turbobuicks.com (Doc1of7) The site says Bruce joined in November 2005, and posted 2,356 messages in 500 threads. ------------------------------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Unread 04-23-2007, 12:20 AM #38 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Thanks for all the replies, they're really appreciated. Doc's are saying several weeks of bed rest to get things better healed. As mentioned I had a lung collapsed, and it did it several more times, while in the Hospital. And, the soft tissue in rigth knee is now *gone*. The long time use of steriods for the transplant, has killed the blood supply in the femur bone, in the knee joint area. Feels like a root canal being done when ever I put any weight on it.. So this time around I just gotta follow their orders to the letter, I just can't afford to push things, like I have in the past. My participartion might lessen, but I fully plan on trying to help folks as much as I can. Again, Thanks! __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." #47 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Turbonics View Post (As you're on the road to recovery, do you have any goal presently for what the next major automotive related event you'll be attending? ) I'd been working on trying to make BG, but that's down to a maybe, now. I really wanted to drive the GN or Stang down, but unless I get alot better really quick that just ain't gonna happen. But, if I'm doing well otherwise, I might hitch a ride down with a friend. And again thanks. for the other comments, guys. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." ---------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-17-2006, 01:11 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Bruce, I know that you have shown an interest in "theoretical BS" at times. Who me???? What I think is happening, is when the high HP engines reach crossover, the DIS can become a limit. *Crossover*, being when you have more boost pressure, then exhaust back pressure. The was an interesting article in one of the *Ricer* mags about this some time ago. There's also a dramatic pwoer increase at this stage, according to them, which would seem to make sense.. Anyway, with boost being higher then exhaust then the spark on the overlap cylinder, might be lighting enough of a fuel mixture, that enters into exhaust tract. That would explain the drop in ETGs, and needing more fuel that going to Distributor guys have claimed. While, I'm not *near* crossover, when I amp'd up the DIS by using an ACCEL 300 CD, PER coil, I also saw a drop in EGT, and had to add more fuel. Both numbers matching what someone else had seen with a dissy conversion. For now, I'm just not really convinced that there's any real magic in going to a Distributor, and no one's made mention of being able to run the plug gaps that I did with the CNP I did a few years ago. I was able to break off the side electrode, and basically run a .1" plug gap at ~18 PSI. My latest doohickey is running 6 ACCEL 300s, and intially firing the motor up in DIS mode (firing the coils in pairs), and then firing them in CNP mode. With that being done, then I can *switch* between the two modes, and better see what's going on. The thing about distributors, is that the cap/ rotor air gap forces a min firing voltage to get to the plug, so in that sense, there might also be some oddity with that. Just dunno, til I get this new set-up on the car, and so some playing. You can see in this picture, that I've forgone the GM CNP type coils, and I'm going to use the older GM E-Coils. Since, I'll be in multispark mode to red line, I figured that trading some *rise time* for a higher inductive type coil, might be an advantage. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-17-2006, 07:32 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Radius Kid I got talking to Sherm' about this subject last week and he said Bruce is running the "red,white and blue" computer,not the stock GN computer. That makes the adaption of the dis/separate coils different than with the GN computer. So's I gots' ta thinkin',what about using the module from the V6 Caddy? It requires a sync' signal different from the stock GN module,but something along the lines of Spina's crank simulator could be made to feed the module[in concert with the stock crank sensor]. What do you think? The later 3800s (94-95 as I remember) did in fact use red, white, and blue harness connectors, and the code is very interesting. If you recall they use the 3x, and 18x shutters. And, they use the 20d shutter *timing* as a reference. I *think* for the engine miss detection, but it's still interesting. My car already has the later *Quick Start* system (x3+x18 shutters). All, I need to do now, is *switch* from firing the coils in pairs, to firing them with the eDIST. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-17-2006, 07:38 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood You are saying that the waste spark on the exhaust stroke is lighting off the fuel mixture entering the exhaust tract? Is this fuel the unburned fuel exiting on the exhaust stroke or fuel that has been "blown thru" during overlap? I think I understand it is the latter? Now, are the egt's dropped due to the lack of compression of the overlapped and exited fuel? Generally, we say that too rich mixtures give a misleadingly high egt as the mixture is still burning as it enters the exhaust stream. I am not debating what you stated...just trying to put it in place properly. Yes, lighting it off in the chamber, and then blowing it thur, during the overlap valve position. Yes. Like I said, this is all just working theory on my part. It's the only circumstances that I can think of to explain what people are seeing. Found my old eDIST today, so one step closer in that reguard.... Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-17-2006, 10:51 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood It seems to me that going to a distributor to make up for a weakness in the existing system is a regression that resembles a bandaid rather than a cure. I realize many don't respect theory, but, it seems that a lot of theoretical benefits that might translate into consistent/safe power are given up when one abandons individual cylinder control. This theory may only be truly meaningful at 1200 hp and hardly detectible at 600 hp. I don't know. I just don't see the point in reliving history. Seems more productive to move forward with what we know today as opposed to regenning 1980. a) I agree. b) Time will tell. For GM to put the money into something, there must be some sort of pay off, to get it past the bean counters. They didn't put the time into individual timing, and fuel just for grins, IMO. What was interesting was seeing injector timing, in some of their race code, but then the table was 0'd out. I'd already been playing with it, and they'd done it a bit differently then me, and part of what they did, was well, better then mine. For *US* real time injector PW updates seem over the top, but, about anything less then that, IMO, is a good thing. Trouble with alot of this stuff is just all the time it takes to *test* your way though it. c) Especially when it's cheaper, and uses off the self components. But, it's still all an exercise in academics for me at this point. Gotta get it up and running to get some idea of what maybe going on. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-18-2006, 08:11 PM #15 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Radius Kid This is where I got the idea for the Caddy[late 90's till now module]. IIRC correctly,they use a similar system to the LS series engines[minus two cylinders]. That would lend itself to the TR,but we still need to high pulse reference[not the 3X for the guys who missed it]. Enter the modified signal from Spina's gizmo. The other way might be to chop up the crank signal [after taking a sample] and feed the "high X" reference with that. Nice to see you here Bruce.............your "room" is ready. We do appreciate intelligence around here. We appreciate a "wry wit" even more. The only *pics* I've seen on the Caddie stuff seem to show 2 sensors, at different ref angles, and what looks to require some fancy machining. That and I don't know how well you can *scale* the components, and still get valid signals from them. I don't know how John's gizmo works, so ya got me on that one. So long as it's well padded, things should be OK.... *wry wit*, I'll drink to that.... Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-18-2006, 08:22 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Radius Kid Funny this topic should come up. I remember talking to a very fast Buick racer and he told me that if you order a cam from engine guru "A" you will egt 114 degree LSA. If you order from guru "B",you will get 110 degree LSA. Both cams being spec'd for the same RPM range,etc. It almost sounds like the narrower LSA's are being used to help scavenge the cylinders and keep velocity up on the end of the exhaust blow down event. While things have certainly changed, especially of late. The *mindset* of alot of builders, and tuners seem to be able to out weight, what one might consider normal logic. I'm, FWIW, really interested more in intake valve closings. That's what *traps* the air, and sets the whole process, in motion. With that said, going from N/A, to S/C, to T/C, are all going to have their sweet spots for what amount of overlap works. With N/A cams making up, what?, 98% of cam and machine shop work, I'd expect people to be catering alot of their thought and experiences based on the N/A world. Since the Penske deal at Indy, I've always wondered just what the real gurus in cam design worry about. While initially people just looked at the boost advantage, the modified *stock* MB gave, there's been some interesting rumors, that it was more about the valvetrain, and cam profiles. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-18-2006, 08:36 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Radius Kid With the stock system you have to jump two plug gaps. One on exhaust,one on intake. With a distributor,you jump two gaps,one in the cap and one at the plug. In the second case,only one gap has any type of "charge" to deal with in the gap[the distributor has ionized air inside]. That may help,but at what point does it make a "real" difference,as was stated above? I tend to agree that the stock system was used more for emissions due to the low swirl[compared to newer designs] in the combustion chamber of the stock heads. I'm still not sure if there is a wastespark event, with DIS. I've read everything that I can about the subject, and the *best* sense, I can make out of it, is that there is normally no spark event at the overlap event. With such a high percentage of *inert* gases, the required firing voltage is just to high to allow the ion path to form, much less the actual spark event. A/C, voltages and currents follow all the normal laws of electricity, but when you start talking about coils, and collapsing magnet fields, the normally ignored *inertia* (usin lay terms here), is often forgotten. With the *wastespark* event not ocurring, the voltage still is building on the secondary side, and once *arc over* is reached on the TDC event the eletricity will take the path of least resistance and *do* that spark. Not to mention that the term *wastespark* goes back decades to the early 2-stroke motorcycles, where they may have had a wasted spark. 