:30-6:00PM      ABC
ASA, TOPEKA (?)                       07/30    tba              TNN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, FRANCE (T)          07/30    6:30-7:00PM      ESPN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY  (SD)  07/30    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY  (T)   07/31    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY  (SD)  07/31    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (T)                 07/31    12:30-4:00PM     TSN
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (T)                 07/31    1:00-4:30PM      ESPN
NHRA, CALIFORNIA NATIONALS, SONOMA (T)07/31    7:30PM           ESPN
IMSA, PORTLAND (T)                    08/03    1:00-2:00PM      ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, INDIANAPOLIS (?)  08/03    tba              tba
BUSCH GN, INDIANAPOLIS (?)            08/04    tba              tba
BRICKYARD 400 (L)                     08/05    12:00PM          ABC
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, ELKART LAKE (T)    08/06    3:30PM           ESPN
NHRA, NORTHWEST NATIONALS, SEATTLE (T)08/07    8:30PM           ESPN


* Network Designations

A&E      Arts & Entertainment Network
AMC      American Movie Classics
CBCE     Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (East)
CBCF     Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (French)?
CBCW     Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (West)
CBCM     Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (Montreal)
DIS      The Disney Channel
EMPS     Regional Sports Network (New York)
ENC      Encore
ESPN     ESPN Sports Network
ESPN2    ESPN Sports Network 2
FAM      The Family Channel (a NASCAR team sponsor!)
HBO      Home Box Office
HIST     The History Channel
HSE      Regional Sports Network (Houston)
HTS      Regional Sports Network (Baltimore & DC)
KBL      Regional Sports Network (Pittsburg)
MAX      Cinemax
MPT      Maryland Public TV
MSC      Midwest Sports Channel
MSG      Madison Square Garden
MTV      Music(?) Television
PASS     Regional Sports Network (Detroit)
PBS      Public TV (USA)
PRTK     Regional Sports Network (LA)
PSRM     Prime Sports Network (Rocky Mountains)
PSN      Prime Sports Network
PSN2     Prime Sports Network (Midwest & Mountains)
PSNW     Prime Sports Network (Northwest)
PSSW     Prime Sports Network (Southwest)
PSW      Prime Sports Network (West)
NESN     New England Sports Network
QVC      home shopping
RDS      Reseau Des Sports (Canada - French)
SCC      Sports Channel Chicago
SCNE     Sports Channel New England
SCNY     Sports Channel New York
SCOH     Sports Channel Ohio
SCP      Sports Channel Pacific
SCPH     Sports Channel Philly
SHOW     Showtime
SPTS     Sport South Network
SRC      Societe Radio-Canada (French)
SUN      Sunshine Network (Regional Sports Network, SE USA)
TBS      Atlanta "Super Station"
TNN      The Nashville Network
TSN      The Sports Network (Canada - English)
USA      USA Network
WDCA     Washington, DC
WGN      Chicago "Super Station"
WJZ      Baltimore
WOR      New York "Super Station"

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From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun  8 15:29:49 1995
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Subject: Re: Sanctioned "DRAGS"......
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X-From: robert bigelow 

Saw this little jewel in Autoweek:
Super Stock/AFX/Funny Car Racers Reunion.  Virginia Motorsports Park,
Petersberg, Virginia...... July 1 & 2.  Info call (704) 892-8008.
Have fun. Wish I could make it.


On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, Hotrod List wrote:

> Hello out there....
> Is there anyone with information pertaining to sanctioned FUNNY car, or
> TOP FUELER events anywhere within driving distance of ANNAPOLIS, MD....
> nice way to spend the weekends..... and love to watch the FUELERS....
> 
> Wayne
> 

From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun  9 12:24:25 1995
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X-From: mfugazzo@resdgs1.er.usgs.gov (Mark Fugazzotto)

How about MIR Maryland International Raceway, in Budds creek Maryland
Lots of events there.


-- 
Mark Fugazzotto                        |  mfugazzo@resdgs1.er.usgs.gov
United States Geological Survey        |
Reston, VA 22092                       |  [INSERT SNAZZY TAGLINE HERE]
(703) 648-4558                         |

From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun  9 12:27:47 1995
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X-From: Dan Malek 


> Date:  Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:05:01 -0700
> From:  Hotrod List 
> 

>Even if you've got the license, don't you still have to be able to prove
>that you are using what you buy in an approved (i.e., recovery) charging
>station?

Yes.  People with the license are aubject to visits by EPA personnel.
Not having approved equipment, such as a recovery system, will result
to big fines.

I have several friends in the automotive repair industry that perform
A/C work.  One has had such a visit.

	-- Dan



From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun  9 12:30:33 1995
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X-From: CY4FN@aol.com

Hello Hotrodders from the editor of Secrets magazine. Has anyone been
using the PERTRONIX IGNITOR aftermarket electronic ignition
conversion?

I understand these units are quite small, have spec that equal the
Chrysler "reluctor" system, have only two wires to connect and no
"black box" to mount on the fire wall. Unit is suppose to be completly
self contained inside the dist. even a small one like a VW.

I have heard that these units have been fairly well accepted by the
muscel car crowd.

I would like to hear what you have heard . . . good or bad.
Thanks. Charlie Y. editor, Secrets Magazine, CYFN@AOL.COM

[ I do not think I have ever heard of it.  Do you have any
specifications, like max voltage, discharge time, power output, 
switching method, etc?  --FEP ]


From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun  9 12:30:50 1995
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X-From: Tom Carver 

I thought I'd pass along this little shop tip I came up with last
weekend that works great:

If you need to machine a little part out of steel in an emergency, and
you don't happen to have lathe handy, this works pretty well:

You can take a small piece of steel and chuck it in the 1/2" chuck in a
drillpress, turn on the drill press, and then use a 3" cutoff wheel in
a pneumatic die grinder to do "freehand" cutting of the part while it's
turning in the drill.  It's amazingly fast and easy.  I made a
complicated little roller shaft for a window lift assembly in about
thirty seconds -- complete with a taper, and a stepped down shoulder.
It's kind of a crude way to do things, but if you need to get it done
in a hurry, it's pretty convenient.

As always, do things safely -- wear safety goggles etc. etc.

Tom

From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun  9 12:31:09 1995
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X-From: BokkenEye@aol.com

lisa-

   Do exactly what FEP suggested and you will definitely get power.
also try synthetic oil. sure it costs 3times as much, but it also lasts
more than 3 times longer. the main thing you have to do is be sure to
keep changing the oil filter. plus you will also get about an increase
of 2-5 mpg.  i swear by synthetic oil. and you engine will run  cooler
too. YOU CANNOT LOSE WITH SYNTHETIC OIL!

[ Well, if you leave it in for 3 times as long, it gets 3 times as
polluted, modulo oil filter changes.  It also has 3 times as long
to loose its anti-wear additives, etc.  See the Oil FAQ for some
ideas.  --FEP ]

   Also try a K&N air cleaner, split fire spark plugs, and some decent
spark plug wires. Another cheap thing is a transmission fluid cooler.
With all of these things I just mentioned, i'm guessing you can boost
your horsepower by as much 20hp!  just remember to do one thing at a
time, tune it for max power, and then go on to the next step.  For any
questions just give us a callback.

[ Yeah a good quality tune up and high power spark helps.  A tranny
cooler saves your tranny, and might help to-the-pavement power due
to cooler, lower "slip".   K&N is good at the races.  There have been
plenty of discussions about K&N filtering; it is not as good as one
might hope.  --FEP ]

                    BOKKENEYE@AOL.COM

From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun  9 12:31:31 1995
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Subject: A/C technician's license test
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[ Somehow these two, independent messages got stuck together.  
Sorry about that.  --FEP ]

  I just plunked down the twenty bucks to MACS for the technician's
certification.  Having had no formal training in HVAC, I'm sort of
wondering what I can expect in this puppy.

  Has anyone on the list taken the test, and if so, how would you
gauge the level of difficulty?

  Ron "Gotta Buy A New Frickin' Set Of Gauges" Rader

   --------------------------------------------------------
Frank,

I know you where looking for the info - guess what.

Car Craft may actually have some good facts in it.  Wednesday I
received Car Craft (probablyu July issue).  In the tech section there
is a listing of 12 bolt rear axle applications.  More importantly it
list the dimensions.

I don't have the magazine with me - morning brain fade - but basically
it comes down to this:

The 65-67 A-bodies have a rear that is 1" narrower flange to flange
compared to the 68-72 ones.  However the Camaro-Firebird rears have an
identical width - just the mounts are all wrong.

So the easy bolt-in would be an early A-body.  The more difficult would
be the Camaro/Firebird route.  Personally I think I'd look at the later
A-bodies and see what an extra 1/2" on each side will cost or gain.

Checking the local want ads - seems $450 is the going price for a 12
bolt rear used.

Dirk


From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun  9 12:31:58 1995
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X-From: Steve=Ravet%Prj=Eng%PCPD=Hou@bangate.compaq.com

| On May 8, 11:53am, Hotrod List wrote:
| > Subject: A/C license
| > OK, if there's anyone still interested in the A/C technician 
| thing, here's
| the
| > details.  A letter and a check for $20 to MACS (Mobile Air 
| Conditioning
| > Service) will net you a 30 question test that you can study for 
| at home, send
| > back in, and hey presto you are a certified to work on mobile 
| A/C systems.
| > And purchase freon, too.  I think the test mostly covers EPA 
| regulations,
| > with little or no A/C topics.  The address and phone number are:
| >
| > MACS
| > PO Box 100
| > East Greenville, Pennsylvania 18041
| >
| > 215 679 2220
| > Oh yeah, someone mentioned that there was a "buyers license" 
| that would allow
| > you to purchase freon, without actually getting a technicians 
| license.  I
| > haven't been able to find out anything about that.
| >
| > --steve
| >-- End of excerpt from Hotrod List

Hotrod List  Wrote:
| 
| 
| Even if you've got the license, don't you still have to be able to prove
| that you are using what you buy in an approved (i.e., recovery) charging
| station?
| 
| -Ken
| 
| 

Not to buy.  All you need is the MACS "green card."  The question is
whether you are required to use certified equipment when working on
your own car.  I'm trying to get an answer from an EPA guy.  Section
609 of the clean air act is what specifies that persons doing A/C
service must be certified, must be using certifed and registered
recovery machines, etc.

Thing is, there is a clause in section 609 that says that anyone doing
A/C service for free is exempt from the requirements of section 609.
This is the "service for consideration" clause.  This means that you
don't have to be a certified technician to work on your own car.  It
seems like it would also mean that you don't have to be using certified
equipment either.  But I'm not sure.

I've written a FAQ about freon, alternatives, and EPA regulations that
has been posted to rec.autos.tech for comments.  I'm fixing some
initial errors, and waiting for answers to this and other questions.
When it's good I'll be posting it again to r.a.t, and here and the
vette list.

[ I will put this in the hotrod_ftpmail server, with the gasoline and
oil and vendor FAQ.  --FEP ]

--steve
sravet@bangate.compaq.com

From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun  9 12:32:20 1995
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X-From: Tony Johnson 

> Ok. Not only am I FEMALE, but I get easily baffled by all of the  jergon
> you guys toss around in your interesting letters.  What I wanna know
> is...
> 
> What are some common ways to get more power, and NOT get two miles to
> the gallon!!  I have a 79 Camaro with a 350...four barrel...and
> whenever someone pulls up next to me and acts like they wanna race, I
> wish I could!! But the power just is NOT there!  I'm sure I have a
> stock cam and all that...don's even ask about rear-ends...I have NO
> idea! All I know is I do NOT have Positraction.  And also...Next time  I
> need a muffler, I want to get something to bring out the PURR from my
> engine.  Do I start with hedders or can a different type of muffler
> take care of that all alone??  Help! I talk with my mechanic, but  even
> he is sometimes not a big help on matters of upgrading like this.
> 
>  Thanks!!                             LISA
> [  Free flowing exhaust, cam and intake will radically wake 
> up a 350 4bbl.  You will have emissions headaches doing this,
> unless you work hard.  Do you car about emissions?  How much money
> can you spend?
> Exhaust is a good thing to start with.  Save your paychecks
> and get a set of Doug Thorley headers.  I think your car has
> a 2.5" dual system avialable from Flowmaster.  
> Your car will Purr with this combo, and at Wide Open Trottle, it
> will positivly Growl.  There are other, less expensive options,
> too.  --FEP ]

The headers and exhaust are good ideas, though they will decrease your
mileage (your foot will spend more time pressed to the floor...).  One
of the best things you could do for mileage would be to swap your
transmission for a 700R4 (preferably '87 or newer). This transmission
will increase your mileage from (I'm guessing...) 12-15 mpg to closer
to 20!  On the highway, you'll probably do better than that.  Then you
can drop in a taller rearend gear (3.73, 411...) and the dogs will
really begin to bark.  O'course you're gonna have to get some tires and
traction stuff to get it all in motion...

Later, TJ.
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From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun  9 12:33:04 1995
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Subject: Re: More power
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X-From: Dirk Broer 

Lisa,

>Ok. Not only am I FEMALE, but I get easily baffled by all of the jergon
>you guys toss around in your interesting letters.  What I wanna know
>is...

Apology excepted 

>What are some common ways to get more power, and NOT get two miles to
>the gallon!!  I have a 79 Camaro with a 350...four barrel...and

To make more power you must do one of the following
1) Make the engine more efficient 
 - not easy to get large gains - kind of inch up on it.
 - won't burn more fuel.
2) Bigger engine
- the more air you can suck in the more fuel you can burn and 
the more power you can make.
- you will burn more fuel.
3) Higher reving engine 
- specifically I mean rasing the rpm range of your power.
- this gets expensive 
- you'll need to change gears, torque converter etc.
- you'll have to find a compromise between low rpm around town power and high 
rpm racing power - its tough to get both.
- you'll burn more gas.


>[  Free flowing exhaust, cam and intake will radically wake 
>up a 350 4bbl.  You will have emissions headaches doing this,
>unless you work hard.  Do you car about emissions?  How much money
>can you spend?
>
>Exhaust is a good thing to start with.  Save your paychecks
>and get a set of Doug Thorley headers.  I think your car has
>a 2.5" dual system avialable from Flowmaster.  

I second that.  - good headers will add to efficiency, unless you plan
on changing to a different engine the exhaust will benefit all future
modifications.  A true dual exhaust, with dual catalytic conveters is
prefered.  2.5" is popular but 2.25" will do the job.  This will
definitly add sound to the car.  A good muffler shop should be able to
aid in installation.  Personally I would rather trust a shop that
specializes in high performance.  Around here some speed shops have
installation capabilities.  They'll be able to order the right parts
and install them without any hassles.  Shops that specialize in "stock"
cars don't always have the experience you want - you'll be hoping that
the mechanic knows what he's doing.  Call around to some of the speed
shops and maybe even some of the racecar fabrication shops for
recommendations.

Headers can be had for less than $100.  I suspect installation, with
dual cats and dual mufflers could set you back $500 or more.

I think Summit (216)630-0200 sells a complete dual exhaust system
without catalytic converters, made from stainless steel.  Have whoever
will do the installation confirm the pricing and availability.  The
Catalytic converters can be added to this kit.

IMHO the next step should be the drivetrain.  The big problem is the
car is relatively heavy, and the gear ratio is relatively tall.  Kinda
like starting out a 10-spd bike in top gear.  Have a
driveline/transmission shop (again go to a performance oriented one)
and have the combination evaluated.  A final drive ratio of 3.27:1 and
a looser torque converter will really get things moving.  Go
conservatice on the torque converter.  A stall speed of 2200 rpm should
be plenty and not hurt gas milage.  You will notice the engine reving
higher at highway speeds.  This may be annoying - esp with the new
louder exhaust.  Given a choice, I would pick the dual exhaust on the
basis of quiteness - just to help eliminate the highway drone.

Expect about $200 for the torque converter - I don't know about
installation.  For changing the gears - it'll be right around $500.
You would probably want to add some kind of posi traction.  The cheap
way is "lok right" or something like that.  I believe Frank is giving
it a try.

You will have to double check emission laws.  Changing the number of
catalytic converters is frowned apon.  Although I just read an article
where they changed the mustang 5.0's 4 cats to 2... legally (49
states).

next step is the engine:
A mild performance camshaft (which will be alot more than stock)
- comp cams makes the 268 cam.  about the same gas milage (they claim) and 
definitly an increase in performance.
A mild dual plane intake - with all the emission connections
A emission legal holley carb.

The carb and intake manifold are not absolutly necessary - but to
install the cam you have to remove the old.  Might be a good time to
replace them.

As you increase your power you will soon find the limits of the chassis
of the car.  Just post and we'll try to suggest fixes for that as
well.

Dirk


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Hi all,

I'm afraid this issue does not contain a lot of info. on the regional
networks, so you may want to check your local listings for that.  Other
than that it shouldn't be too bad.  I hope you all have a couple extra
vcr's for Sunday ;-)

Cheers - Bill
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Prelude au Grand Prix de Monreal      06/09    7:00-7:30PM      CBCF
Raceline                              06/09    7:30-8:00PM      HTS
AMA SUPERBIKES, MID-OHIO (T)          06/09    9:30-11:00PM     MSG
DW's Racing Weekly                    06/09    11:00-11:30PM    FAM
SpeedWeek                             06/10    12:30-1:00AM     ESPN
BARBER PRO, LIME ROCK (T)             06/10    1:00-1:30AM      ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, LOUISVILLE (T)    06/10    3:00-4:30AM      ESPN
IMSA SUPERCAR, LONG BEACH (T)         06/10    4:30-5:00AM      ESPN
SpeedWeek                             06/10    6:00-6:30AM      ESPN
MotoWorld                             06/10    7:00-7:30AM      ESPN2
NHRA, VIRGINIA NATIONALS, DINWIDDIE(T)06/10    9:00-10:30AM     TNN
MotorWeek                             06/10    10:00-10:30AM    WGN
Trucks & Tractor Power                06/10    10:30-11:00AM    TNN
Raceline                              06/10    10:30-11:00AM    HTS
NASCAR Today                          06/10    11:00-11:30AM    ESPN
DW's Racing Weekly                    06/10   11:30AM-12:00PM   FAM
AMA SUPERCROSS, ORLANDO (T)           06/10    12:00-1:00PM     ESPN2
ARCA, POCONO 150 (L)                  06/10    1:00-3:00PM      TNN
GRAND PRIX DE MONTREAL, QUALIFYING (T)06/10    1:00-2:30PM      CBCF
MOTORCYCLE GRAND PRIX, OZ (T)         06/10    1:00-2:00PM      ESPN2
TOYOTA CELEBRITY, LONG BEACH (T)      06/10    2:30-3:00PM      ESPN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, SPAIN (T)           06/10    3:00-3:30PM      ESPN
Truckin' USA w/Ed Bruce               06/10    3:00-3:30PM      TNN
NHRA Today w/Steve Evans              06/10    4:00-4:30PM      TNN
Inside Winston Cup w/Ned Jarrett      06/10    4:30-5:00PM      TNN
BUSCH GN, MYRTLE BEACH (L)            06/10    5:00-7:00PM      TNN
BARBER PRO, MIAMI (T)                 06/10    5:00-5:30PM      ESPN2
MotorWeek                             06/10    5:00-5:30PM      MPT
BARBER PRO, SEBRING (T)               06/10    5:30-6:00PM      ESPN2
The Power & The Glory (mid-engine cars06/10    6:30-7:00PM      HIST
SUPER CHEVY SERIES, MEMPHIS (T)       06/10    7:30-8:00PM      ESPN2
ESPN2 LIGHTNING, IRP  (L)             06/10    8:00-10:00PM     ESPN2
FORMULA CUP, BIRMINGHAM (T)           06/10    8:00-9:00PM      SCNY
ASA, ODESSA, MO (L)                   06/10    9:00-11:30PM     HTS,
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ASA, ODESSA, MO (L)                   06/10    10:00-11:30PM    PSN2
AMA MOTOCROSS, MT. MORRIS (T)         06/10    10:00-11:00PM    ESPN2
MOTORCYCLE GRAND PRIX, GERMANY (T)    06/10   11:00PM-12:00AM   ESPN2
This Week In Motor Sports             06/11    2:00-2:30AM      WGN
MotoWorld                             06/11    2:30-3:00AM      ESPN
AMA 125CC MOTOCROSS (T)               06/11    9:00-10:00AM     ESPN2
Shadetree Mechanic                    06/11    9:00-9:30AM      TNN
The Best Of Shadetree Mechanic        06/11    9:30-10:00AM     TNN
MOTORCYCLE GRAND PRIX, GERMANY (T)    06/11    10:00-11:00AM    ESPN2
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (NHRA funny cars)06/11    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
NHRA Today w/Steve Evans              06/11    10:30-11:00AM    TNN
Inside Winston Cup w/Ned Jarrett      06/11    11:00-11:30AM    TNN
Inside Drag Racing                    06/11    11:00-11:30AM    ESPN2
RaceDay w/Rick Benjamin (L)           06/11   11:30AM-12:00PM   TNN
In The Driver's Seat                  06/11    12:00-12:30PM    ESPN2
NASCAR Today Pre-Race                 06/11    12:30-1:00PM     ESPN2
WINSTON CUP, POCONO (L)               06/11    1:00-5:00PM      TNN
AMA SUPERCROSS (T)                    06/11    1:00-2:00PM      ESPN2
FORMULA 1, MONTREAL, CANADA (L)       06/11    1:30-4:00PM      CBC
INDYCAR, DETROIT (L)                  06/11    2:00-4:30PM      TSN
MotoWorld                             06/11    2:00-2:30PM      ESPN2
INDYCAR, DETROIT (L)                  06/11    2:30-5:00PM      ABC
IHRA WINTERNATIONALS (T)              06/11    2:30-3:30PM      ESPN2
1994 Auto Racing Thrills & Spills     06/11    3:30-4:00PM      ESPN2
INDY LIGHTS, LONG BEACH (T)           06/11    4:00-4:30PM      ESPN
BRIDGESTONE SUPERCAR, LIME ROCK (T)   06/11    4:30-5:00PM      ESPN
FORMULA 1, MONTREAL, CANADA (SD)      06/11    5:00-7:00PM      ESPN
IROC #2, DARLINGTON (T)               06/11    5:00-6:00PM      ABC
MotoWorld                             06/11    5:00-5:30PM      ESPN2
SCCA TRANS AM, DETROIT (T)            06/11    5:30-7:30PM      HTS
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (NHRA funny cars)06/11    6:00-6:30PM      TNN
NHRA Today w/Steve Evans              06/11    6:30-7:00PM      TNN
Truckin' USA w/Ed Bruce               06/11    7:00-7:30PM      TNN
RaceDay w/Rick Benjamin (L)           06/11    7:30-8:00PM      TNN
Road Test Magazine w/Don Garlits      06/11    11:00-11:30PM    TNN
Truckin' USA w/Ed Bruce               06/11   11:30PM-12:00AM   TNN
FORMULA 1, MONTREAL, CANADA (SD)      06/11   11:30PM-2:00AM    CBCE
RaceDay Update w/Rick Benjamin (L)    06/12    12:00-12:05AM    TNN
NHRA, VIRGINIA NATIONALS, DINWIDDIE(T)06/12    12:05-1:30AM     TNN
ESPN2 LIGHTNING, IRP (T)              06/12    1:00-3:00AM      ESPN2
Trucks & Tractor Power                06/12    1:30-2:00AM      TNN
FORMULA 1, MONTREAL, CANADA (SD)      06/12    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
Monster Trucks                        06/12    3:00-4:00AM      ESPN2
MotorWeek                             06/12    5:00-5:30AM      WGN
INDYCAR, DETROIT (T)                  06/12    12:30-3:00PM     TSN
INDYCAR, DETROIT (T)                  06/12    1:00-3:30PM      ESPN
MotoWorld                             06/12    5:00-5:30PM      ESPN
FORMULA 1, MONTREAL, CANADA (T)       06/13    12:30-2:30AM     ESPN
Monster Trucks                        06/13    3:00-4:00AM      ESPN2
IHRA, BUDD'S CREEK (T)                06/14    1:00-2:00PM      ESPN
This Week In NASCAR w/Eli Gold (L)    06/15    8:00-9:00PM      PSN
                                        and several Prime affiliates
ASA, AUBURN, MI (?)                   06/16    tba              tba
SpeedWeek                             06/17    12:30-1:00AM     ESPN
SpeedWeek                             06/17    6:00-6:30AM      ESPN

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ASA, GRAND RAPIDS, MI (?)             06/17    tba              PSN
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, LIME ROCK (T)      06/17    6:30PM           ESPN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Sawyer & Moise) 06/18    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
WINSTON CUP, MICHIGAN (L)             06/18    1:00PM           CBS
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Sawyer & Moise) 06/18    2:30-3:00PM      TNN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, BRISTOL (?)       06/23    tba              tba
Win! w/Rusty Wallace(Earnhardt's kids)06/24    3:30-4:00PM      TNN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace(Earnhardt's kids)06/25    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
BUSCH GN, WATKINS GLEN (L)            06/25    2:00-4:00PM      TNN
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (L)                 06/25    3:30-6:30PM      TSN
ASA, BRAINERD, MN (L)                 06/25    4:00-6:30PM      TNN
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (L)                 06/25    4:00-6:30PM      ESPN
NHRA, SPRINGNATIONALS, COLUMBUS (T)   06/25    5:00PM           ABC
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (T)                 06/26    8:30-11:00AM     TSN
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (T)                 06/28    1:30-4:00PM      ESPN
WINSTON CUP, DAYTONA (L)              07/01    11:00AM          ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, MILWAUKEE (?)     07/01    tba              tba
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, SAN MARINO (T)      07/01    3:00-3:30PM      ESPN2
ASA, HAWKEYE DOWNS, CEDAR RAPIDS (L)  07/01   10:00PM-12:00AM   TNN
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (L)    07/02    7:30-10:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (L)    07/02    7:50-10:00AM     ESPN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (AMA Supercross) 07/02    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
BUSCH GN, MILWAUKEE (L)               07/02    2:00-5:00PM      TNN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (AMA Supercross) 07/02    5:00-5:30PM      TNN
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (SD)   07/02    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (T)    07/03    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (SD)   07/03    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, SPAIN (T)           07/08    12:30-1:00PM     ESPN2
BUSCH NORTH, LOUDON (L)               07/08    1:00-4:00PM      TNN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (small tracks)   07/09    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
WINSTON CUP, LOUDON (L)               07/09    1:00-5:00PM      TNN
INDYCAR, ELKHART LAKE (L)             07/09    1:30-4:00PM      TSN
INDYCAR, ELKART LAKE (L)              07/09    2:00-4:30PM      ESPN
ASA, SALEM, IN (?)                    07/09    tba              PSN
NHRA, NATIONALS, TOPEKA (T)           07/09    5:00PM           ABC
INDYCAR, ELKHART LAKE (T)             07/10    8:30-11:00AM     TSN
INDYCAR, ELKART LAKE (T)              07/10    3:00-5:30PM      ESPN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, MONACO (T)          07/11    12:30-1:00AM     ESPN
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, WATKINS GLEN (T)   07/15    1:00PM           ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, ERIE, CO (?)      07/15    tba              tba
INDYCAR, QUALIFYING, TORONTO,CANADA(L)07/15    5:00-6:00PM      CBC
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, MONACO (T)          07/15    5:00-5:30PM      ESPN2
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (L)  07/16    8:30-11:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (L)  07/16    8:50-11:00AM     ESPN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Humpy Wheeler)  07/16    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
WINSTON CUP, POCONO (L)               07/16    1:00PM           TBS
INDYCAR, TORONTO (L)                  07/16    1:30-3:30PM      ABC
INDYCAR, TORONTO, CANADA (L)          07/16    1:30-4:00PM      CBC
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Humpy Wheeler)  07/16    2:30-3:00PM      TNN
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (SD) 07/16    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (T)  07/17    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (SD) 07/17    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
INDYCAR, TORONTO (T)                  07/17    1:00-3:00PM      ESPN
BUSCH GN, TALLADEGA (L)               07/22    2:00-4:30PM      TNN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, FRANCE (T)          07/22    3:00-3:30PM      ESPN2
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Indy rookies)   07/23    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
WINSTON CUP, TALLADEGA (L)            07/23    1:15PM           CBS
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Indy rookies)   07/23    2:30-3:00PM      TNN
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (L)                07/23    3:00-5:00PM      ABC
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (SD)               07/23    8:30-11:00PM     TSN
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (T)                07/24    12:30-3:00PM     TSN
NHRA, MILE HIGH NATIONALS, DENVER (T) 07/24    7:30PM           ESPN
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (T)                07/25    3:00-5:00PM      ESPN
IMSA, SEARS POINT (T)                 07/27    5:00-6:00PM      ESPN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, GREAT BRITAIN (T)   07/29    1:00-1:30PM      ESPN2
IROC #4, MICHIGAN                     07/29 (live coverage is unlikely)
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, TOPEKA (L)        07/29    3:00-5:00PM      TNN
BUSCH GN, SOUTH BOSTON (L)            07/29    5:00-7:00PM      TNN
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, ELKART LAKE (T)    07/29    5:30PM           ESPN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY (L)    07/30    7:30-10:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY (L)    07/30    7:50-10:00AM     ESPN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Safety Safari)  07/30    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (L)                 07/30    11:30-3:30PM     TSN
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (L)                 07/30    2:30-6:00PM      ABC
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Safety Safari)  07/30    2:30-3:00PM      TNN
ASA, HEARTLAND PARK, TOPEKA (L)       07/30    3:00PM           TNN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, FRANCE (T)          07/30    6:30-7:00PM      ESPN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY  (SD)  07/30    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY  (T)   07/31    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY  (SD)  07/31    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (T)                 07/31    12:30-4:00PM     TSN
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (T)                 07/31    1:00-4:30PM      ESPN
NHRA, CALIFORNIA NATIONALS, SONOMA (T)07/31    7:30PM           ESPN
IMSA, PORTLAND (T)                    08/03    1:00-2:00PM      ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, INDIANAPOLIS (?)  08/03    tba              tba
BUSCH GN, INDIANAPOLIS (?)            08/04    tba              tba
BRICKYARD 400 (L)                     08/05    12:00PM          ABC
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, ELKART LAKE (T)    08/06    3:30PM           ESPN
NHRA, NORTHWEST NATIONALS, SEATTLE (T)08/07    8:30PM           ESPN
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, SEARS POINT (T)    08/12    2:00AM           ESPN
FORMULA 1, BUDAPEST, HUNGARY (L)      08/13    7:30-10:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BUDAPEST, HUNGARY (L)      08/13    7:50-10:00AM     ESPN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, GERMANY (T)         08/13    12:00-12:30PM    ESPN2
WINSTON CUP, WATKINS GLEN (L)         08/13    1:00PM           ESPN
INDYCAR, LEXINGTON, OH (L)            08/13    2:30-5:00PM      TSN
INDYCAR, LEXINGTON, OH (L)            08/13    3:00-5:00PM      ABC
FORMULA 1, BUDAPEST, HUNGARY (SD)     08/13    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, BUDAPEST, HUNGARY (T)      08/14    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BUDAPEST, HUNGARY (SD)     08/14    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
INDYCAR, LEXINGTON, OH (T)            08/14    4:00-6:00PM      ESPN
INDYCAR, LEXINGTON, OH (T)            08/15    12:30-3:00PM     TSN


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From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun  9 19:45:31 1995
From: Hotrod List 
To: Hotrod_users@dsea.com
Subject: "More Power" replies...THANK YOU!
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X-From: Stickyroll@aol.com

Thanks so much, guys, for all of the great mail on gettin' my 79 to
MOVE!  I printed all repilies, and plan to take them over to my
mechanics to see what he thinks...he's a great guy, too! Hopefully he
will be able to tell me which of the suggestions would work for my
car...and it IS a daily driver!  Once again, I really appreciate your
answers..and even in simplified wording!! how nice!!

I'll keep ya posted on the progress...

    LISA

From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun  9 19:45:39 1995
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TJ writes about improving performance and mileage of a stock car:

>The headers and exhaust are good ideas, though they will decrease your
>mileage (your foot will spend more time pressed to the floor...).

I converted a small block Chevy car from factory single exhaust to
duals with headers, and found a 12% increase in mileage and a 10%
increase in power.  This seems to be typical of what can be expected.

If you can, use a crossover pipe in the exhaust system, it makes
the system more efficient for almost no extra cost (I didn't use
one because there wasn't any place that I could have put it without
losing ground clearance.).

>  One
>of the best things you could do for mileage would be to swap your
>transmission for a 700R4 (preferably '87 or newer). This transmission
>will increase your mileage from (I'm guessing...) 12-15 mpg to closer
>to 20!  On the highway, you'll probably do better than that.

The later, the better.  Early T700s had a lot of problems but they
have been pretty much ironed out now.  However, if you are intending
to make substantially more power than stock, get the transmission
beefed up by a shop that knows what they are doing.

>  Then you
>can drop in a taller rearend gear (3.73, 411...) and the dogs will
>really begin to bark.

Gears will decrease gas mileage and increase noise, unless you also
go to an overdrive transmission.

>  O'course you're gonna have to get some tires and
>traction stuff to get it all in motion...

True if you expect to use the full power from a standing start.
However, street tires are usually OK for rolling starts (unless
you have a really strong engine).

Some other thoughts:

In order of return per dollar, I rank the following:

1. Nitrous oxide.  If your engine, trans, and rear end are strong
enough to take the power, this one change will give you an enormous
performance boost.  Drawback is that it only lasts about 60 seconds
per bottle, and then you need a refill.

2. Free flowing exhaust.  As mentioned above, this makes a big
improvement and isn't very expensive in most cars.

3. Camshaft.  This is about equal to free flowing exhaust in terms
of HP/$, but it is a lot more work if you do it yourself.  You can
gain a lot more power than 10% with a camshaft, but you can also
lose emissions performance, gas mileage, and driveability.

4. Turbocharger or supercharger.  Really big $ and really big
potential power increase.  The supercharger will have better
throttle response, but may not fit under the hood.  For a V engine
with turbochargers, you really need 2 to make it work well.

Of course, the above can be combined and the benefits accumulate.
Note that changing the carburetor or intake manifold isn't on the
list - these are fairly easy changes but the gain is usually
insignificant until after you have done other major things to
the engine.  Likewise, air filters, fan pulleys, and other odds
and ends are of little value with a near-stock engine.

Bob Hale   hale@brooktree.com

[ Good list Bob.  I have one other point.  Way down there on the HP/$
list is going for an EFI swap.  But, this makes for smooth easy
driving, better mileage, and good emissions.  I am saving my pennies.
I hope to do it later this summer.  --FEP ]


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I'm in the early - EARLY - stages of building a '66 Mustang.  The car
had the original I-6, but I am swapping for a warmed-over 302.  While
the list of questions I could (and eventually will) ask is virtually
endless, here's the first...

I want to put discs up front instead of the factory drums.  I've heard
that Fairmont/Monarch spindles will swap straight-in - can anybody
confirm or deny?  Any suggestions would be welcomed.

     -Dan

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FEP Per Ignitor Ignition conversion . . . Specs 30 to 35,000 volts
Can be used as a "high energy sytem" with 35,000 volts and 120
millijoules of energy.  RPM range of 0 to 6,000 with standard coil and
0 to 15,000RPM with heavy duty coil such as Motorcraft #DG313A Has rise
time of 25 micro seconds.  air gap not critical .010 to .075".
Temperature opertating range of -50 to 300F operating voltage 6 V to 16
V DC Neg Ground.  Unit has magnetic sleeve that pushes on over existing
cam and a new "module" that replaces "everything inside the dist.

Sounds too good to be true . . .  but I really think it is and I want
to know if any body out there has had a chance to try one and for how
long. 

Thanks, Charlie Y., Secrets Magazine editor  CY4FN@AOL. COM


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Alright Lisa, I know I'm going to get lots of flak for suggesting this
but I recommend  checking what ratio rear you have in your Camaro. At
your next oil change, go to the cover on your rear axle. Under one of
the bolts will be an aluminum tag. By this time it will be pretty
cruddy so clean it and see the numbers embossed on the tag. Ratio
numbers are something like 3.08 or 2.56 etc. these were common original
equipment ratios from Chevy at that time.  Basically the game here is:
the lower the number, the more sluggish off the line acceleration will
be. The higher the number the more aggressive the acceleration will be.
There is a downside of course, higher numbers mean that your engine
will be turning much faster at 55 (you do 55 occaisionally, don't you?)
other hotrodders will tell you that this also means more noise,
especially with a performance exhaust system.  It has been my
experience that a "compromise" ratio is around 3.50 or 3.70 gives you
good performance and livable RPM on the highway.  Chevy must agree
because back in the muscle car days these were standard ratios for
Z-28, SS etc.

Finally you might consider this, any modifications to your engine will
not really come alive until you have the right rear end ratio anyway,
so sooner or later you will get around to this. It's not something you
can "show off" like something in the engine compartment, but it will
compliment even the stock engine in your Camaro.


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Hotrod List  Wrote:

|   I just plunked down the twenty bucks to MACS for the 
| technician's
| certification.  Having had no formal training in HVAC, I'm sort of
| wondering what I can expect in this puppy.
| 
|   Has anyone on the list taken the test, and if so, how would you
| gauge the level of difficulty?
| 
|   Ron "Gotta Buy A New Frickin' Set Of Gauges" Rader
| 

Ron -- having taken this test a few weeks ago (haven't gotten the
license yet, though), a few words spring to mind concerning it:

trivial
easy
stupid waste of time

It comes with a booklet that contains all the answers if you look them
up.  The questions strictly concern EPA regulations and SAE
guidelines.  Here are samples that I remember:

After servicing an R-12 A/C system, the refrigerant that is left in the
service lines should be handled in what fashion:

a)  dispose of in the trash
b)  vent to the atmosphere
c)  mix with R-134a and recycle
d)  recovered using apporoved equipment

It's that stupid, err, easy.

--steve

[  Not sure what happened here, text-wise.  --FEP ]

, and 2) pulls at least 104 mm vacuum.  Containers holding recycled
freon must meet DOT 4BA specs.  The tank on your propane grill meets
this requirement.

That is straight from the EPA.  My calculator tells me that 104 mm of
vacuum is about 5 inches, so that's probably a misprint.  Point is, as
long as you can pull a strong vacuum and put everything in a can,
you're OK.  Supposedly there are places around where you can drop off
these cans for recycling, haven't checked on that yet.

--steve


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George Goble recently posted a message on do it yourself AC to
rec.autos.tech.  The summary is that just about anything you might want
to do is illegal. :-(

My comments: Look at the last section of his message, containing the
wording of the law.  The law gives the "Administrator" the right to
(among other things) decide what refrigerant can go in air
conditioners.  It doesn't just ban freon, it also sets up a bureaucracy
to decide which alternatives are "acceptable", and it gives the
bureaucrats only the vaguest criteria to use to decide: an alternative
"must reduce overall risks to human health and the environment".  Since
"risks...to the environment" has no precise definition but rather means
anything that environmentalists might choose it to mean (preservation
of the snail darter for instance), this is a recipe for trouble.

This law is also a landmine for anybody who has a brain in his skull.
Suppose I do something with compressed air, that somebody once did with
freon.  Since I am then using an "alternative" for a "Class 1 or Class
2 substance", I am technically in violation of the law, even though I
never knew that anyone had used freon to accomplish this task.

But maybe this particular example is wrong.  Maybe compressed air has
in fact been "identified" by the "Administrator" as an "acceptable
alternative".  I suppose I should look at this list before I ever do
anything technical.  Maybe I should pray to it as well.

Here are the details:
  -------------------------------------------------------------------

:From: ghg@cidmac.ecn.purdue.edu (George Goble)
:Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
:Subject: DIY refrigerants/FAQs for automotive A/C
:Date: 6 Jun 1995 13:51:51 GMT
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:Keywords: refrigerant A/C R-406A OZ-12 venting

There has been quite a bit of ruckus in this group in the last week or
so about DIY refrigerants, and DIYers doing their own A/C service,
using any refrigerant, or blend they please, venting, etc.. (the "for
consideration" loophole).

Reportedly, someone called the ozone hotline (1-800-296-1996) and was
told it was "OK" to do all of this. (under section 609 of the clean air
act)

Talking to EPA people and reading section 612 of the clean air
act..prohibits most of this.. section 612 makes it unlawful to use
substitutes which are not on the list of "EPA acceptable" for the use
intended.. Certain "exemptions" are allowed, like if a substance has
been filed for EPA SNAP approval, has waited 90 days after filing, it
can be sold.. The EPA will then act on it, either listing it as
"acceptable" or "unacceptable".  Once listed unacceptable, the further
sale must stop.

A DIYer can get mobile cert (probably from MACS), can only use SNAP
acceptable (or in approval process) (for automotive) refrigerants,
which currently are

MP-52 (R-401c, R124/R152a/R22 blend), Dupont, not marketed in the US.
FRIGC (R124/R134a/butane blend), Intermagnetics General

some hydrocarbon blends (HC-12a?), in "in process" and legal at the
moment, but rumored to be soon to be "unacceptable"

(if I got this list wrong, I am sure Jeff Levy will correct me)
---------
A number of other refrigerants, such as R-406A, FX-56, etc have been
found to be EPA acceptable and approved for sectors other than
automotive (stationary and transport refrigeration).  Using these
refrigerants (in a car in the US) is illegal (they may be legal in some
countries outside the US).  This can get you a $25,000 fine and an upto
$10,000 reward to the guy who turns you in.., this applies to DIY'ers
also!  The often posted (and used with good results by many on the net)
of 79% propane and 21% isobutane, which I posted to the net in 1990 IS
NOT LEGAL in the US anymore..  This was one of the refrigerants I made
up before inventing R-406A.

----- section 612, clean air act. look at paragraph (c)
   SEC. 612. SAFE ALTERNATIVES POLICY.

        (a) Policy._To the maximum extent  practicable,  class  I
and  class  II substances shall be replaced by chemicals, product
substitutes, or alternative manufacturing processes  that  reduce
overall risks to human health and the environment.

        (b) Reviews and Reports._The Administrator shall_

        (1) in  consultation  and  coordination  with  interested
members  of the public and the heads of relevant Federal agencies
and departments, recommend Federal research  programs  and  other
activities  to  assist  in identifying alternatives to the use of
class I and class II substances as refrigerants,  solvents,  fire
retardants,   foam   blowing   agents,   and   other   commercial
applications and in achieving a transition to such  alternatives,
and,  where  appropriate,  seek  to  maximize  the use of Federal
research facilities and resources to assist users of class I  and
class II substances in identifying and developing alternatives to
the use  of  such  substances  as  refrigerants,  solvents,  fire
retardants,   foam   blowing   agents,   and   other   commercial
applications;

        (2) examine in consultation  and  coordination  with  the
Secretary  of  Defense  and  the  heads of other relevant Federal
agencies  and  departments,  including   the   General   Services
Administration,  Federal  procurement  practices  with respect to
class I and class II substances and recommend measures to promote
the  transition  by  the  Federal Government, as expeditiously as
possible, to the use of safe substitutes;

        (3)   specify    initiatives,    including    appropriate
intergovernmental,  international, and commercial information and
technology transfers, to promote the development and use of  safe
substitutes  for  class  I  and  class  II  substances, including
alternative  chemicals,  product  substitutes,  and   alternative
manufacturing processes; and

        (4)  maintain  a  public  clearinghouse  of   alternative
chemicals,  product  substitutes,  and  alternative manufacturing
processes that  are  available  for  products  and  manufacturing
processes which use class I and class II substances.

        (c) Alternatives for Class I or II Substances._Within   2
years  after  enactment  of the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990,
the Administrator  shall  promulgate  rules  under  this  section
providing  that  it  shall  be unlawful to replace any class I or
class II  substance  with  any  substitute  substance  which  the
Administrator  determines  may  present  adverse effects to human
health or the environment, where the Administrator has identified
an alternative to such replacement that_

        (1) reduces the overall risk  to  human  health  and  the
environment; and

        (2) is currently or potentially available.

The Administrator shall publish a list  of  (A)  the  substitutes
prohibited  under  this  subsection for specific uses and (B) the
safe alternatives identified under this subsection  for  specific
uses.

        (d)  Right  To  Petition._Any  person  may  petition  the
Administrator  to  add  a substance to the lists under subsection
(c) or to remove a substance  from  either  of  such  lists.  The
Administrator  shall  grant  or  deny the petition within 90 days
after receipt of any such petition. If the  Administrator  denies
the  petition,  the Administrator shall publish an explanation of
why the petition was denied. If  the  Administrator  grants  such
petition the Administrator shall publish such revised list within
6 months thereafter. Any petition  under  this  subsection  shall
include  a  showing  by the petitioner that there are data on the
substance adequate to support the petition. If the  Administrator
determines that information on the substance is not sufficient to
make a determination under  this  subsection,  the  Administrator
shall use any authority available to the Administrator, under any
law  administered  by  the   Administrator,   to   acquire   such
information.

        (e) Studies  and  Notification._The  Administrator  shall
require any person who produces a chemical substitute for a class
I substance to  provide  the  Administrator  with  such  person's
unpublished  health  and  safety  studies  on such substitute and
require producers to notify the Administrator not  less  than  90
days  before  new  or  existing  chemicals  are  introduced  into
interstate commerce for significant new uses as substitutes for a
class  I  substance.  This subsection shall be subject to section
114(c).

--ghg
http://ghg.ecn.purdue.edu



From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 15 13:54:51 1995
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I've seen some neat hot rods that use late model corvette rear end setup, 
with coil-overs in place of the leaf spring and factory shocks;

What I wondering is: why I don't seem to see any that use the front 
suspension? lots of aluminum, big brakes, and the crossmember (appears) to 
come off as a complete unit;

In the magazines there are lots of mustang II front ends, with many 
variations, including chevy bolt patterns and corvette brakes; but why not 
use the whole setup? do the wreckers want too much $?

Any insights?

DaveH

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> Try a 12 bolt out of a Olds Vista Cruiser Wagon (through 72) they are
> always 12 bolts and usually Posi, and will bolt right in your car.

   True, but a few notes:

	1.  If it's a REAL Olds rear, it is a "dummy" 12 bolt - Olds 12 
bolt cover with 10 bolt guts.  8^)

	2.  The B-body (full size) cars have a bigger bolt pattern on 
the wheels, like 5x5 vs. 5x4.75

	3.  Many B-bodies used driveshafts with double-cardian joints,
meaning your driveshaft won't bolt right up...

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--  
            "Hard Acceleration Saves Costly Aggravation"

From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 15 13:56:37 1995
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In reply to my list of $/HP improvements, Frank writes:

>[ Good list Bob.  I have one other point.  Way down there on the HP/$
>list is going for an EFI swap.  But, this makes for smooth easy
>driving, better mileage, and good emissions.  I am saving my pennies.
>I hope to do it later this summer.  --FEP ]

Yes, this kind of a swap is a win from the purely technical
standpoint, but there is one major thing that stops me: in
California, you have to meet the emissions spec for the _latest_
piece of equipment.  To me, that would mean meeting '87 or later
emissions requirements, and I don't know if that is feasible
with a 1970 engine and exhaust system.  I know that EFI would
make an incremental improvement in emissions, but the way that
California legislators have written their stupid laws, and the
way that the beaurocracies have implemented their regulations,
I would have to take a huge risk at high expense.  Therefore,
I am stuck with the older technology.  Grumble.

[ This was, and perhaps still is, true.  I remember reading in a
newspaper that this had been changed.  I opted for the easy route
with a pre-emissions auto.  --FEP ]

Bob Hale   hale@brooktree.com

From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 15 13:57:07 1995
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        Hey all,

I just wanted to tell everyone about my new car. I went out and picked
up a 80's Camaro. The guy who owned it went and rebuilt a 350, putting
out 325 hp. Threw in a Stage 2 shifter by B&M, 2500 rpm stall, posi
4.11 rearend, with traction bars, threw flares on the fenders, and put
a set of 295/50 on the rear, and a set of 245/60 on the front. Its been
set up for the quarter mile, and does it well. I have not yet had it
clocked, or tried to get some figures, but i know from of the little
test ive done, that this car will eat a mustang..stock..its not much,
but i like it.

What i was wondering about was, how long do you think this engine will
last, it was punched out .060 and has flat top pistons. Its putin out
alot of power. Maybe to much? I was thinking when, if this engine dies
soon i was going to go up to a 400 small block bowtie. I dont
know...just an idea.

Something else was, can anyone explain what and how it works..ive got a
line lock on this car...all i know is that i push the button, and my
front tires are locked in place, but now i think ive cocked it. Any
ideas?

Besides that, i cant think of much for know..

Thanks for the help,

Troy Gillis


From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 15 13:58:18 1995
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Subject: Blower or Big Block?
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I keep flip-flopping about what engine I should try to stick in my '31
Plymouth.  If I want to go "all out", I can't decide whether I'd have
more fun with a small block with a supercharger, or a beefed up big
block.  I've been leaning towards a big Mopar, like maybe a 440 or an
old '50s mini-hemi, but when you consider how much it would cost to
build up one of those, it'd be about the same as building a Chevy 350
with a blower.

I've never driven anything with a blower before.  How does it compare to
driving something with a big-block V8?  Does a blower give you more
torque throughout the rpm range, or does it rob low end power?

I want to make something that's truly OVERPOWERED, yet still fairly
streetable.  I figure the '31 Plymouth will only weigh something like
2500 lbs., but I want to get the thrill of having WAY too much power.
Like maybe 400 - 450 horsepower.

Is a small block Chevy with a blower easy to maintain?  Or is it a
constant headache?  How does the mileage of a small block with a blower
compare to an unblown big-block?  Is it reasonable, like 12-13 mpg, or
rediculous like 5-6 mpg?

Every hotrod I see with a blower looks like it's only got about 5 miles
on it.  What's the lifespan of a typical "blown" engine?  I'm
envisioning maybe 8:1 compression with one of the smaller B&M roots
type blowers.  Those Paxton blowers are too ugly.  If it's blown, it's
got to have one of those monster Hilborne injector type scoops with the
three bladed butterfly valves in front!  :)

Thanks in advance for any comments or experiences you may have!

Tom

P.S.:  Is it true that a backfire will blow a blower right off your
engine?  Or is that only in those top-fuelers?  The initial fire-up of
an engine with a blower sounds like it'd be pretty scary --- especially
if you've got the timing way out of whack!


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Has anyone had experience with the Accel super-ram or Edelbrock
pro-flow.  The improved drivability and incresed mileage sound great,
but the price is high.  I see the Accel has tuned runners which would
give a boost in torque, what about the Edelbrock its uses a victor jr.
manifold.  Does anyone know just how much of a benefit those "tuned
runners" are worth over a standard type manifold like the victor jr.
The pro-flow is going for 1,800.00 while the Accel is around 2,800.00
how much better can the Accel be?

[  I recently called up Jeff Smith of HRM to ask him exactly that.
He likes his Accel, but could not really justify the price.  I have
a feeling that he did not pay the whole list price.  Last I remember,
the Summit catalog had the Accel stuff for $2600, no shipping.  --FEP ]


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Hi- I'm kinda new to the list (been lurking for a while). Doing a
replica of a CanAm car. Using an aluminum small block.  Is anyone out
there using reverse cooling? Looks like it may be worth the effort.

Got the front suspension set up except for the steering rack. Looks
like it needs a rack with about 29 inches between inner pivots. Anyone
know of a chart or table listing the dimensions of various manual
steering racks? (I won't be surprised to not hear anything on this
one).

Lastly- I'm hard pressed for room between the firewall and engine.
Anyone know of an A/C compressor that's smaller than a Sanden?

The thing should be pretty good if i ever get it rolling. I'm using AFR
195 heads with a AirSensor's TPI manifold and an Accell EFI box. The
rotating assembly is Mechart 5.85" rods with Weisco 11.3:1 pistons
lightened at Race Engineering (a good place to order pistons, btw).
Lazer Cams roller .585 lift  w 250/260 dur. Using a Porsche 915 trans
bolted to the a Kennedy Engineering adapter. Don't have axles yet. The
rear suspension uses Herb Adams VSE uprights, which are splined for the
old humongous Toronado/Eldorado CV joints (bullet-proof but heavy. In
fact, it's now specualted that the Titanic didn't hit an iceberg. It
sank because some bomber pilot playing a practical joke dropped one of
these CV's onto it's upper deck). The inner, Porsche joints hook on to
an axle abt 1 inch in diameter, but the monster eldo axles are abt 1
5/16".  Is it possible to respline an eldo axle down to the porsche
configuration and retain it's strength?

Have a good 1!   Bill Edison


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[ This is on the edge of the list charter, or perhaps off.
If it makes it in to print, I'd like to see the text of the 
book on line, like here.  I've edited some of the 
harshness out of the following.  --FEP ]

Hey drivers and auto enthusiasts! Pissed-off at all the new laws that
are hitting you too hard in the wallet and/or literally threatening
your mobility through auto use? LET ME KNOW!!

I'm writing a new book on how regulation- namely of  the environmental
variety- is threatening the mobility and passion  of Americans- OUR
CARS!  This unprecedented mobility is a literal inherent "right", yet
particularly unprotected. We 'must" have our cars to survive in our
society, yet they can be taken away- physically or ECONOMICALLY- by
those with ulterior motives.  DON'T BE SILENT!

If your story is published in this book, I will pay you $50- or give
you one free auto service consultation session! Please  include
details: names, dates places, specfic car parts or labor events,
specfic prices, etc.. These true stories must involve you and your
vehicle only, and a professional auto repair shop(s) if applicable.
New cars/still under warranty, or older vehicles.

Most-interested in:
1) Emission-test scams: Your car was running fine. It "failed" a
state-required emission test. You had to pay a lot of money to fix
something that produced no noticable improvement to you OR it was
determined it was too costly to repair, and you could not subseqently
register your vehicle in your state- your vehicle was literally "taken
away" from you. I may pay extra for the "right" story here!!

2) Auto air conditioner stuff. Horror stories about new vehicles with
the new-type  freon gas, or  similar horror stories about older
vehicles converted to, or expensive pressures to convert to, the
new-type freon gas.  Have you given-up and are now without auto A/C,
and are similarily pissed-off?

3) Stories about the new reformulated gasoline. Sickness, high prices,
vehicle problems/repair costs, etc. that are DIRECTLY attributable to
the new "oxygenated" gasolines.

4) For those with a strong environmental-ethic only: Have you put off
purchase of a new vehicle because the prices are too high- and
therefore hang-on to a significantly older/higher polluting vehicle? If
prices were more reasonable, would you get that "new car"?

5) When it comes down to it, what's MORE important: having affordable
personal transporation with prudent respect for the environment, or
having a no-holds-barred environmental mandate with no concern for
automotive costs or restrictions- and  the hardships such conditions
create for the average American?

[ I'd like to see a 50 year graph of car cost in constant dollars.
Along the graph/time line, indicate the introduction of various
laws, the changing tastes of people, when items became "standard",
like blinkers and rear window defrosters, the average part count
for the autombile, the man hour count for build, and the average
capitol for build per car.  Cross market analysis with light 
trucks and motorcycles would be good, plus exchange rate analysis
with Germany and Japan would help.  Mark the backgound by colors
according to what political party was where and in what strength, 
too.

The research to do this will likely take a year, but could proove
interesting.   --FEP ]

Please keep your story(s) short and "tight".  Include your e-mail address.
I will contact you if you're a "winner"!  Thanks!

Jeff Shumway, America's Mechanic (tm)  amermechnc@aol.com ASE Master
Mechanic, shop owner, author, teacher, consultant, consumer advocate,
free-enterprise/anti-regulation advocate, environmentalist Falls
Church, VA


From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 15 15:10:59 1995
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>I just wanted to tell everyone about my new car. I went out and picked
>up a 80's Camaro. The guy who owned it went and rebuilt a 350, putting
>out 325 hp. Threw in a Stage 2 shifter by B&M, 2500 rpm stall, posi
>4.11 rearend, with traction bars, threw flares on the fenders, and put
>a set of 295/50 on the rear, and a set of 245/60 on the front. Its been
>set up for the quarter mile, and does it well. I have not yet had it
>clocked, or tried to get some figures, but i know from of the little
>test ive done, that this car will eat a mustang..stock..its not much,
>but i like it.

Just a few points:  325 is not to much for a 350.  In fact it would be
pretty typical for a hot cammed small valve motor with reasonable
compression.  Peak hp right around 4700-5300 range.  You may be
surprised to find out that it doesn't even make the 325hp numbers.
With a 2000rpm stall converter and 4.11 gears the car should acclerate
well - with just about any motor.

>What i was wondering about was, how long do you think this engine will
>last, it was punched out .060 and has flat top pistons. Its putin out
>alot of power. Maybe to much? I was thinking when, if this engine dies
>soon i was going to go up to a 400 small block bowtie. I dont
>know...just an idea.

By 400 Bowtie - do you mean the 4.125" bore race block?  If so the 400
would probably be more reliable.  But a stock 400 block would be on the
thin side with anything more than a .030 overbore.  I suspect your
current small block would last for a long while.  Depends on who did
the machine work and how well.

>Something else was, can anyone explain what and how it works..ive got a
>line lock on this car...all i know is that i push the button, and my
>front tires are locked in place, but now i think ive cocked it. Any
>ideas?

You must build up brake pressure, then hit the line-lock button, then
release the brake pedal.  The front wheels will maintain pressure.  You
can then rev the engine and smoke the rear tires without moving
forward.  Release the line lock button and the front brakes release.
Most often used by drag racers heating up the surface on their slicks.
I wouldn't recommend this for radials.  Seems radials shed heat much
slower and actually overheat.

Hope you enjoy your new ride.

Dirk

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I am driving the car again, and it is much improoved.  Only a few items
are left in the original rear end, the big ones.  New inner and outer
bearings and seals, the locking differential is new, and the new
control arms are on.

When Steve, the mechanic at Global West, opened the rear case, he
thought 'what kind of additive is in here?'.  It was no additive, it
was the ground up gearing! None of the gear teeth are broken, but each
axel gear and each spider gear is down to about 60% thickness on each
tooth!  Hard to imagine, but true.  I have the gears here at work.
Naturally, this metal mix got into, and wasted, all the bearings and
seals.  The ring and pinion were not perfect, but good enough to keep.
What does one really expect from a 30 year old piece with 198,000 miles
on it?

The new pieces make for a phenominal change in handling.  The locking
diff has made it apparent that I need better shocks -- very light
wheelstands produce that dual-dotted-line effect.  A bit more tire
pressure and better shocks should quiet that down.  On power turning is
much better.  The 71/91 interchange ( nearby )  is a two-lane blacktop
to four-lane highway 120 degree turn.  It is banked about 15 degrees
and two lanes wide, plus it drops about 30' into the apex and then
rises about 10'.  Coming into this in the past was a bit
nervewracking.  The last time through, I came in hot, dove for the
bottom and got on the power.  No rear-end wobble steering me around!
In fact, good power on both wheels brought a good bit of power
oversteer.  Not desiring to come on to the 91 at 80 mph backward, I
lifted slightly and the car pushed to the outside -- worked perfect,
just like in a book.  A bit more throttle and I was on the 91, going
less than twice as fast as the rest of the light traffic.  The
difference was really stunning.

There is a similar tryout area on the 55/73 interchange.  Even my wife
takes this 1000 yard, banked left hand turn at 90 mph (in the Saturn).  
At the end, the ramp ( 3 lanes wide by that point ) joins the 73 at
a crease in the road.  With the car compressed down in the turn and on
power, the I found that the crease produced remarkable chassis flex.
Then I noted that the speedo read 120mph.  In the past, the rear-end
wobble and the single-track power application made this turn hard at
much less speed.  That wobble was completely gone.  Now to work on
chassis flex!

Please do not waste time trying to flame me about speed!  I'll only
edit it out anyway!  I've been working up to this for quite a while --
16 months of work as of this week.  A short list of the modifications
to make an old Chevelle handle well can clear it up:
   15" BFG Comp T/A Z255 tires on ARE two-piece rims
   Global West negative roll front control arms, Del-a-lum bushings,
      drop spindles and Corvette/1LE Camaro 12" brakes, new brake
      lines and proportining valve
   1.5" front anti-sway bar, new springs, and Gas-a-just shocks
   Global West tubular control arms with Del-a-lum and sphereical
      bearings
   Lock-Rite mechanically locking differential, new springs
   High-strength wheel studs
   A ZZ3 without PS, PB, AC deletes hundreds of pounds from the nose 
     when compared to a stock, optioned-out small block.
     
Frank Evan Perdicaro 			Dainippon Screen Engineering of America
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From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 15 15:16:04 1995
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>Has anyone had experience with the Accel super-ram or Edelbrock
>pro-flow.  The improved drivability and incresed mileage sound great,
>but the price is high.  I see the Accel has tuned runners which would
>give a boost in torque, what about the Edelbrock its uses a victor jr.
>manifold.  Does anyone know just how much of a benefit those "tuned
>runners" are worth over a standard type manifold like the victor jr.
>The pro-flow is going for 1,800.00 while the Accel is around 2,800.00
>how much better can the Accel be?

To the best of my knowledge, the Edelbrock system is "tuneable" but not
programmable like the Accel Box, which can be programmed with a laptop
pc.  The Edelbrock is advertised as a "sequential fire" box while the
Accel has group-fired injectors. I believe sequential fire to be of
marginal or even negligable benefit on the street, especially when the
upper limit is 6800 rpm. All in all though, I'd go with the Edelbrock.
It's substantially cheaper, more compact, lighter, probably easier to
install, doesn't require the purchase od re-calibration software for
non-stock cams, is less complex, and it comes with the fuel pump and
regulator (probably at least another $150 if you buy the SuperRam).
The SuperRam probably makes more torque but that torque is a trade-off
for losing some hp.  Both systems are neat, tho.   I'm using an AirSensors
monster TPI manifold with the accel box. Haven't fired it yet but I've
had the manifold extrude-honed and the runners siamesed to get a little more
flow (and probably a little less torque).  Another system worth looking into
is one (or several) by Turbo City (they usually run a small ad in most
popular mags). Most of their systems are modified TBIs (although they can
give you multi-port) with dual throttle bodies that run in the $1500
range. They're supposed to be 1: easy to install  2: use mostly stock
parts that are easily obtained  3: are very reliable and 4: give good throttle
response.
>
>[  I recently called up Jeff Smith of HRM to ask him exactly that.
>He likes his Accel, but could not really justify the price.  I have
>a feeling that he did not pay the whole list price.  Last I remember,
>the Summit catalog had the Accel stuff for $2600, no shipping.  --FEP ]

Yep- $2600 plus fuel pump, regulator, & if needed, software.


    Good luck!  BIll Edison

>

From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 15 16:48:30 1995
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>I keep flip-flopping about what engine I should try to stick in my '31
>Plymouth.  If I want to go "all out", I can't decide whether I'd have
>more fun with a small block with a supercharger, or a beefed up big
>block.  I've been leaning towards a big Mopar, like maybe a 440 or an
>old '50s mini-hemi, but when you consider how much it would cost to
>build up one of those, it'd be about the same as building a Chevy 350
>with a blower.

Without any regards to being practical my vote is 392 Hemi - blown.

For cost - a straight small block will make 400hp without too much
fuss.  In a 2500lbs car, just about anything will move it.

I assume your talking street driven - I would prefer the lighter of two
choices.  A blown small block would probably weigh less that the big
block.  Also Big block parts are expensive.

>Is a small block Chevy with a blower easy to maintain?  Or is it a
>constant headache?  How does the mileage of a small block with a
blower >compare to an unblown big-block?  Is it reasonable, like 12-13
mpg, or >rediculous like 5-6 mpg?

I suspect it would be easier to maintain.  Lower compression ratio
means easier starting.  Less ignition advance.  Milder camshaft.
Vacuum accesories running from the carb's vacuum port.  Dual carbs can
present a mild problem - but I don't suspect a big one.  Also the
blower tends to mix up the gasoline and air.  I've seen reports that
they acutally run cleaner - less cyclinder to cylinder fuel variation.

Isn't this the idea behind Smokey's hot air engine?

For about the same money you could probably build a electronic fuel
injected big block.  Locally there is someone using a BDS (yes they
make somesort of TPI based injection) on a 454 in a bright yellow
Willy's.  Starts easily, runs great.  He seems to make it to all the
local show and shines.  Instead of supercharger he uses a gear drive.

>P.S.:  Is it true that a backfire will blow a blower right off your
>engine?  Or is that only in those top-fuelers?  The initial fire-up of
>an engine with a blower sounds like it'd be pretty scary --- especially
>if you've got the timing way out of whack!

Under high boost, the fuel/air mixture under the supercharger is
completely combustable.  I saw a Top Fueler's telemetry readout showing
60psi of boost about 8 years ago.  WIth 60psi - a backfire would surely
ignite the mixture blowing the supercharger right off the motor.

Dirk


From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 15 18:59:54 1995
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I've rebuilt my 350 about a year ago and I can't really complain too
much.  It's running great on the freeway and responds well in the
city.  It's recently developed that annoying rough idle whereas in
drive, the car (chopped '51 Merc) is physically rocking at the stop
light :-(  It's running the mild Edelbrock cam, manifold, and carb.
I've got the right dwell, recently tightened all the manifold bolts,
and timing is per Edelbrock.  All the motor mounts and TH350 mounts are
new.  Recently added an AC compressor that hangs off to the side, just
beyond the valve cover.  Turning the AC on or off doesn't affect the
"rockin" motor.

Any suggestions as to what might be causing this are appreciated,

Mike

San Jose, Ca


From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 15 19:00:17 1995
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These are some articles on DUI, which were published in my "Legal Briefs"
 series.  I specialize in DUI/DWI/BUI/FUI etc.

[ Not a bad bit of information to have, but off the charter. 
I have put this in the hotrod_ftpmail public area.  To get a copy,
send here with "Subject: hotrod ftpmail get dui".  --FEP ]


From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun 16 12:25:23 1995
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Installed about 6 units,replacing points/condenser in several pre-70's
Chrysler,Ford & Chevy vehicles. Worked great, decreased maintainance, slight
increase in mileage, slight to medium increase in power due to very accurate
dwell.  No failures to date, units in use approximately 5 years.  



From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun 16 12:27:24 1995
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Did you have the motor balanced after all the machine work was done?
Often balancing (or lack of ) is the reason for the "shakes". Is the
harmonic balancer in good shape or even the right one?  how about the
flex plate?  All of these items would have been inspected by the shop
that does the balancing for you so it IS worth having a smooth running,
longer lasting, more powerful engine.


From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun 16 12:28:23 1995
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Bob
   The recommended rears are out of "A" bodied cars. Vista cruiser wagons
of that time period were intermediate cars, similar to a Chevelle. "B"
body (as you call them) rears are unlikely to be a bolt in like the
intermediate rears . All intermediate rears for General Motors, from 65
through 72 will interchange. That is, any Chevelle,Lemans, GTO,
Cutlass, F-85, Vista Cruiser, Skylark, GS, etc, will bolt in. I know,
I've done it many times. The 12 bolt in a Vista Cruiser, is a 12 bolt
in every way.  Later cars (after 73) had a mix of parts that you have
to be careful of.

[ I have heard of, and seen, the 10/12 bolt Olds.  The 1970 Cutlass I
got a motor from had 6 bolts on the axels, 12 bolts on the pan, and 
remarkably common single track innards.  Even my father was 
shocked.  --FEP ]

   I must say this though, there may be width differences in these rears.
Unless you are running the widest possible tires, this may either be to
your advantage or against it. But if your tire width is within reason
these variances won't matter.


From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun 16 12:30:34 1995
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        Early Mustangs are really  closely related to the specs of a
Maverick. Weights are similar, balance is similar. This is important for
brake component swapping.
        The biggest change in this swap is going from a single line Master
Cylinder to a dual line master cylinder. This will make your car safer.
Should your brakes fail in the front then you still have the back to stop
you.
        Choose a Maverick that has the same basic engine as your Mustang,
that is, if you have an eight cylinder in your Mustang, use an eight cylinder
Maverick.
        You must take ALL the plumbing from the Maverick. You should be able
to use the power brake booster and master cylinder as well. Be sure to use
the Brake proportioning valve from the Maverick as well. This part alone will
make sure the brake performance will be right for your Mustang once you drive
the car.
You should use the spindles and the rotors and the calipers from the
Maverick. If the rear drums are wider or larger diameter from the Maverick,
use them. It's possible they will be the same as your Mustang. Note that the
rear could bolt in complete should you need it for your car.
        This swap, while it's not original to an early Mustang, is better
than the original disk brake setup.  The original setup was a 4 piston
caliper that needs the same help as your friends need with the ones on their
Corvettes, stainless steel calipers. The Maverick setup is a modern single
piston caliper, that is cheap to buy at the parts store and rarely has the
problems of the original setup.    Good Choice!
e intake manifold in a place that is not
visable on the outside of the engine.
          Another test is with a vacuum gage. Hook your gage up directly to
manifold vacuum. The engine should have 15" of vacuum or better at idle. The
reading should also be steady, meaning the needle should not " wag" back and
forth. Any reading below 15 means there is a problem.
         Hope this helps you! 

From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun 16 15:26:15 1995
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You know...while evreyone bitches about car pollution...why don't they
hook up their GAS -POWERED LAWN MOWERS to an emissions machine and see
how bad THEY billow pollution into our air!!!  I heard some where that
they produce THREE TIMES the pollution of ANY CAR...  But you'll never
hear anyone snap at a snapper...will they.

[ Do not laugh, grimace at the thought.  Here in CA there have been
a few pushes to alter lawn mowers, weed whackers, roto tillers, 
etc.  And there is a real threat for two stroke stuff in general.

Write your congressman.  --FEP ]

LISA...PROUD
owner of a ' 79

From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun 16 15:28:33 1995
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Howdy everyone.....  I've been pondering some questions about my S-10
4x4 blazer. It's got just over 150,000 miles on it now, and I've been
thinking about what to do when I get engine failure.  It's not imminent
(it doesn't even burn oil!), but it's bound to happen sooner or later.
Anyway, the v-6 that is in there now (3.6?) is a little weak when it
comes to pulling boats and things, so I was wondering what would be
involved in putting a 305 or 350 in there instead.  I'm not looking for
a dragster or anything, just more torque. Are the existing transmission
and transfer case strong enough to take the increased torque?  From
eyeballing the engine compartment, it looks like it might be a tight
squeeze.  If the 8 is a bad idea, what other options should I consider,
like a v-6 from another source that would drop in easily?

Does anyone make a kit for this?  I don't have any details regarding the 
type of trans or xfer case I have, but I could get them.

[ There are S10 v8 kits out there.  I cannot think of any at this
second.  Depending on the transmission, one might have a hard
time.  There exists a S10 oddball TH700 for the small v6.  If you
have one, you will need a new transmission to go with the new
motor.  --FEP ]

thanks

--steve


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>        Early Mustangs are really  closely related to the specs of a
>Maverick. Weights are similar, balance is similar. This is important for
>brake component swapping.
>        The biggest change in this swap is going from a single line Master
>Cylinder to a dual line master cylinder. This will make your car safer.
>Should your brakes fail in the front then you still have the back to stop
>you.
>        Choose a Maverick that has the same basic engine as your Mustang,
>that is, if you have an eight cylinder in your Mustang, use an eight cylinder
>Maverick.
>        You must take ALL the plumbing from the Maverick. You should be able
>to use the power brake booster and master cylinder as well. Be sure to use
>the Brake proportioning valve from the Maverick as well. This part alone will
>make sure the brake performance will be right for your Mustang once you drive
>the car.
>You should use the spindles and the rotors and the calipers from the
>Maverick. If the rear drums are wider or larger diameter from the Maverick,
>use them. It's possible they will be the same as your Mustang. Note that the
>rear could bolt in complete should you need it for your car.
>        This swap, while it's not original to an early Mustang, is better
>than the original disk brake setup......

What years mustang is this good for (I have a 69 fastback w/351C and FMX)?
I currently have manual drums all the way around (not much better than Fred
Flinstone!) And will there be any fabrication necessary?  I've also heard
that spindles, rotors, and calipers can be used from a Ford Monarch or
Granada, is this true?

Lex Offer
reffoxel@txdirect.net
When in danger or in doubt,
Run in circles, scream and shout.


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>        Early Mustangs are really  closely related to the specs of a
>Maverick. Weights are similar, balance is similar. This is important for
>brake component swapping.
>        The biggest change in this swap is going from a single line Master
>Cylinder to a dual line master cylinder. This will make your car safer.
>Should your brakes fail in the front then you still have the back to stop
>you.
>        Choose a Maverick that has the same basic engine as your Mustang,
>that is, if you have an eight cylinder in your Mustang, use an eight cylinder
>Maverick.
>        You must take ALL the plumbing from the Maverick. You should be able
>to use the power brake booster and master cylinder as well. Be sure to use
>the Brake proportioning valve from the Maverick as well. This part alone will
>make sure the brake performance will be right for your Mustang once you drive
>the car.
>You should use the spindles and the rotors and the calipers from the
>Maverick. If the rear drums are wider or larger diameter from the Maverick,
>use them. It's possible they will be the same as your Mustang. Note that the
>rear could bolt in complete should you need it for your car.
>        This swap, while it's not original to an early Mustang, is better
>than the original disk brake setup.  The original setup was a 4 piston
>caliper that needs the same help as your friends need with the ones on their
>Corvettes, stainless steel calipers. The Maverick setup is a modern single
>piston caliper, that is cheap to buy at the parts store and rarely has the
>problems of the original setup.    Good Choice!
>e intake manifold in a place that is not
>visable on the outside of the engine.
>          Another test is with a vacuum gage. Hook your gage up directly to
>manifold vacuum. The engine should have 15" of vacuum or better at idle. The
>reading should also be steady, meaning the needle should not " wag" back and
>forth. Any reading below 15 means there is a problem.
>         Hope this helps you! 
>
        1) in the last paragraph what is being tested?
        2) what other problems can be diagnosed using a vacuum gauge?
           i've heard that you can adjust idle mixture using a vacuum gauge-
           turning the idle mixture screws untill the highest vacuum reading
           is obtained-is this correct?
        3) what type of problem does "wagging" of the gauges needle relate to?

i currently own a 72' corvette. It uses vacuum to actuate just about everthing,
from the headlights,widshield wiper door , heater controls and vents. oh
boy! the 
vacuum control system from hell.


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Mike,

Have you tried searching for a vaccuum leak? A vaccuum leak will cause
a miss at idle but may not be apparent at higher rpm. I had the same
problem on my 51 Chevy with a built 350 with a 350 turbo and it turned
out to be the modulator valve.

Tom
Louisville Ky

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Can the harmonic balancer really cause the shakes?  Also, can it cause
vibrations at about 2000 rpm's on the highway?

[ Yes, it can.  On my father-in-law's Aerostar, the balancer shook 
a bit, then shook violently, then flew off, luckily in the down 
direction.  He had to walk back and get it.  --FEP ]


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>Anyway, the v-6 that is in there now (3.6?) is a little weak when it
>comes to pulling boats and things, so I was wondering what would be
>involved in putting a 305 or 350 in there instead.

I don't think chevy makes a 3.6.  They put the 60 degree 2.8/3.1 Liter
in the early ones.  I think they switched to the 90 degree 4.2 Liter
'Vortex' engine later.

>From eyeballing the engine compartment, it looks like it might be a tight
>squeeze.

The 350 has been swapped in by a few people but its really too tight.

>If the 8 is a bad idea, what other options should I consider,

The Vortex is your best choice.

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[comes to pulling boats and things, so I was wondering what would be
[involved in putting a 305 or 350 in there instead.  I'm not looking for
[a dragster or anything, just more torque. Are the existing transmission
[and transfer case strong enough to take the increased torque?  From
[eyeballing the engine compartment, it looks like it might be a tight
[squeeze.  If the 8 is a bad idea, what other options should I consider,
[like a v-6 from another source that would drop in easily?
[
[Does anyone make a kit for this?  I don't have any details regarding the
[type of trans or xfer case I have, but I could get them.
[
[[ There are S10 v8 kits out there.  I cannot think of any at this
[second.  Depending on the transmission, one might have a hard
[time.  There exists a S10 oddball TH700 for the small v6.  If you
[have one, you will need a new transmission to go with the new
[motor.  --FEP ]
[

JTR (jaguars that run) has a book on S10/S15 swaps using late model TBI
and TPI V8's; They also have books on swapping these engines into Jags,
Datsuns, Volvos, and others, as well as a 'Generic' one;

Most of these swaps assume you are going to use the engine +
transmission from the donor car (vette, F-body); the tranny from the
stock 2.8 V6 won't bolt up to the V8, and probably wouldn't last
anyway;

They also sell the "Stealth Conversion" parts; things like the rubber
elbows needed for routing the air intake/MAF and the adapters for
connecting the speedo senders to older or non-GM instruments;

JTR
P.O.Box 66
Livermore, CA 94551

Order desk (510) 462-3916
Fax (510) 846-3642

Also: I saw the S10/S15 V8 motor mounts and headers in one of the recent 
Summit Racing catalogs;

Keep us posted;

DaveH


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	I've forgotten if there is/was a web page for the Hotrod list... 

[ I have an HTML editor and a bit of time.  I am working on it.  --FEP ]

	Also, anyone have any tips/tricks for Olds 350 rebuilds?   I'm 
about to get the block back from the the machine shop, so it's time to put 
it all together - .030 over, line bored, ect.

	I've heard some rumors about oil restrictors for the cam bearings...

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--


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Regarding the 350 with the shakes:

Check the harmonic balancer for looseness.  I found out the hard way on
my 350 in my '69 Camaro that the harmonic balancer can look okay at
first glance, but can be cracked lengthwise on the hub where it presses
over the crankshaft snout.   The balancer I had was a used one that
came from a Z-28.  The crack was very narrow, but it allowed the
balancer to start wobbling and shaking on the crank snout.  It
eventually wobbled so much it tore up the front oil seal and destroyed
the front of the crank -- even though it was still bolted on.

You might also want to tune your engine for maximum vacuum at idle.  If
you can get the vacuum up at idle by messing with the timing or
centrifical advance springs, that will help to smooth out the idle a
lot.  With a hotter cam you need more advance at idle than a stock
engine.

Good luck,
Tom

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Seem to remember that a Nascar racer Named CJ Batten  (could be wrong )
did wild things with Olds small blocks.   He did major things with the
heads including a shaft mounted rocker arm setup ( what was Olds
thinking with those silly pedastals? ) and major improvements in
breathing, rivaling the small block Chevy.  Too late  for you but
many racers use the Diesel block for the ultimate in heavy duty Olds
engine blocks. Also too late for you is the use of the 403 Olds   based
on the small block Olds setup. There is no substitute for cubic inches.
50 cubic inches gives more power regardless of the Brand name. Look
also at what the factory did in the late sixties regarding the "Ramrod"
350, and to a lesser degree the Olds Vista Cruiser Wagon. The
difference between these two applications may only boil down to exhaust
systems for differences in power ratings. The old GM shell game!

Good Luck


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(Frank - a bit off-topic, but...c'mon!)

I'm gonna be getting a new workshop soon, a barn! (oh yeah, and the
family gets a new house too :)  This should prove to be a major step up
from working on the car in the driveway as light and weather permit.
The previous owner built it for a workshop, and to store his boat, so
there's no animal 'residue' to clean up.

A few thoughts on using it for an auto workshop:  

The barn has it's own box with a 220V circuit in it (as well as some
110 ones) and I'm wondering what I need to run a welder.  There's two
60A 110V breakers ganged together on the 220 line, so I assume that
means I've got a 60A 220V circuit there.  Is that enough?

The 20'x30' barn has no foundation, but is built on 12 concrete pads.
The floor joists are 2"x 12" rough-sawn (*really* 2" by *really* 12")
spaced 2' apart and the flooring is 1.5"x 6" rough sawn.  Is this
sturdy enough to hold my car (early Nova, relatively light)?

I've considered painting the floorboards to avoid having
oil/gas/whatever soaking into the wood (fire hazard, slippery,
deteriorates wood).  Any pros/cons to that plan?  Suggested paints?
Epoxy?

I'm also considering putting plywood down as a first line of defense
against damage (remove & replace when it gets too beat-up) and to stop
small parts from dropping between the floorboards.  I also thought
about putting in a trap door for undercar access.

JGD's articles about fire safety are also on my mind with all that wood
around.  I'm planning on a couple of good size fire extinguishers for
starters.

Any other tips/suggestions?

[ It seem that this issue comes up often enough to warrent a FAQ. I 
think Dave Williams might have gone through this lately.  I cannot
remember.

Here are a few thoughts.

Ceiling: white sheetrock with sprinkers.  

Lighting: mixed high efficency florecents and some incandescents.

Flooring: paint with whatever epoxy paint that JGD talked about.  We
have it here at work, too.  Great, very tough stuff.

Systems:  Air and water are good.  Never too many outlets of either.
Compressor and tank outside.  Use 1" copper, sweated for air.  Make
sure ALL the run goes down hill to a drain; tap vertically out of the
run ( up ) to get dryest air.  Use no PVC.    Use GFI outlets; put
a welder outlet outside, too.

Have a detail/clean area with a chair, clean table, tooling and good
light.

Make shelving, more than you thing you can ever use, and make sure it
all has doors.  

Casting concrete piles for anchors and pull points is a great 
idea.  Casting a section or two of railroad track into your floor will
always be great.

Put as much as you can on castors.    --FEP ]
 
Pat
--
patman@ctron.com, pmancuso@nyx.cs.du.edu -- '64 Nova SS -- Exeter, NH
                                           (soon to be Stratham, NH!!)


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I have a 51 Chevy with a 350/350 combination that has a 54 inch rear
end which I beleive to be out of a Camaro. I would like to lower the
ratio to a 373. Can anyone tell me what will fit? Right now I have
about 1.5 inches clearance on each side between the tires and the wheel
well. Tks, Tom.  tomreid@iglou.com

[ Which year is the Camaro rear end?  --FEP ]


From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 22 15:17:25 1995
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I built an olds 350 for a friend about 2 yrs. ago that pulled about 420
hp.  I did the entire build from stock to finish. Found oil restrictors
will help but found one of the cheapest hp gains is a crank splash
guard cuz every time the crank gets hit w/ oil it slows the crank.  All
moving parts require constant lubrication but if you can reduce the
amount to the least without starving it's extra hp. Olds motors tend to
run better w/ high rise intakes (not tunnel rams) or a spacer plate.


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I agree, if possible a FAQ about shop
construction/layout/tools/fixtures is most appropriate for a list
haunted by "wrenches"....my shop is just beginning so hurry with FAQ!
I need the advice.

ps. Just completed the Rodger Ward's Pony Express 100 in Nevada in my
62' Corvette...what a ball! Other than frying my distributor (see
previous posting..did that get through?) the ZZ3 engine was perfect,
held between 4,000-4,800 rpm for 50 mins...water temp ranged from about
205-190 (distilled water and Red line Water Wetter) and oil pressure at
65 psi (Mobil 1 15w-50)..  air temp about 75 and altitude 4,500-6,500
feet...our target speed was 100 mph and we averaged 99.579
mph..beginners luck...Unlimited Class winner was Kim Baker (Corvette)
at 183.794!

Phil::
pb1@axe.humboldt.edu


From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 22 15:22:32 1995
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I want to keep a closer eye on the coolant temp of my 65 327 El
Camino.  I have the factory in dash gauges which includes an electrical
temp gauge. I want to install an aftermarket temp gauge in the glovebox
to see what the temp really is. The question.  Does the factory
electric sending unit on the intake work with say an aftermarket
electric temp gauge. Are the sending units all calibrated the same? I
wanna keep the factory unit working and am thinking of just tapping
into the wire that goes to the sender and having the aftermarket gauge
as a backup on those 95 degree days.

[ Good question.  I just got around the problem by installing a 
second sender unit right next to the factory one.  The AutoMeter
guages come with a sending unit, and all the stuff to put
it into the manifold, so why not.  

You might like to know that on the 64/65 Chevelle/El Camino, if one
does not have factory air, three 2 1/16" guages will fit in the 
dash right above the radio.  Buy the black/chrome bezels and it looks
remarkably like the GM stuff.  I have oil pressure, water temperature
and voltage right there, with vac and tranny temp below the ash tray
in my '64.  

Installation was EASY.  I used a hand plane to shave the CHEVROLET 
off the area, then a 2" hole saw to cut the holes ( make a template
first).  --FEP ]

Frank Szymkowski

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I was told that the Camaro rear end was of the 67-68 area. Any help would 
be appreciated. Tks, Tom.

From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun 23 12:50:29 1995
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Question:
  
I put a Hypertech distributor on my ZZ3 engine which also has a
MSD6A... problem is the Hypertech fried!  The insulation around the
carbon rod burnt out and transferred to the top of the rotor into the
"cup" with the metal connector; this blocked the current and caused an
intermittent miss until the current burned through the accumulated crud
on the top of the rotor after running (badly) for a couple of
minutes...I mean this sucker melted down!  Called Hypertech and they
were clueless..no help at all..they said they had never heard of this
before (right!) and that they had never tested their coil with an
MSD6A...next called MSD and the tech instantly knew of the problem and
cure...order their low resistance bushing/carbon rod..(MSD part
#8412).  Has anyone else had this problem?  And now that I think of it
a hotter coil and an MSD6A may be an over kill..  my idea was that the
MSD6A produces multi sparks under 3,000 rpm and the hotter coil (stock
GM HEI is 38,000 volts/Hypertech is 53,000 volts) would cover above
3,000 rpm....I am using Moroso Blue/Max wires and AC 906 (Pt) gapped at
.050".  Any comments or collective wisdom on this? Thanks.

Answer:

Temperature gauges on our old (53'-62) solid axle cars (SBs) were 
calibrated based on the resistance of the sender/wire..therefore, 
replacement senders NEVER gave accurate gauge readings..what makes it 
worse is the signal/error is not linear; so just changing the circuit by 
adding resistors will only give an accurate reading at a specific 
temperature...bottom line is that most senders and gauges must be matched 
sets.
 
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From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun 23 12:50:31 1995
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>I want to keep a closer eye on the coolant temp of my 65 327 El
>Camino.  I have the factory in dash gauges which includes an electrical
>temp gauge. I want to install an aftermarket temp gauge in the glovebox
>to see what the temp really is. The question.  Does the factory
>electric sending unit on the intake work with say an aftermarket
>electric temp gauge. Are the sending units all calibrated the same? I

Hmmm - I suspect the electrical gauges work by running a fixed voltage
to ground.  It would seem the resistance of sending unit changes with
temperature.

So if your going to run two gauges in parralel - then they will each
drop less voltage than before (will they read higher or lower).

However, in the age of modern computer controls - where the computer
must read the temperature - aftermarket gauges manufactures make a
device that allows two gauges to be hooked up.  If I'm not mistake the
latemodel GM's must use this device.  Time to talk to a real speed shop
(one that does installations as well ).

As for the small block chevy.  Doesn't the manifold have fitting for
gauges on both the left and the right side of the water outlet?  I'm
almost possitive my Torker does.

Also I've seen water necks that have fittings for temperature gauges -
not quite the same temp - but maybe good enough for your application.

>You might like to know that on the 64/65 Chevelle/El Camino, if one
>does not have factory air, three 2 1/16" guages will fit in the 

[snip]

>Installation was EASY.  I used a hand plane to shave the CHEVROLET 
>off the area, then a 2" hole saw to cut the holes ( make a template
>first).  --FEP ]

Hmmm - I just bought a set of Autometer 2" gauges.  Instructions said
drill a 2 1/16" hole.  My largest holesaw was 2" - a test drill on some
scrap sheet metal showed that 2" wasn't big enough.  Most hardware
stores sold 2 1/8" as the next size up.  I finally found a 2 1/16" at a
Service Star affiliated place.  Nice tight fit.  I suspect a drill
press would have made the fit even better.

[ The Chevelle dash was not sheet metal, but a was a plastic similar
to ABS.  I used the wobble method with the hole saw, and finished with a 
half-round file.  Use a low speed and be careful.  --FEP ]

Dirk

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On Jun 21, 14:44, Hotrod List wrote:
> Subject: Shop questions
> (Frank - a bit off-topic, but...c'mon!)
>
> I'm gonna be getting a new workshop soon, a barn! (oh yeah, and the
> family gets a new house too :)  This should prove to be a major step up
> from working on the car in the driveway as light and weather permit.
> The previous owner built it for a workshop, and to store his boat, so
> there's no animal 'residue' to clean up.

Excellent!  It makes a tremendous difference.  Is it heated?
>
> A few thoughts on using it for an auto workshop:
>
> The barn has it's own box with a 220V circuit in it (as well as some
> 110 ones) and I'm wondering what I need to run a welder.  There's two
> 60A 110V breakers ganged together on the 220 line, so I assume that
> means I've got a 60A 220V circuit there.  Is that enough?

My big Lincoln MIG runs off 220, but there are plenty of smaller
welders will run off of 110.  The welder dicussion is a thread all its
own.

>
> The 20'x30' barn has no foundation, but is built on 12 concrete pads.
> The floor joists are 2"x 12" rough-sawn (*really* 2" by *really* 12")
> spaced 2' apart and the flooring is 1.5"x 6" rough sawn.  Is this
> sturdy enough to hold my car (early Nova, relatively light)?

Maybe.


> I've considered painting the floorboards to avoid having
> oil/gas/whatever soaking into the wood (fire hazard, slippery,
> deteriorates wood).  Any pros/cons to that plan?  Suggested paints?
> Epoxy?

I've used the Sherwin-Williams two-part epoxy on concrete, and
it's great.


> I'm also considering putting plywood down as a first line of defense
> against damage (remove & replace when it gets too beat-up) and to stop

Sounds good.

> small parts from dropping between the floorboards.  I also thought
> about putting in a trap door for undercar access.

If you are SURE the floor will hold.



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This Week In NASCAR w/Eli Gold (L)    06/22    8:00-9:00PM      PSN
      (and many Prime affiliates, check local listings. The guest will
        be Johnny Benson Jr.)
WORLD MOTORCYCLE GP, NURBURGRING (T)  06/23    1:00-2:00AM      ESPN
IHRA SUPERNATIONALS (T)               06/23    2:00-3:00AM      ESPN2
Monster Trucks                        06/23    3:00-4:00AM      ESPN2
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, BRISTOL (L)       06/23    9:00-10:30PM     ESPN
NASCAR, GOODY'S DASH 150 (?)          06/23   11:00PM-12:30AM   ESPN2
DW's Racing Weekly                    06/23    11:00-11:30PM    FAM
SpeedWeek                             06/24    12:30-1:00AM     ESPN
SCORE, BAJA 500 (T)                   06/24    1:00-2:00AM      ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, BRISTOL (T)       06/24    3:30-5:00AM      ESPN
SpeedWeek                             06/24    6:00-6:30AM      ESPN
MotoWorld II                          06/24    7:00-7:30AM      ESPN2
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, ODESSA (T)        06/24    9:00-11:00AM     TNN
MotorWeek                             06/24    10:00-10:30AM    WGN
NASCAR Today                          06/24    11:00-11:30AM    ESPN
DW's Racing Weekly                    06/24   11:30AM-12:00PM   FAM
Truckin' USA w/Ed Bruce               06/24    1:30-2:00PM      TNN
NHRA Today w/Steve Evans              06/24    2:00-2:30PM      TNN
AMA, 125cc MOTOCROSS (?)              06/24    2:30-3:30PM      ESPN2
Inside Winston Cup w/Ned Jarrett      06/24    2:30-3:00PM      TNN
Trucks & Tractor Power                06/24    3:00-3:30PM      TNN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace(Earnhardt's kids)06/24    3:30-4:00PM      TNN
1992 Supercross Thrills & Spills      06/24    3:30-4:00PM      ESPN2
IHRA, SPRING NATIONALS, BRISTOL (T)   06/24    4:00-5:00PM      ESPN
IMSA WSC, MOOSEHEAD GRAND PRIX (?)    06/24    4:00-5:00PM      ESPN2
NASCAR NORTHWEST, PORTLAND (L)        06/24    5:00-7:00PM      ESPN
Secrets Of Speed (Bimmers)            06/24    5:00-5:30PM      ESPN2
MotorWeek                             06/24    5:00-5:30PM      MPT
INDYCAR POLE QUALIFYING (?)           06/24    7:00-8:00PM      ESPN2
NASCAR ALL PRO, BRISTOL (L)           06/24    8:00-10:00PM     ESPN
ESPN2 LIGHTNING (?)                   06/24    8:00-10:00PM     ESPN2
AMA SUPERCROSS SERIES (?)             06/24    10:00-11:00PM    ESPN2
'95 NASCAR Mid-Season Report          06/25    12:30-1:00AM     ESPN
UNLIMITED HYDROPLANES, PHOENIX (T)    06/25    1:00-2:00AM      ESPN
This Week In Motor Sports             06/25    1:30-2:00AM      WGN
MotoWorld                             06/25    2:30-3:00AM      ESPN
IHRA, SPRING NATIONALS, BRISTOL (T)   06/25    3:00-4:00AM      ESPN
BARBER PRO, LIME ROCK (T)             06/25    4:00-4:30AM      ESPN
NASCAR, GOODY'S DASH 150 (?)          06/25    8:30-10:00AM     ESPN2
Shadetree Mechanic (gages)            06/25    9:00-9:30AM      TNN
The Best Of Shadetree Mechanic        06/25    9:30-10:00AM     TNN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace(Earnhardt's kids)06/25    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
NASCAR ALL PRO 250 (?)                06/25   10:00AM-12:00PM   ESPN2
NHRA Today w/Steve Evans              06/25    10:30-11:00AM    TNN
Inside Winston Cup w/Ned Jarrett      06/25    11:00-11:30AM    TNN
RaceDay w/Rick Benjamin (L)           06/25   11:30AM-12:00PM   TNN
Inside Drag Racing                    06/25    12:00-12:30PM    ESPN2
Super Chevy Car Show                  06/25    12:30-1:00PM     ESPN2
BUSCH GN, WATKINS GLEN (L)            06/25    1:30-4:00PM      CBS
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (L)                 06/25    3:30-6:30PM      TSN
ASA, BRAINERD, MN (L)                 06/25    4:00-6:30PM      TNN
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (L)                 06/25    4:00-6:30PM      ESPN
MotoWorld II                          06/25    4:30-5:00PM      ESPN2
NHRA, SPRINGNATIONALS, COLUMBUS (T)   06/25    5:00-6:00PM      ABC
NHRA Today w/Steve Evans              06/25    6:30-7:00PM      TNN
TOYOTA ATLANTIC (?)                   06/25    7:00-7:30PM      ESPN2
Inside Winston Cup w/Ned Jarrett      06/25    7:00-7:30PM      TNN
RaceDay w/Rick Benjamin (L)           06/25    7:30-8:00PM      TNN
Road Test Magazine w/Don Garlits      06/25    11:00-11:30PM    TNN
Truckin' USA w/Ed Bruce               06/25   11:30PM-12:00AM   TNN
RaceDay Update w/Rick Benjamin (L)    06/26    12:00-12:05AM    TNN
American Sports Cavalcade             06/26    12:05-1:30AM     TNN
TOYOTA ATLANTIC, MONTREAL (T)         06/26    12:30-1:00AM     ESPN
AMA SUPERCROSS, CLEVELAND (T)         06/26    1:00-2:00AM      ESPN
ESPN2 LIGHTNING (T)                   06/26    1:00-3:00AM      ESPN2
Trucks & Tractor Power                06/26    1:30-2:00AM      TNN
NASCAR ALL PRO, BRISTOL (T)           06/26    4:30-6:00AM      ESPN
MotorWeek                             06/26    5:00-5:30AM      WGN
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (T)                 06/26    8:30-11:00AM     TSN
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (T)                 06/26    1:00-3:30PM      ESPN
MotoWorld                             06/26    5:00-5:30PM      ESPN
WORLD MOTORCYCLE GRAND PRIX, ITALY (T)06/26    7:30-8:30PM      ESPN2
ESPN2 LIGHTNING (T)                   06/27    4:00-6:00PM      ESPN2
TOYOTA ATLANTIC, MONTREAL (T)         06/27    5:00-5:30PM      ESPN
PORCH SUPERCUP, SPAIN (T)             06/27    5:30-6:00PM      ESPN
'95 NASCAR Mid-Season Report          06/27    6:00-6:30PM      ESPN
INDYCAR, PORTLAND (T)                 06/28    1:30-4:00PM      ESPN
NASCAR NORTHWEST, PORTLAND (T)        06/29    3:00-5:00AM      ESPN
INDY LIGHTS, NAZARETH (T)             06/29    5:00-5:30AM      ESPN
This Week In NASCAR w/Eli Gold (L)    06/29    8:00-9:00PM      PSN
      (and many Prime affiliates, check local listings. The guest will
        be some guy named Dale)
DW's Racing Weekly                    06/30    11:00-11:30PM    FAM

                  ----------COMING EVENTS----------

WINSTON CUP, DAYTONA (L)              07/01    11:00AM          ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, MILWAUKEE (?)     07/01    tba              CBS
PORCH SUPERCUP, SAN MARINO (T)        07/01    3:00-3:30PM      ESPN2
ASA, HAWKEYE DOWNS, CEDAR RAPIDS (L)  07/01   10:00PM-12:00AM   TNN
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (L)    07/02    7:30-10:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (L)    07/02    7:50-10:00AM     ESPN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (AMA Supercross) 07/02    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
BUSCH GN, MILWAUKEE (L)               07/02    2:00-5:00PM      TNN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (AMA Supercross) 07/02    5:00-5:30PM      TNN
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (SD)   07/02    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (T)    07/03    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, MAGNY-COURS, FRANCE (SD)   07/03    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, SPAIN (T)           07/08    12:30-1:00PM     ESPN2
BUSCH NORTH, LOUDON (L)               07/08    1:00-4:00PM      TNN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (small tracks)   07/09    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
WINSTON CUP, LOUDON (L)               07/09    1:00-5:00PM      TNN
INDYCAR, ELKHART LAKE (L)             07/09    1:30-4:00PM      TSN
INDYCAR, ELKART LAKE (L)              07/09    2:00-4:30PM      ESPN
ASA, SALEM, IN (?)                    07/09    tba              PSN
NHRA, NATIONALS, TOPEKA (T)           07/09    5:00PM           ABC
INDYCAR, ELKHART LAKE (T)             07/10    8:30-11:00AM     TSN
INDYCAR, ELKART LAKE (T)              07/10    3:00-5:30PM      ESPN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, MONACO (T)          07/11    12:30-1:00AM     ESPN
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, WATKINS GLEN (T)   07/15    1:00PM           ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, ERIE, CO (?)      07/15    tba              tba
INDYCAR, QUALIFYING, TORONTO,CANADA(L)07/15    5:00-6:00PM      CBC
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, MONACO (T)          07/15    5:00-5:30PM      ESPN2
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (L)  07/16    8:30-11:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (L)  07/16    8:50-11:00AM     ESPN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Humpy Wheeler)  07/16    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
WINSTON CUP, POCONO (L)               07/16    1:00PM           TBS
INDYCAR, TORONTO (L)                  07/16    1:30-3:30PM      ABC
INDYCAR, TORONTO, CANADA (L)          07/16    1:30-4:00PM      CBC
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Humpy Wheeler)  07/16    2:30-3:00PM      TNN
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (SD) 07/16    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (T)  07/17    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (SD) 07/17    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
INDYCAR, TORONTO (T)                  07/17    1:00-3:00PM      ESPN
BUSCH GN, TALLADEGA (L)               07/22    2:00-4:30PM      TNN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, FRANCE (T)          07/22    3:00-3:30PM      ESPN2
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Indy rookies)   07/23    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
WINSTON CUP, TALLADEGA (L)            07/23    1:15PM           CBS
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Indy rookies)   07/23    2:30-3:00PM      TNN
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (L)                07/23    3:00-5:00PM      ABC
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (SD)               07/23    8:30-11:00PM     TSN
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (T)                07/24    12:30-3:00PM     TSN
NHRA, MILE HIGH NATIONALS, DENVER (T) 07/24    7:30PM           ESPN
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (T)                07/25    3:00-5:00PM      ESPN
IMSA, SEARS POINT (T)                 07/27    5:00-6:00PM      ESPN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, GREAT BRITAIN (T)   07/29    1:00-1:30PM      ESPN2
IROC #4, MICHIGAN                     07/29 (live coverage is unlikely)
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, TOPEKA (L)        07/29    3:00-5:00PM      TNN
BUSCH GN, SOUTH BOSTON (L)            07/29    5:00-7:00PM      TNN
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, ELKART LAKE (T)    07/29    5:30PM           ESPN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY (L)    07/30    7:30-10:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY (L)    07/30    7:50-10:00AM     ESPN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Safety Safari)  07/30    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (L)                 07/30    11:30-3:30PM     TSN
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (L)                 07/30    2:30-6:00PM      ABC
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Safety Safari)  07/30    2:30-3:00PM      TNN
ASA, HEARTLAND PARK, TOPEKA (L)       07/30    3:00PM           TNN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, FRANCE (T)          07/30    6:30-7:00PM      ESPN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY  (SD)  07/30    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY  (T)   07/31    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY  (SD)  07/31    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (T)                 07/31    12:30-4:00PM     TSN
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (T)                 07/31    1:00-4:30PM      ESPN
NHRA, CALIFORNIA NATIONALS, SONOMA (T)07/31    7:30PM           ESPN
IMSA, PORTLAND (T)                    08/03    1:00-2:00PM      ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, INDIANAPOLIS (?)  08/03    tba              tba
BUSCH GN, INDIANAPOLIS (?)            08/04    tba              tba
BRICKYARD 400 (L)                     08/05    12:00PM          ABC
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, ELKART LAKE (T)    08/06    3:30PM           ESPN
NHRA, NORTHWEST NATIONALS, SEATTLE (T)08/07    8:30PM           ESPN
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, SEARS POINT (T)    08/12    2:00AM           ESPN
FORMULA 1, BUDAPEST, HUNGARY (L)      08/13    7:30-10:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BUDAPEST, HUNGARY (L)      08/13    7:50-10:00AM     ESPN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, GERMANY (T)         08/13    12:00-12:30PM    ESPN2
WINSTON CUP, WATKINS GLEN (L)         08/13    1:00PM           ESPN
INDYCAR, LEXINGTON, OH (L)            08/13    2:30-5:00PM      TSN
INDYCAR, LEXINGTON, OH (L)            08/13    3:00-5:00PM      ABC
FORMULA 1, BUDAPEST, HUNGARY (SD)     08/13    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, BUDAPEST, HUNGARY (T)      08/14    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BUDAPEST, HUNGARY (SD)     08/14    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
INDYCAR, LEXINGTON, OH (T)            08/14    4:00-6:00PM      ESPN
INDYCAR, LEXINGTON, OH (T)            08/15    12:30-3:00PM     TSN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, FLEMINGTON (L)    08/19    tba              TNN
BUSCH GN, MICHIGAN (?)                08/19    tba              tba
ASA, ANDERSON, IN (?)                 08/19    tba              PSN
WoO, KNOXVILLE NATIONALS (L)          08/19   10:00PM-12:00AM   TNN
INDYCAR, LOUDON (L)                   08/20    12:30-3:00PM     TSN
INDYCAR, LOUDON (L)                   08/20    1:00-3:00PM      ESPN
WINSTON CUP, MICHIGAN (L)             08/20    12:30PM          ESPN
INDYCAR, LOUDON (T)                   08/21    8:30-11:00AM     TSN
NHRA, NATIONALS, BRAINERD (T)         08/21    9:30PM           ESPN
INDYCAR, LOUDON (T)                   08/22    7:30-9:30PM      ESPN
BUSCH GN, BRISTOL (?)                 08/25    tba              tba
WINSTON CUP, BRISTOL (L)              08/26    7:40PM           ESPN
FORMULA 1, BELGIUM (SPA) (L)          08/27    7:30-10:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BELGIUM (SPA) (L)          08/27    7:50-10:00AM     ESPN
ASA, MILWAUKEE (?)                    08/27    tba              TNN
FORMULA 1, BELGIUM (SPA) (SD)         08/27   11:30PM-2:00AM    CBCE
FORMULA 1, BELGIUM (SPA) (T)          08/28    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BELGIUM (SPA) (SD)         08/28    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, GREAT BRITAIN (T)   08/29    1:00-1:30AM      ESPN
IMSA, BRAINERD (T)                    08/29    1:30-3:30PM      ESPN

* Network Designations

A&E      Arts & Entertainment Network
AMC      American Movie Classics
CBCE     Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (East)
CBCF     Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (French)?
CBCW     Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (West)
CBCM     Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (Montreal)
DIS      The Disney Channel
EMPS     Regional Sports Network (New York)
ENC      Encore
ESPN     ESPN Sports Network
ESPN2    ESPN Sports Network 2
FAM      The Family Channel (a NASCAR team sponsor!)
HBO      Home Box Office
HIST     The History Channel
HSE      Regional Sports Network (Houston)
HTS      Regional Sports Network (Baltimore & DC)
KBL      Regional Sports Network (Pittsburg)
MAX      Cinemax
MPT      Maryland Public TV
MSC      Midwest Sports Channel
MSG      Madison Square Garden
MTV      Music(?) Television
PASS     Regional Sports Network (Detroit)
PBS      Public TV (USA)
PRTK     Regional Sports Network (LA)
PSRM     Prime Sports Network (Rocky Mountains)
PSN      Prime Sports Network
PSN2     Prime Sports Network (Midwest & Mountains)
PSNW     Prime Sports Network (Northwest)
PSSW     Prime Sports Network (Southwest)
PSW      Prime Sports Network (West)
NESN     New England Sports Network
QVC      home shopping
RDS      Reseau Des Sports (Canada - French)
SCC      Sports Channel Chicago
SCNE     Sports Channel New England
SCNY     Sports Channel New York
SCOH     Sports Channel Ohio
SCP      Sports Channel Pacific
SCPH     Sports Channel Philly
SHOW     Showtime
SPTS     Sport South Network
SRC      Societe Radio-Canada (French)
SUN      Sunshine Network (Regional Sports Network, SE USA)
TBS      Atlanta "Super Station"
TNN      The Nashville Network
TSN      The Sports Network (Canada - English)
USA      USA Network
WDCA     Washington, DC
WGN      Chicago "Super Station"
WJZ      Baltimore
WOR      New York "Super Station"

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From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun 23 12:58:21 1995
From: Hotrod List 
To: Hotrod_users@dsea.com
Subject: NOTE 06/22/95 14:59:00
X-Archives: ece.rutgers.edu
X-Comment: Send subscription and drop requests to hotrod-request@dsea.com
X-Comment: Send comments and trouble reports to frank@dsea.com
X-From: "Dave Collins   (3" 

I sent this yesterday, but haven't seen it yet.  Sorry if this is a 
duplication.

--steve
0.........1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7.
...
Frequently asked questions about R-12 (Freon (c)) and alternatives.

This is my first attempt at a FAQ, so bear with me.  You can reach me 
via email at sravet@bangate.compaq.com if you want to comment, make 
suggestions, etc.

Parts of this document are short, because I don't necessarily know the 
whole answer to the question.  If you know something about one of these 
questions, feel free to email me with the information.  If you have 
suggestions for additional questions and answers, feel free to email me.

I will acknowledge up front that I view a lot of environmental 
regulation as extremely suspicious.  That viewpoint probably comes 
across in this document.  The point is, I welcome any comments about 
this document, pro or con, as long as they contain factual data.  Eco-
nazis and actors/actresses who are long on opinion but short on fact 
need not bother writing to me.

DISCLAIMER:
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Please note that while I have tried to make this document as correct as 
possible, there are inevetably going to be some errors.  Something that 
is legal today may very well not be legal tomorrow, and you are urged to 
call the EPA and your state to verify the legality of any A/C service 
you wish to perform.  Some states have their own restrictions in 
addition to the EPA guidelines.  The EPA has an ozone hotline (run at a 
profit by a private company, of course.)  It can be reached at 1-800-
296-1996.  Sometimes they have the correct answers to questions.

This FAQ is a source of facts on R-12, and other alternatives for mobile 
A/C systems.  It is not a tutorial on automotive A/C service.  Fixing 
your car's A/C is no more difficult and no more dangerous than changing 
plugs, replacing a distributor, or any other type of service that people 
typically do themselves to save money.  You do, however, need to have 
the proper tools and knowledge to work on A/C.  There are many fine 
books out there on this subject.

These opinions herein are mine, and although they are widespread, they 
do not represent the opinions of anyone but myself.
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Table of Contents:
1)  What is R-406a (aka GHG Refrigerant 12 substitute)?
2)  What is HC-12a?
3)  What is OZ-12?
4)  What is R-134a?
5)  How does R-12 hurt the ozone layer?
6)  What about flammability?
7)  Who is MACS?
8)  How do the EPA regulations affect the A/C DIYer?
9)  Numbers and addresses of the players.
10) Where can I get more infomation about this stuff?

Appendix A:  People


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1)  What is R-406a?
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R-406a, formerly known as GHG R-12 substitute, is an ozone friendlier, 
R-12 compatible drop in refrigerant.  It was invented by George Goble, 
who has a couple of patents on it.  (ghg@ecn.purdue.edu, 
http://ghg.ecn.purdue.edu/).  It is a three part blend of 55% HCFC-22, 
41% HCFC-142b, and 4% isobutane. It is compatible with the rubber seals 
and hoses, and with the mineral oils used in R-12 systems.  In addition, 
it offers somewhat better performance than R-12.  It is 95% less ozone 
depleting than R-12.  (ODP of .05 vs. 1.0 for R-12).

R-406a was initially tested in August 1990 in three cars.  By 1992, 
approximately 500 vehicles had this blend installed.  Out of 500 cars, 
only one car suffered A/C system failure.  Analysis showed that the 
Teflon piston rings had failed, which is a common failure mode for this 
particular compressor according to local mechanics.

R-406A may leak faster through "nitrile rubber" hoses, mostly found in 
foreign made cars, and port-of-entry add-on A/C systems.  Most American 
cars, have used "barrier hoses" for years, and these work fine.  All 
replacement hoses are of the "barrier" type now.

R-406a yielded a 4 to 13 degree F decrease in discharge air temperature 
over that of CFC-12 at ambient temperatures over 80 degrees F.  
Compressor discharge temperatures were also approximately 20 degrees F 
higher than comparable R-12 systems, but still low enough to prevent 
refrigerant or oil breakdown.

R-406a has been tested with CRYO-SILANE, a commercial A/C system sealant 
and was determined to be compatible.  Cryo-Silane is effective at 
stopping leaks that fall into the three week to one year leak rate.

Since R-406a is a blend, a system should be evacuated before filling.  
The three components have different leak rates, so topping off would 
result in altered concentrations.  In addition, R-406A (and all other 
blends) have to be charged as a LIQUID (yes, on the low-side, but bottle 
upside-down) because each substance has a different vapor pressure (thus 
different rate of release as a gas).  But, you have to be careful to 
monitor the suction pressure and ensure that the flow from the can is 
gradual.  If it gets above a certain point, you'll be sucking liquid and 
the pump will fail.

This mix does contain Iso-butane, which is required to disolve the oil, 
but has been shown to be non-flammable in this blend, or weakly 
flammable in the worst case scenario.  It has been classified as A1/A2 
by ASHREA.  Topping off could result in higher concentrations of 
isobutane, which is why this practice should be avoided.  Several things 
should be noted here, namely that _any_ refrigerant can be "flammable" 
if it contains dissolved oil and a rapid release occurs.  The oil 
atomizes and can be ignited.  In addition, any refrigerant that contains 
hydrogen atoms (HCFCs) can be flammable when mixed with large amounts of 
air under pressure.  This includes R-406a, the EPA approved R-134a, R-
22, etc.  For this reason these refrigerants should not be mixed with 
air under pressure.

This mixture is EPA approved as a drop in replacement for R-12 in a 
variety of applications except automotive uses, and is approved for 
automobiles in Canada and lots of other countries. The manufacturer has 
not sought EPA certification for mobile applications in the US, which is 
why it is not approved.  See the question about EPA regulations for more 
details.  You do have to have a federal license to purchase R-406a, see 
the question about MACS for details.

IT IS CURRENTLY ILLEGAL TO PUT R-406a INTO ANY MOBILE A/C UNIT.

R-406a can be purchased from:
Monroe Air Tech
Bloomington, IN
1-800-424-3836.


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2)  What is HC-12a?
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HC-12a is manufactured by OZ Technology as a direct R-12 and R-134a 
replacement requiring no retrofit.  It is a second generation product 
that replaces OZ-12.  It is a patented hydrocarbon blend of unknown 
composition.  It has 0 ODP and 8 GWP.  It is compatible with any system 
containing R-12 or R-134a, including both mineral and synthetic oils, 
rubbers, metals, etc.  It is up to 30% more efficient than R-12, which 
reduces load on the compressor and engine.  Since it is a hydrocarbon 
blend, it is flammable.  It has had a strong odor added to help identify 
leaking systems.  DOE studies have shown that the risk of HC based 
refrigerants in mobile A/C units is negligible.

The EPA banned it for use in mobile applications on June 2, 1995.  The 
ban will take effect 30 days after publication in the Federal Register, 
which should be mid-July 1995.  Approval was removed due to flammability 
concerns.  OZ technology has not done a risk assessment to determine if 
there is a flammability hazard.

IT IS CURRENTLY LEGAL TO PUT HC-12a INTO A MOBILE A/C UNIT, BUT IT WILL 
BE ILLEGAL TO DO THIS BY MID JULY 1995

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3)  What is OZ-12?
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OZ-12 was the first-generation R-12 replacement from OZ Technology. It 
is a hydrocarbon based refrigerant of unknown composition.  It has been 
supplanted by HC-12a.  It has been banned by the EPA for over a year due 
to flammability concerns.

IT IS CURRENTLY ILLEGAL TO PUT OZ-12 INTO ANY MOBILE A/C UNIT.

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4)  What is R-134a?
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R-134a is the current replacement for R-12.  Most new cars manufactured 
now have R-134a in their air conditioning systems, and all manufacturers 
plan to move solely to R-134a by the end of 1995.  It is a retrofit 
rather than a replacement, as it requires some parts to be replaced 
before it can be placed into an R-12 system.  R-134a is not compatible 
with the mineral oil used in R-12 systems, and uses a PAG (polyalkylene 
glycol) based oil instead.  This oil is not compatible with the rubbers 
typically used in an R-12 system, so at a minimum all O rings and hoses 
must be replaced.  In addition, R-134a has 20-30% less cooling capacity 
than R-12.  Newer systems are designed with this in mind, but older 
systems just will not provide as much cooling capacity if they are 
converted to R-134a.  In addition, R-134a will react with the aluminum 
chlorides left behind fron R-12 and form acids that eat at system 
components.  These chlorides form on the surface of aluminum parts that 
are exposed to R-12.

There are other problems with the oils used with R-134a.  PAG oils may 
be destroyed from residual aluminum chloride coating the insides of 
pipes, etc, left over from when R-12 was in the system.  These chlorides 
cannot be flushed out and are not present in "new cars".  "Ester oils" 
(POE) are more tolerant of the chlorides, but are still 10X more 
moisture sensitive than R-12 mineral oil.  PAG oil is about 100X more 
moisture sensitive. Ester oils have less lubricity than PAG oils.

R-134a is flammable when mixed with air and placed under pressure, as 
are all HFC refrigerants, including R-406a, R-22, and others.  PAG based 
oils are skin irritants and require impervious gloves to be worn when 
handling.  R-134a can irritate the eyes, nose and throat.  Exposure to 
R-134a has been shown to cause benign tumors in lab animals, under the 
non-realistic conditions of 5% atmospheric content over 2 years.  
Contrast this with R-12 and mineral oil, which are known safe under all 
conditions.

IT IS CURENTLY LEGAL TO PUT R-134a INTO A MOBILE A/C SYSTEM

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5)  How does R-12 hurt the ozone layer?
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The ozone layer is formed in the stratosphere when ultraviolet light 
breaks apart normal oxygen molecules (O2) and causes them to form ozone 
molecules (O3).  In this process, the ultraviolet light is absorbed, 
which is why the ozone layer helps protect the earth from ultraviolet 
light.  Exposure to ultraviolet light increases the chance of aquiring 
skin cancer, and is thought to depress the immune system.  So ozone in 
the upper atmosphere is a good thing.

Current theory holds that chloro-fluoro-carbons (CFCs), once released, 
work their way into the upper atmosphere (stratosphere), where the 
chlorine atom is stripped from the CFC by the ultraviolet light.  The 
chlorine atom then reacts with the naturally occurring ozone and changes 
it into normal oxygen.  The chlorine is a catalyst in this reaction, 
which means that it enables the reaction to take place, without actually 
being used in the reaction.  The chemical reactions  that form and 
deplete the ozone are:

Ozone forming (good)
(1)  O2 + UV -> O + O		(UV is ultraviolet light)
(2)  O2 + O -> O3

Ozone depleting (bad)
(2)  Cl + O3 -> ClO + O2
(3)  ClO + O -> O2 + Cl

Notice that after both the depletion reactions occur, the chlorine atom 
that started the whole thing is still hanging around to cause problems.  
This is why the CFCs are bad for the ozone.  The chlorines cause the 
ozone to be destroyed, but aren't used up in the process.  What's not 
clear is the rates of reaction 1 and 2 versus 3 and 4.  In other words, 
how fast is ozone produced versus how fast is it destroyed.  Another 
question is that if the ozone layer is depleted somewhat, and more UV 
light makes it into the atmosphere, why doesn't it form another ozone 
layer just below where the first one is supposed to be?

Other references on ozone are:

Description of how chlorine affects the stratosphere
http://icair.iac.org.nz/ozone/ozone.html

Greenpeace Ozone crisis page
http://www.cyberstore.ca/greenpeace/ozone/ozonehome.html

There is a very good FAQ on ozone depletion posted periodically to 
news.answers.  It is very readable and provides much more information 
than I have provided here.

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Most of the proposed drop-in alternatives for R-12 contain flammable 
materials.  In November of 1991, the DOE commissioned a preliminary 
study of the risks involved.  The conclusion of the report is that the 
risk of fire and/or explosion is very remote.  The full text if 
available from NTIS.  I quote relevant portions of the document below:

"Non-inert Refrigerant Study for Automotive applications"
Prepared for US Dept of Energy
by Arthur D Little
John Dieckmann
Jeffrey Bentley

Page 36
"The event of most concern involve a rapid release of refrigerant into 
the engine or occupant compartment.  Vehicle crashes are the only likely 
source of a significant number of accidental releases."

"The risk of injury from leaks into the occupant compartment is likely 
to be very small with current designes because 1)  the interior A/C 
components are robust and well isolated from front/side crashes; 2) no 
credible ignition sources were found _inside_ the occupant compartment; 
3) window blowout is predicted to occur before explosive overpressures 
reach the level required for injury; and 4) the thermal pulse from an 
explosive event would have insufficient energy to cause life threatening 
injuries.  With a conventional A/C system, ... the risk of refrigerant 
release and ignition in the occupant compartment appears to be very 
small, approximately 3x10^7 such incidents per automobile, per year.  
With approximately 140 million passenger vehicles in service, 
approximately 40 incidents per year would occur if no A/C system design 
changes were made.  As discussed in section 6.3, we believe that this 
estimate may overstate the risk considerably, as no evidence was 
developed that indicates that evaporators and connecting lines within 
the passenger compatrment are damaged to the point of leakage in even 
the most severe collisions."

"For engine compartment leaks in an A/C system of conventional design we 
estimate:
 - Engine refrigerant leakage will occur in a significant number (17%) 
of "towaway accidents
 - Jet mixing and dispersion will limit the probability of formation of 
a flammable mixture in the vicinity of an ignition source.
 - Only high energy ignition sources (broken battery cables, overheated 
catalyst jacket) are likely to cause ignition
 - Explosive overpressures in the engine compartment will be limited 
below levels of concern (<<1 psi) due to venting out the bottom of 
the engine compartment.
 - Conventional systems will have an incidence of fire on the order of 
14 to 50 per million vehicles resulting primarily from ignition of 
refrigerant while it is leaking."

"With relatively minor redesign we estimate the annual incidence of 
engine compartment fire will be reduced to less that one fire per 
million cars."

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7)  Who is MACS?
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MACS is the group mostly responsible for the current state of affairs in 
mobile A/C.  MACS stands for Mobile Air Conditioning Society.  They are 
the group that petitioned the EPA to outlaw alternatives, in spite of 
the fact that the EPA admitted that there was no environmental reason to 
ban the alternatives.  As if that wasn't enough, you now have to pay 
MACS for the priveledge of buying the freon and alternatives that they 
were so successful at driving the price of up.  Note that you need a 
license to purchase any sort of refrigerant these days.  Here's how to 
get the your very own federal license to purchase refrigerants:

1:  Send $20 to MACS.
2:  In a couple days you'll get a test and study materials in the mail.  
Read the study guide (27 pages), take the test at your leisure (it's 
open book, but you can't get help from anyone else.)
3:  Send the test back in.  If you answered 21 of the 25 questions 
correctly, then you are smart enough to buy refrigerants and they will 
send you a license in 4-6 weeks.

This test only covers EPA regulations.  It is not intended to teach you 
anything about A/C systems.  Duh, that makes sense.

There are other companies as well, but I do not have any information on 
them.

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8)  How do the EPA regulations affect the A/C DIYer?
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First, there has been some comment on the "service for consideration" 
loophole.  This clause is only in, and only applies to, Section 609 of 
the Clean Air Act.  Section 609 deals with the various certifications 
needed by technicians and the equipment they use.  This "loophole" 
simply states that anyone providing A/C service for free does not have 
to meet the certification requirements set forth in this section.  This 
means that DIYers do not have to be certified technicians, and do not 
have to use approved equipment for refrigerant extraction.  
Specifically, this clause does not apply to alternative refrigerants.  
It is illegal to use anything except approved refrigerants in a mobile 
A/C system.

The ban on venting refrigerants with a non-zero ODP still stands and 
applies to everyone.  Starting in November 1995, refrigerants with GWP 
(global warming potential) also cannot be vented.

The ban on non-approved alternatives still stands, and applies to 
everyone.  Only alternatives listed by the EPAs SNAP (significant new 
alternatives program) may be used in cooling systems.  Currently the 
status of refrigerants for mobile use is:
R-134a:		Legal
R-406a:		Illegal
HC-12a:		Legal, will be illegal by mid July 1995
OZ-12:		Illegal

There last four refrigerants are relative newcomers that I have heard 
of, but do not know much about.
FRIGC:		Being evaluated
R-401C:		Legal, but not sold in the US
RB-276:		Being evaluated
IKON:		Being evaluated

The bottom line is that DIYers can continue to service their air 
conditioners with only minor additional headaches (other than the 800% 
increase in the cost of R-12, courtesy of the US government).  First, 
you have to take the MACS test (or equivalent) to get the federal 
license to purchase refrigerants.  Second, you must have recovery 
equipment.  This does not have to be certified equipment.  The only 
requirements are:  "the equipment must not vent to the atmosphere, and 
it must be capable of pulling at least 104mm of vacuum."  [Jeff Levy]  
My calculator tells me that 104mm of vacuum is about 4 inches, which 
isn't very much.  That's probably a misprint, but that's the information 
that I have.  All refrigerant recovered from the system must be returned 
for reclaiming.  Recovered refrigerants must be stored in a DOT approved 
container, marked 4BW or 4BA.  The cylinders used by propane grills and 
on campers meet this specification.  There are additional requirements, 
such as requiring shut off valves on all service hoses within 12 inches 
of the end of the hose, to prevent refrigerant trapped in hoses and 
gauges from being vented.  This refrigerant must be returned to an 
approved facility for reclaiming.

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9)  Numbers and addresses of the players
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EPA 
Ozone hotline:  1-800-296-1996
http://www.epa.gov
bbs: telnet ttnbbs.rtpnc.epa.gov

MACS
PO Box 97
East Greenville, PA, 18041
(800) 609-6227
(215) 679-2229
(215) 541-4635 (fax)

OZ Technology
1 208 664-6196

Monroe Air Tech (R-406A)
1 800 424-3836

Socity of Automotive Engineers (SAE)
1 412 776-4841

Greenpeace ozone crisis page
http://www.cyberstore.ca/greenpeace/ozone/ozonehome.html

NTIS, National Technical Information Service
US Dept of Commerce
Springfield, VA 22161
(703) 487 4650

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10) Where can I get more infomation about this stuff?
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Here are references for material about the information in this FAQ.  I 
have not read/looked at all of these.  I make to claims as to their 
factual validity.


"Trashing the Planet"
A book against the current EPA position on refrigerants and the ozone 
layer.  I have no additional information about this book as far as 
author or ISBN number.

"Holes in the Ozone"
Another book against the current EPA position on refrigerants.  I have 
no additional information about this book.

"Atmospheric ozone"
http://icair.iac.org.nz/ozone/ozone.html
A brief description of how ozone depletion occurs.

"US EPA Stratospheric Ozone Home Page"
http://www.epa.gov/docs/ozone/

"Usenet FAQ on ozone depletion"
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu:80/text/faq/usenet/ozone-
depletion/top.html
This is a FAQ that exhaustively covers questions and answers on ozone 
depletion.  It is also posted regularly to news.answers

"Government Publications Online"
http://thorplus.lib.purdue.edu:80/gpo/
Electronically searchable index of government publications.  Searches 
may be performed on House and Senate bills, the Federal Register, US 
Code, etc.

"EPA Internet BBS"
The EPA also has an internet BBS, which I do not have the address of.

"Ozone crisis page"
http://www.cyberstore.ca/greenpeace/ozone/ozonehome.html
A WWW page sponsored by Greenpeace about ozone depletion.


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Appendix A -- People
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Thanks to the following people for providing useful information:
Jeff Levy		levy.jeffrey@epamail.epa.gov]
George Goble		ghg@ecn.purdue.edu
Rob Lockhart
Greenpeace



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Hotrod List writes:
> cure...order their low resistance bushing/carbon rod..(MSD part
> #8412).  Has anyone else had this problem?  And now that I think of it
> a hotter coil and an MSD6A may be an over kill..  my idea was that the
> MSD6A produces multi sparks under 3,000 rpm and the hotter coil (stock
> GM HEI is 38,000 volts/Hypertech is 53,000 volts) would cover above
> 3,000 rpm....I am using Moroso Blue/Max wires and AC 906 (Pt) gapped at
> .050".  Any comments or collective wisdom on this? Thanks.

Above 3K the MSD is still a big honking CDI.  With the MSD + high
voltage coil you are probably wasting a lot of current...  you'd
probably get better results with the stock HEI coil (or maybe
an MSD external coil kit and a Blaster-3).  I'm fairly certain
MSD will also reccomend the oem HEI coil over any aftermarket high-volt
job (at least they did for my 91 truck with an external coil...
didn't even try to sell me a Blaster-X, just said the stock HEI coil
works great with the MSD (good windings ratio for use with CDI)
and no reason to swap it).

-- 
Jonathan R. Lusky                        lusky@knuth.mtsu.edu
http://www.edge.net/~lusky/                 (615) 726-8700
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68 Camaro Convertible - 350 / TH350  \_/ 80 Toyota Celica - 20R / 5spd

From hotrod@dsea.com Mon Jun 26 13:09:05 1995
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Subject: Re: Gauges (was: temp gauge question)
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Hotrod List writes:
> 
> >I want to keep a closer eye on the coolant temp of my 65 327 El
> >Camino.  I have the factory in dash gauges which includes an electrical
> >temp gauge. I want to install an aftermarket temp gauge in the glovebox
> >to see what the temp really is. The question.  Does the factory
> >electric sending unit on the intake work with say an aftermarket
> >electric temp gauge. Are the sending units all calibrated the same? I
> 
> Hmmm - I suspect the electrical gauges work by running a fixed voltage
> to ground.  It would seem the resistance of sending unit changes with
> temperature.
 
Every single model of gauge pretty much will have a different sender
calibration.  I had a heckuva time trying to find the right temp sender
to work with the SS454 gauge pack that I put in my '91 GMC c2500.

> As for the small block chevy.  Doesn't the manifold have fitting for
> gauges on both the left and the right side of the water outlet?  I'm
> almost possitive my Torker does.
 
Everyone i have seen has at least two.  Question, tho...  should the
temp guage be in the manifold or the head?  I have mine in the head.

-- 
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http://www.edge.net/~lusky/                 (615) 726-8700
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68 Camaro Convertible - 350 / TH350  \_/ 80 Toyota Celica - 20R / 5spd

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Phil, you problem is not uncommon, with that much power your ignition
system must be in top form.  A friend of mine had the same problem, the
button would melt the cap, and scar the rotor.  After a few caps a
rotors he installed the low resistance button and that solved his
problems.  Other problem spots are wire looms that are to tight and
distributor shaft end play.

I have a similar package as yours a 71 vette with a ZZ3, ported heads
AFR rev-kit, MSD6AL (w/low resistance button),  headers, borla's.
Great motor, lots of low end torque, comes on smooth and keeps going
all the way to 6,500!!!

I'm looking for an overdrive trans. that bolts in.  Have you heard of
anyone with a richmond 4+1, looks real good, but then I gotta change my
diff gears(3.55)?


From hotrod@dsea.com Mon Jun 26 13:21:28 1995
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> I put a Hypertech distributor on my ZZ3 engine which also has a
> MSD6A... problem is the Hypertech fried!  The insulation around the
> carbon rod burnt out and transferred to the top of the rotor into the
> "cup" with the metal connector; this blocked the current and caused an
> intermittent miss until the current burned through the accumulated crud
> on the top of the rotor after running (badly) for a couple of

> Has anyone else had this problem? 

   Not THAT fast, but I've had a MSD6A burn thru rotors and caps.   I've
found that if I use good stuff (Blue Streak, local brand) it lasts for 
about a year.

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--  
            "Hard Acceleration Saves Costly Aggravation"

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From hotrod@dsea.com Mon Jun 26 15:00:44 1995
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You should read the temp in the head.  That is where it is most important.  

SDierolf

From hotrod@dsea.com Mon Jun 26 15:00:50 1995
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>> As for the small block chevy.  Doesn't the manifold have fitting for
>> gauges on both the left and the right side of the water outlet?  I'm
>> almost possitive my Torker does.
> 
>Everyone i have seen has at least two.  Question, tho...  should the
>temp guage be in the manifold or the head?  I have mine in the head.

I really don't know.

I suspect the temperature in the head would be higher.  It might be a
better representation of the hottest water in the engine (exluding
micro-boiling).

On the intake manifold it would be more representative of the average
temp - at least that leaving the motor.

I suspect it really comes down to where is it easier to get to.  With
some header installations, there isn't much room left.  Mechanical
gauges might work better keeping the capilary tube away from headers.

On the other hand on my '79 Pontiac 301, there was fitting in the head
to switch in a one-way valve on the vacuum advance.  Basically, until
the water in the head got hot enough, the engine would see full vacuum
advance.

Does your head mounted sensor react quickly (noticably) to increased
engine loads?  Maybe cylinder head mounting shows more movement/life?

Dirk


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FYI

Just read in "American Rodder": Specialty Equipment Marketing
Association (SEMA) has a hotline for obtaining information about
"clunker" programs.  Open to all automotive hobbyists & enthusiasts -
800-514-7362 - this is part of SEMAs Consumer Awareness Program. In
addition, you can obtain a brochure that gives a brief overview of
clunker laws and other pertinent issues facing enthusiasts today.

Sharen

From hotrod@dsea.com Tue Jun 27 12:40:29 1995
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[Hi- I'm kinda new to the list (been lurking for a while). Doing a
[replica of a CanAm car. Using an aluminum small block.  Is anyone out
[there using reverse cooling? Looks like it may be worth the effort.

Are you on the Kitcar list? kitcar-request@bolis.sf-bay.org

[Got the front suspension set up except for the steering rack. Looks
[like it needs a rack with about 29 inches between inner pivots. Anyone
[know of a chart or table listing the dimensions of various manual
[steering racks? (I won't be surprised to not hear anything on this
[one).

Front-steer of rear-steer? The Fiero rack (front steer) I currently
have installed is about those dimensions (hard to be exact with the
bellows on); I'm considering a Corvette rack for the faster ratios
available, and it is very close;

[Lastly- I'm hard pressed for room between the firewall and engine.
[Anyone know of an A/C compressor that's smaller than a Sanden?
[
[Have a good 1!   Bill Edison

I was looking at a V8 swap kit for a fiero last week, and because of
the lack of space, the alternator and a/c pump have to be relocated low
and below the right hand (front, when in the fiero) side of the block
for clearance; I have a picture that I can scan/send;

with the porcshe transaxle, the engine should be sitting 'inline'
(unlike the fiero transaxle); how does the firewall get in the way?

DaveH
dhewson@ea.com

From hotrod@dsea.com Tue Jun 27 19:03:15 1995
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X-From: Bill Edison 

>X-From: "Hewson, Dave" 
>
>
>[Hi- I'm kinda new to the list (been lurking for a while). Doing a
>[replica of a CanAm car. Using an aluminum small block.  Is anyone out
>[there using reverse cooling? Looks like it may be worth the effort.
>
>Are you on the Kitcar list? kitcar-request@bolis.sf-bay.org

Yep. Sent the same post to both. This is the first reply I've seen!!

>
>[Got the front suspension set up except for the steering rack. Looks
>[like it needs a rack with about 29 inches between inner pivots. Anyone
>[know of a chart or table listing the dimensions of various manual
>[steering racks? (I won't be surprised to not hear anything on this
>[one).
>
>Front-steer of rear-steer? The Fiero rack (front steer) I currently
>have installed is about those dimensions (hard to be exact with the
>bellows on); I'm considering a Corvette rack for the faster ratios
>available, and it is very close;

Front Steer. But it's a mid-engine so I didn't really need (or want)
power steering. Another gizmo to fiddle with in a comfined space, you
know.

>
>[Lastly- I'm hard pressed for room between the firewall and engine.
>[Anyone know of an A/C compressor that's smaller than a Sanden?
>[
>[Have a good 1!   Bill Edison
>
>I was looking at a V8 swap kit for a fiero last week, and because of
>the lack of space, the alternator and a/c pump have to be relocated low
>and below the right hand (front, when in the fiero) side of the block
>for clearance; I have a picture that I can scan/send;

I can imagine. I'll be using the same idea, especially since the TPI
air intake is in the way and my penchant for keeping weight as near the
ground as possible bugs me. There are lots of "Low Mount" brackets
available but they use the block bosses which I've already used to
mount the motor. Looks like I'll be making my own.

>with the porcshe transaxle, the engine should be sitting 'inline'
>(unlike the fiero transaxle); how does the firewall get in the way?

If not for the firewall, you might bump your elbow on the water pump 
pulley!

Cheers, Bill Edison

>
>DaveH
>dhewson@ea.com

From hotrod@dsea.com Wed Jun 28 13:18:17 1995
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Subject: Olds Delta 88 455 build
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I have a 71 Olds Delta 88 convertible with a 455, 2 barrel.  I plan to
pull the engine in a few weeks for a rebuild and would like something
with a few more horses than stock (270).  Besides, the main seal for
the T400 is shot so it seems like a good opportunity.

My goal is about 400 hp, but I want to maintain streetablity, since
this is my daily driver.  The car has a posi-rear (sorry, I don't know
the gearing).  Emissions are not a problem - anything that is older
than '71 in Colorado and doesn't smoke is O.K.

I have about $2500 to work with, excluding the tranny.  Can anyone
offer any experience/suggestions/etc. on building an Olds engine?  What
are some "gotchas"?  Are there any parts houses in the area you can
recommend?

[ The only "gotchas" I ran in to was, when using a non-stock cam, 
lifters and intake ( Edelbrock ) was that the pushrods were never
right.  One really would like an adjustable valve train using a
cam with a base circle that is not exactly like the stock cam.

The second gotcha was with the carb.; the Edelbrock carb. did not
fit on the "matched" Edelbrock intake without a spacer that Edelbrock
did not make.  Further, the stock air cleaner did not sit on the 
carb. without a spacer that Edelbrock did not make.   

If I remember correctly, the replacement intake was about 40 lbs.
lighter than the cast iron original.  Oh, and ARP stainless BB Chevy
intake manifold bolts make PERFECT Olds exhaust manifold bolts.
Buy the 12 point ones and thank me later.  --FEP ]

- Andy (Andy_Mikesell@mail.amsinc.com)


From hotrod@dsea.com Wed Jun 28 17:40:35 1995
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Subject: Re: olds Delta 88 455 build
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>My goal is about 400 hp, but I want to maintain streetablity, since
>this is my daily driver.  The car has a posi-rear (sorry, I don't know
>the gearing).  Emissions are not a problem - anything that is older
>than '71 in Colorado and doesn't smoke is O.K.

To get 400hp you'll want to shoot for max horsepower in the upper
4000rpm range.  As you approach 1hp per cubic inch you need to approach
5200+ rpm.  Given that the average motor makes great torque over about
a 3000rpm spread - sounds like 400hp and streetability would be a
snap.

I haven't seen much in the way of aftermarket parts - I suspect your
going to have to do some research on cylinder heads.

Since your not doing a high rpm screamer you could use the stock short
block.  I would suggest ARP rod bolts and blue print/balance.  I don't
know if you can get ARP's off the shelf for your application.  But if
its 3/8" bolt you should be able to cross match with something else
(look at Chrysler Big Block).

I seriously doubt hypereutectic pistons are an option.  For low rpm,
good cast pistons should do the job.  Alternatively the TRW forged
performance series may have a piston for you.  Generally forged pistons
require more clearance and aren't necessarily needed for the street.
Good, quite cast pistons should be enough.

>I have about $2500 to work with, excluding the tranny.  Can anyone
>offer any experience/suggestions/etc. on building an Olds engine?  What
>are some "gotchas"?  Are there any parts houses in the area you can
>recommend?

If you do the work yourself - a worst case machine shop bill should be
about $1100 with another $700 in parts (pistons, valves, springs, cam
etc.)  I'd say your pretty realistic - but then again I'm never right
on my estimates.

I would guess that a motor with flat top pistons, about 9.5:1
compression with a mild hydraulic cam, heads with large valves and
reasonalble breathing, coupled with a small 4 barrel carb should put
you in the ball park.

>[ The only "gotchas" I ran in to was, when using a non-stock cam, 
>lifters and intake ( Edelbrock ) was that the pushrods were never
>right.  One really would like an adjustable valve train using a
>cam with a base circle that is not exactly like the stock cam.

Yep - those 'wierd' mounts.  Some olds (every one I worked on) had
aluminum pivots etc.  Also Olds (emission era ones anyway) have a
tendancy to eat eshaust valves - note height difference - measure from
spring keeper to top of valve stem.  As long as the base circle of the
cam is close to stock you should be O.K.  When I first noticed the
exhaust valves had worn down I went looking for longer pushrods.  The
only ones out there were custom chrome moly ones.  I think they end up
costing $16 a piece.  It was cheaper to have the heads rebuilt.

Other little things:
1) the metal intake gaskets tends to rust near the water ports.  Lots
of RTV should help.

2) Install timing chain cover before oil pan.

3) Summits own 'brand' double roller timing chain works great - clears
the fuel pump without any problem.  A true roller is only $42.00.

4) curious little thing:  Olds and Pontiac hydraulic lifters have the
same part number - I guess they're the same.

I haven't been into the bottom end of these motors - so I can't say
anything specific.

Dirk


From hotrod@dsea.com Wed Jun 28 17:55:13 1995
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Subject: RE: steering racks
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[Yep. Sent the same post to both. This is the first reply I've seen!!

Hmm.. never saw it from that list; could be delayed/lost;

[>Front-steer of rear-steer? The Fiero rack (front steer) I currently
[>have installed is about those dimensions (hard to be exact with the
[>bellows on); I'm considering a Corvette rack for the faster ratios
[>available, and it is very close;
[
[Front Steer. But it's a mid-engine so I didn't really need (or want)
[power steering. Another gizmo to fiddle with in a comfined space, you
[know.

You don't have to hook up the pump; just fill it with fluid and run a
hose from the input to the output fittings; it will then work as a
'non-power' rack;

[>with the porcshe transaxle, the engine should be sitting 'inline'
[>(unlike the fiero transaxle); how does the firewall get in the way?
[
[If not for the firewall, you might bump your elbow on the water pump
[pulley!

I see; there is a similar problem with the fiero; some V8 kits don't
move the engine/transaxle to the right, and there is virtually no room
for a pulley on the front of the crank as the subframe is in the way;
solution:  they machine the balancer so it becomes a pulley, and the
new a/c and alternator brackets move their pulleys back to be in line
with the balancer; the water pump is replaced with an electric unit,
but I know that wouldn't fit your car;

DaveH

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Subject: Balancers (was RE: steering racks
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[I see; there is a similar problem with the fiero; some V8 kits don't
[move the engine/transaxle to the right, and there is virtually no room
[for a pulley on the front of the crank as the subframe is in the way;
[solution:  they machine the balancer so it becomes a pulley, and the
[new a/c and alternator brackets move their pulleys back to be in line
[with the balancer; the water pump is replaced with an electric unit,
[but I know that wouldn't fit your car;

Here's a line of (possibly) stupid questions:

I believe that the balancer is there to dampen vibrations from the crank;

So...the 'balancer' on the 4.9 FWD Caddy V8 has already been designed as a 
pully; if it fits, could I use it on a chevy small block? BTW, the firing 
order is the same for both;

Any recommendation on a electric water pump that is good for street use? I 
know some are strictly for drag racing;

DaveH

From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 29 12:27:53 1995
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Subject: Re: Olds Delta 88 455 build
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The Edelbrock is just fine if you convert to adjustable rockers.  I'm
running an Edelbrock intake, Crane cam and lifters and a Competition
Cams adjustable valve train kit.  Deburr all the slag you can in the
block and heads inside and out.  It  looks great and keeps your insides
free from damage.  A crank scraper and windage tray is good for about
25 more hp freed up.  Convert to H.E.I. from a later Olds and have it
dialed in at a speed shop with the cam,gears and type of driving you
do.  My carb is from the Carb Shop in Ontario Ca.Oil restrictors and
headers are a good idea.  Porting and slight polishing of the heads
really makes the power in Olds engines.  Don't get caught up in the
horspower wars.  It doesn't work on the street ESPECIALLY with that
land yacht your running.  Torque is king and the Olds is the best at
it.  (Except maybe for the Buick.) Summit Racing in Ohio can help you a
lot. The one person I go to for special parts is Dave Smith Oldsmobile
in Corona Ca.  I know everyone says Joe Mondello is the guy to speak to
( if you've got a LOT of money and even more patience with being
treated poorly) but they don't need your money if your on a budget or
so they come across that way.  Smith's phone # is ( 909 ) 371-7040.  I
hope this helps.  If you have any more questions E-mail me at
San2cci@aol.com



From hotrod@dsea.com Thu Jun 29 12:35:55 1995
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Subject: Big Block Restoration
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X-From: rwilh22444@aol.com (RWilh22444)

I am a new member...i have the following cars that i am working on:

1955 Chevrolet 210 (2 door post) 
1971 GMC Sprint (just like a Chevrolet El Camino)
1975 Triumph TR-6

I am also building a 427 cubic inch Chevrolet big block to be connected to
a 
M-22 Muncie "Rock Crusher".

Anyone out there familiar with the above?  Please send message.
Thanks...Rod

From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun 30 13:31:46 1995
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Subject: MSD 6 Transistors?
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X-From: met@pine.cse.nau.edu (MTN-KAT)

I do beleive that after 7 years of running my MSD that one of the
transistors has failed. I disconnected the unit and gained what feels
like 40-50 ft/lbs of torque!  Can someone direct me to a point of
purchase for these or a compatable piece available through Digi-Key?

Thanks!

****************************************************************
Millam E. Tackitt                        met@pine.cse.nau.edu

1967 Cougar XR-7, 550+Hp/474FE, Tri-Power, CR-4spd, and Nitrous. 
1962 Galaxie "G" code Sedan, 406 Tri-Power, Over-drive.
1967 3/4 Ton 400Hp/410FE 

Ain't no replacement for displacement!
****************************************************************


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FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (T)  07/17    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, BRITAIN (SILVERSTONE) (SD) 07/17    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
INDYCAR, TORONTO (T)                  07/17    1:00-3:00PM      ESPN
BUSCH GN, TALLADEGA (L)               07/22    2:00-4:30PM      TNN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, FRANCE (T)          07/22    3:00-3:30PM      ESPN2
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Indy rookies)   07/23    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
WINSTON CUP, TALLADEGA (L)            07/23    1:15PM           CBS
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Indy rookies)   07/23    2:30-3:00PM      TNN
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (L)                07/23    3:00-5:00PM      ABC
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (SD)               07/23    8:30-11:00PM     TSN
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (T)                07/24    12:30-3:00PM     TSN
NHRA, MILE HIGH NATIONALS, DENVER (T) 07/24    7:30PM           ESPN
INDYCAR, CLEVELAND (T)                07/25    3:00-5:00PM      ESPN
IMSA, SEARS POINT (T)                 07/27    5:00-6:00PM      ESPN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, GREAT BRITAIN (T)   07/29    1:00-1:30PM      ESPN2
IROC #4, MICHIGAN                     07/29 (live coverage is unlikely)
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, TOPEKA (L)        07/29    3:00-5:00PM      TNN
BUSCH GN, SOUTH BOSTON (L)            07/29    5:00-7:00PM      TNN
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, ELKART LAKE (T)    07/29    5:30PM           ESPN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY (L)    07/30    7:30-10:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY (L)    07/30    7:50-10:00AM     ESPN
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Safety Safari)  07/30    10:00-10:30AM    TNN
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (L)                 07/30    11:30-3:30PM     TSN
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (L)                 07/30    2:30-6:00PM      ABC
Win! w/Rusty Wallace (Safety Safari)  07/30    2:30-3:00PM      TNN
ASA, HEARTLAND PARK, TOPEKA (L)       07/30    3:00PM           TNN
PORSCHE SUPERCUP, FRANCE (T)          07/30    6:30-7:00PM      ESPN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY  (SD)  07/30    11:30PM-2:00AM   CBCE
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY  (T)   07/31    12:00-2:00AM     TSN
FORMULA 1, HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY  (SD)  07/31    2:30-5:00AM      CBCW
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (T)                 07/31    12:30-4:00PM     TSN
INDYCAR, MICHIGAN (T)                 07/31    1:00-4:30PM      ESPN
NHRA, CALIFORNIA NATIONALS, SONOMA (T)07/31    7:30PM           ESPN
IMSA, PORTLAND (T)                    08/03    1:00-2:00PM      ESPN
NASCAR SUPERTRUCKS, INDIANAPOLIS (?)  08/03    tba              tba
BUSCH GN, INDIANAPOLIS (?)            08/04    tba              tba
BRICKYARD 400 (L)                     08/05    12:00PM          ABC
SCCA BARBER-DODGE, ELKART LAKE (T)    08/06    3:30PM           ESPN
NHRA, NORTHWEST NATIONALS, SEATTLE (T)08/07    8:30PM           ESPN

* Network Designations

A&E      Arts & Entertainment Network
AMC      American Movie Classics
CBCE     Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (East)
CBCF     Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (French)?
CBCW     Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (West)
CBCM     Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (Montreal)
DIS      The Disney Channel
EMPS     Regional Sports Network (New York)
ENC      Encore
ESPN     ESPN Sports Network
ESPN2    ESPN Sports Network 2
FAM      The Family Channel (a NASCAR team sponsor!)
HBO      Home Box Office
HIST     The History Channel
HSE      Regional Sports Network (Houston)
HTS      Regional Sports Network (Baltimore & DC)
KBL      Regional Sports Network (Pittsburg)
MAX      Cinemax
MPT      Maryland Public TV
MSC      Midwest Sports Channel
MSG      Madison Square Garden
MTV      Music(?) Television
PASS     Regional Sports Network (Detroit)
PBS      Public TV (USA)
PRTK     Regional Sports Network (LA)
PSRM     Prime Sports Network (Rocky Mountains)
PSN      Prime Sports Network
PSN2     Prime Sports Network (Midwest & Mountains)
PSNW     Prime Sports Network (Northwest)
PSSW     Prime Sports Network (Southwest)
PSW      Prime Sports Network (West)
NESN     New England Sports Network
QVC      home shopping
RDS      Reseau Des Sports (Canada - French)
SCC      Sports Channel Chicago
SCNE     Sports Channel New England
SCNY     Sports Channel New York
SCOH     Sports Channel Ohio
SCP      Sports Channel Pacific
SCPH     Sports Channel Philly
SHOW     Showtime
SPTS     Sport South Network
SRC      Societe Radio-Canada (French)
SUN      Sunshine Network (Regional Sports Network, SE USA)
TBS      Atlanta "Super Station"
TNN      The Nashville Network
TSN      The Sports Network (Canada - English)
USA      USA Network
WDCA     Washington, DC
WGN      Chicago "Super Station"
WJZ      Baltimore
WOR      New York "Super Station"

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From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun 30 14:08:07 1995
From: Hotrod List 
To: Hotrod_users@dsea.com
Subject: Re: Olds Delta 88 455 build
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X-From: Bob Valentine 


> My goal is about 400 hp, but I want to maintain streetablity, since
> this is my daily driver.  The car has a posi-rear (sorry, I don't know

> I have about $2500 to work with, excluding the tranny.  Can anyone
> offer any experience/suggestions/etc. on building an Olds engine?  What
> are some "gotchas"?  Are there any parts houses in the area you can
> recommend?

      Lots of tips here - I've got several files full of stuff if you 
want me to foward them.   I've done 2 Olds 350's, and 455's are really 
just a big 350.   From the 350 rebuilds I know:

    1.  Don't go too crazy with the cam.  Non-adjustable valvetrain
	is bad enough, and Olds motors are not high-rpm screamers;
	they're torque motors.   You CAN convert to a adjustable,
	but it's expensive.
    2.  Use oil restrictors to the cam bearings.   Stock Olds systems
	run out over 5000 rpm.
    3.  Windage trays are a good investment.
    4.  Port the heads mildly - get rid of the EGR bumps, blend the 
	guides in.   This month's Camaro(Car)Craft has a good diagram,
	along with some good tips.   I have a good listing of head
	#'s vs. volume vs. performance.   
    5.  Dump the factory cast-iron intake; save about 50lbs from the
	front end.
    6.  Run a HEI with a MSD6A box.  It's been damm good to me!
    7.  Put plenty of RTV around the water ports on the intake gasket.  
	They love to leak... about a week after assembly.
    
    I've never dealt with Mondello Olds, from all the bad air I've heard 
about them around here.    Get his catalog, get his ideas, and buy the 
parts somewhere else... ;^>  This month's Car Craft has a 455 build up 
section with some good pix, tips, and numbers.

    If you haven't found out already, Olds motors are pretty 
indestructable.   Just use good common sense when building it and I'm 
sure you'll be happy.

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"


From hotrod@dsea.com Fri Jun 30 19:00:36 1995
From: Hotrod List 
To: Hotrod_users@dsea.com
Subject: Re: MSD 6 Transistors?
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X-From: RWilh22444@aol.com

millam:

Sorry, I don't know of a source...but would you recommend the msd 6AL
for a 427, dual hi rise tunnel ram, weekend street car?

thanks...

rod