2 Strokes with their sloppy rich emissions back then were a different animal from we're looking at, IMO. 85 (?) was also about the time, the EPA was forcing manufacturers to meet long term emissions. No cap, rotor, and less spark plug wire failures were surely issues in going to DIS, IMO. When you have fleets of millions of cars, and are going to start picking up the costs of replacement warranty emissions, you can bet the bean counters will get real vocal. I'd actually call the Buick chambers high swirl. Looking at the amount of carbon, and patterns to it, they seem to accumulate alot less C, then alot of other engines. I guess... Quick reply to this message Old 01-18-2006, 09:54 PM #19 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by TexasT Does the MB in caps in the quote stand for Max Boost? I'm trying to follow along here but you people are WAY ahead of me. Good info though, keep it coming. This is why I want to see Doc1of7, Steve Wood ,Orlando_87GN, The Radius Kid as well as all the others with something to contribute, to keep posting. I have a lot to learn. Thanks to all of you. Mercedes Benz. Ask a question if I get ahead of ya. You're probably not alone, I'll admit to my fingers having a mind of their own at times, and I might not always make sense, or just completely skip over something. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ----------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-23-2006, 06:31 PM #25 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by jleews6 BUT. I do have my son and he is healthy and cancer free and that makes me the richest man in the world. I'm glad to hear he's OK. Health is one of the items I was talking about with *eye to the future*. You don't have to get nuts about how you live, but just being aware, and doing just a little can save one alot of grief later in life. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-18-2006, 01:37 PM #20 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 If you're doing your won chips, you can play with the Deccleration Enleanment, and Deccleration Fuel Cut Off parameters. If you're just experiencing it on lifting that's one thing, but if you're talking about a slight lift followed by a steady state TPS, then that'll be harder to tune out. Going to a MAP based set-up, has offered the best cure, from what playing around I've done with it. -------------------------------------- Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-17-2006, 11:08 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ormand The ECM knows the rpm, and it calculates the time lag needed from the last synch pulse until it should fire spark plugs. Newer systems have more synch pulses, (more "teeth" in the sensing wheel) so they can be more precise, but the one on the Buicks seems to get pretty close. Newer ECMs have faster clocks, too, so they will have a more precise time, too. Actually, no, the increase in the number of teeth has little to do with timing accuracy. The code runs in loops, and is only updated so often, also during the calculations, they are rounded off. So bottom line is, the resolution stays the same. Again, while they have faster processors, that doesn't automatic dictate more accuracy in the actual timing calculation. What can happen in the fastest of ecm is an almost real time timming correction, which is fine for meeting EPA numbers for a million car fleet, but for even the highest of reving engines, is overkill. And in the case of the LT1 engines, the high resolution part of the distributor has even caused problems, since road vibrations can find their way into causing *misreads* of the sensor. Much in the same way that you'd see with a loose timing chain. The vettes were intially prone to this problem. Even the lowly TR ecm only needs to use about half of the available processing time for the timing, fuel calculations. *Processor time* being the time it would take for the code to run it's full series of loops (there are 16 of them). The hype for faster porcessors, and such is just a spin off from the Windows world of sales hype. A TR engine is a real slug, speed wise compared to how fast a processor, and code can operate. The genius of the GM code is running it in a series of interupts, and calcs are done in an as needed fashion. Once the randomness of the actual combustion event is realised, then the hoopla of extemely fast processors, and table sizes lose some of their importance, in other then EPA applications. If you look at how small the tables are in the best of aftermarket ecms, and what the newer oems run, it becomes apparent what resolution is really needed for best HP. So while the hype continues about processor speed, if the actual tables don't offer much resolution, the *precision/ speed* of the processor (chip set) really isn't that much of an issue. The *chip set* is the supporting devises to the processor, and the processor, and some related devises, can have issues in doing resets, allowing some errors to exist. This *error* is very minor, but it can occur. While some of the newer GM ecms (ie the P4s) do operate at 2x the speed of the TR ecm, their real improvement is in the chip set, and the ability to clear old data, in preperation of doing new calculations. There are some public domained hacs of the various GM calibrations on the internet if anyone wants to go thru the real nuts and bolts of assembly language and how the timing is calculated. The archives at DIY-EFI also have more detailed explainations of some of the topics I mentioned here. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-18-2006, 01:00 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ormand Bruce, you forgot to mention that the higher capacity ECM allows for OBDII, and a huge catalog of trouble codes! The higher clock speeds and higher number of teeth may not provide any more USEFUL precision, but they would at least allow for more, if it were needed or wanted. And it all the extra computing capacity wasn't being used to monitor a lof of other stuff, like multiple O2 sensors. At 3,000 rpm, that's 50 rev/sec, so the one rev takes 0.02 seconds. With a synch pulse every 120 degrees, that amounts to one every 0.0067 seconds. Even at wide open throttle in first gear, the rpm won't change much in 0.067 seconds, so the precision of the slow clock and the "coarse" spacing of the teeth isn't really much of a source for error, I guess. Especially since the spark advance, or the injector timing, won't change much with a small change in rpm. Think we're answering King_V, or just adding to the confusion? I didn't forget anything, I was trying to enlighten you about the material you brought up. Your assumptions were so far out of line, that I felt compelled to reply and try to straighten them out. Your the one that's guilty of adding to the confusion. I was simply correcting your *information*. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-18-2006, 01:13 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by King_V So essentially, the computer has 3 opportunities per revolution to calculate precisely how fast the engine is turning. No. The computer (code) is time based. The code runs in a series of loops, and interupts. If the computer sees say a TPS value change, it looks to see if it's opening or closing. If it's opening then it'll do one series of events, or if it's closing go do something else, these *go here* items are loops, one is for figuring out accleration enrichment, and figuring out the Burst Knock if necessary, and the other in the event of the TPS closing, would be Deccleration Enleanment, or Deccleration Fuel Cut Off. Another cause for an interupt is seeing the RPM change, actually the time between DRPs (DRP = Distributor Reference Pulses, ie the crank sensor). With a change in RPM the ecm goes into another series of loop(s). Now to more completely answer your earlier question, the ecm can figure out the engine speed in 120d of crankshaft rotation, since it's looking at the DRPs to figure out the crankshaft movement. The timing calculation goes into such accuracy that they allow for the switching time of the transistors that turn the coils on. We're talking .000008 msec. (.008 usec), or there abouts (I forget the exact correction). The ecm is much more precise, then the mechanics of the engine are. There's no timing chain or harmonics tampering with how the code runs.. The ecm does the timing and fuel calcs, as *needed*, ie when there is an interupt. If there is no need for an interupt, ie no MAF/ TPS/ RPM/ change then there is no new calculation. This is the short version, being able to really read thru all the code, and get what's going on, takes alot of time, and study. Last edited by Doc1of7 : 02-18-2006 at 01:18 PM. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-18-2006, 10:25 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by King_V Out of curiosity, what sorts of processors ran these things? It's a GM version of the Motorola 68HC11. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-02-2006, 12:17 AM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by King_V Wow, as in the 68HC11 based off the old Motorola 6800 8-bit CPU? Cool. As I understand it, the assembly code has some similarities to the 6502/6510 I'm familiar with. Is there anywhere that there's a tutorial or reference for the opcodes? Further, I think I've seen a bit of the code for the GN computer, but is there a sort of simplified English-like explanation, or ideally, a flowchart somewhere, that gives an overview of what the system does? The Pink Book, will get you threw the Op Codes. I don't recall the 31T code as having any different ones off hand. Go to the Motorola Site, and have them send you a copy of their *Pink Book*. At the GNTTYPE site, there's some stuff, by Scott Sealander, and Mike Pitts that explain the PROM's portion of the code. Most of the code is in ROM, on the Printed Circuit Board. Commented code, in DIY, is called a *hac*. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote -------------------------------------------- Old 10-06-2006, 05:29 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gbsean maybe some of the people on this site should take a look Oath of Allegiance I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God." Might even have some Congressmen, and Presidents (past, and future) read it aloud during their campaigns (not that it might change much with some of them). __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." -------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 10-07-2006, 10:46 AM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by V8Kilr I am looking to upgrade my intake system. Right now I'm sucking in hot air from under hood. Is ram air an old school theory? Do any of you guys use it still? Is the latest thing setups such as the Big Mouth cai? Sorry, but I'm trying to get up to date. I've been out of the game a while and things have really changed. Cold air is a good thing, but if drastically increases the intake tract length that can be a problem. Ceramic coated headers, GNX vents, removing the rear weather seal along the back of the hood, and anything else you can do to vent the hot air out is a good thing. And while Intake Air Temps are monitored by the ecm, it's actually the Manifold Air Temps.. that matter (air temp inside the plenum). In the staging lanes, or going through a drive thur the MATs are going to be high reguardless of what intake system your running. It's only after you really get moving that the difference will show. However, if you're marginally lean on fuel, increasing the intake tract lenght might help you, since it mechanically restricts the Air flow a lil. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-08-2006, 11:25 AM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ormand As Bruce notes, it won't be "cool" by the time it gets past the throttle body, but it won't be as warm if it starts off cooler. Once your moving, yes it can make a *very slight* difference. But, when idling it'll always be *hot*. At sub freeway speeds, the effects are still min., unless running a F/M. At WOT, a bigger (better) I/C is better at taking heat out of the charge air, then using a ram air, cool air intake. It was also taken as fact, that for every 15dF you lessen the intake air charge, you'll lower the EGTs by 15dF. I've never been able to verify that with, any real world testing. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote --------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-08-2006, 11:28 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by blupuick I just picked up an underdrive crank pulley and was wondering if there is anything I should keep an eye on after the install, like does it affect idle or drivability? Will it magnify any problems if there is one? What is the OD?. I run Jason's small race pulley on the street just fine, but I also have the small alt pulley, and 200A alternator. Your headlights might slightly *dim* at idle. If you're really, really into the tune, you might get by with a lil less Acceleration Enrichment. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." ------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 10-08-2006, 04:25 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by robk46 Spoke to my dad last week. He said he had some parts laying around from an '85 GN engine he rebuilt a few years back for an AC Cobra replica project. I just got them. They say "Kenne Bell 9401" on them. Will these work on my '86 engine? Are they worth the hassle? Thanks! I had a set that looked alot like those, and they had to get a lot of grinding to clear the rocker arm shaft mounts on the head. I used taller then stock covers, I don't recall trying them with the stock covers. __________________ ---------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 10-08-2006, 11:18 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by sr-71 i thought this would make for a good read. If anyone's thinking about having a weapon around, attending a GOOD training course is a great idea. Attending several is better yet. And don't confuse handling paint ball guns as some sort of replacement for using the real thing. Too often (from what I've seen and heard) people develope some really bad habits. Not to mention some of the poor examples of fire arm handling that you see on shows like Cops. __________________ #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by carnut7770 I'm buying an adapter plate to adapt the 3.8 to a porsche transmission. I'm getting it from a guy who had it fabbed backed in the 90's. He also has the strait drive flywheel for it as well. He had it made for a Porshce 914 he had but has since sold. Has anyone ever done or heard of a porsche with a GN engine either a rear engine conversion like the 911 or a mid engine like the 914. I know they do the small block conversions all the time in the Porsche so why not a 3.8 buick right. GN's into 911, and 944s SBC, into 911, 914. Different block bolt patterns from SBC, to GN. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it' ------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-14-2006, 12:24 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by GrndNatnl Which are brighter 1156/57 or 2056/57? And the same question goes for the 194/168? While at Advance, I noticed they had a brighter then 2057 (which is brighter then then 1157). Which I've been running for 6+ months now. You're only asking to be rear ended by some cell phone blabber, by not drawing as much attention as possible to the fact that you're on the brakes, IMO. --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 09-09-2006, 09:17 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Yullose I'm puzzled by this, and don't want to keep cranking up the boost if there is a problem somewhere... Is there a way to test the wiring or signal to the ECM to confirm all the connections are good/intact ??? I believe Autozone has a continutity tester you can rent/ borrow, that plugs in, in lieu of an ecm and checks the sensors. What do the plugs look like?. A Scanner only shows detonation, as seen by the knock sensor, and the oem O2 voltages are a guess at best for tuning. If you want to get somewhat serious with tuning, then you need an EGT guage, a WB and some plug reading. Less then that, and you'll pretty well assured of blowing some headgaskets as you experiment. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-08-2006, 11:39 AM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Yullose This confirms one thing, which I believe was touched-on in another thread... Without a speedo and without a neutral safety switch, the ECM thinks the car is always parked... and ignores knock. Last I looked in the code the P/N switch was only used for selecting the idle speed. Speedo is only used for TCC functions. 4d isn't much, and a slight shift in fueling or timing could make all the difference in eliminating it. The thing with knock is not allowing it to start. Once it gets going a 1-2d timing error could take pulling 4-6d of timing out, to cure. As you tune gets closer to optim it can get touchy, but once your in the sweet spot, it can be somewhat forgiving. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's me Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-09-2006, 04:24 PM #18 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Yullose UPDATE #2: Boost is now back up to 20psi, and O2's are 780-800 with ZERO knock. Just remember relying on O2s is all most meaningless, since a 820 mv reading could be anything from 10.6:1 to 12.6:1 AFR wise. There's a number of people that thought they were safe at 800 mv, that have headgaskets pinned to the tool board. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-09-2006, 04:30 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator Here's a link I found that has a bunch of videos of military aircraft. Watch the F4u corsair one.......they have alot to go through even for an old WWII fighter. http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/main.html Wow what a site, prolly take days to get through all that. Thanks. ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 05-26-2006, 10:15 AM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 2 qk 4 u With all of the tuning capabilities of the new T-Pro can I change timing enough to run race fuel without having a "race" chip? I would like to add my race fuel, crank up boost, adjust timing, and race. Then adjust for street the same way. Is this off base for the T-Pro? Yes. No. After watching Bob use his, while at BG, I'm really impressed. It's really a neat devise. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 05-26-2006, 05:37 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 It's amazing how people find things to complain about. Yes, to some it might be complicated, but with some logic, it's not that bad. Not to mention alot of people really don't know how to tune. The *norm* seems to be just crank in all the timing you can, until you see knock, and then back up .0005d. Taking notes, looking for trends, and measuring performance are the key elements of learning how to tune. If you look real close, you'll also note, that all the aftermarket ecms have gotten alot more complex. Why?, to extract the max from an engine means having the tune as sharp as possible. Simple is good, only when it's complex enough to do the job properly. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 05-26-2006, 10:23 PM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by TOM J is it possible to change boost levels at different rpm, or gears, say I wanted to decrease boost at the top of third gear is this an option, ordered mine BG should be seeing any day Here's a list of the options for the MAFTPRO http://www.maftpro.com/info.shtml Looks like using the aux input will give you 3rd gear boost control. ------------------------------ Quick reply to this message Old 10-10-2006, 06:30 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by onefastcar comp 980 springs I used one set of those, and broke 4 of them....... On a 206/206 Comp cam. It'll be a cold day before I run any Comp Cam Springs. __________________ ------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-07-2006, 03:26 PM #19 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Ya don't get involved, just remember that when/if your laying on the ground. BTW, wasn't that the most common stance on 9/11?. Seems like lots of folks are willing to surrender to the bad guys without a fight, and in that case, Bin Laden did have it right about what Americans are becoming. Or was it because the neighbor was an Indian?. Maybe just not getting involved will work for a while, but eventually the bad guys are going to take it all, you can count on that. _____________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-07-2006, 04:00 PM #21 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Just a Six?? Doc, He should definately help the guy up after the fight but ???? What if the neighbor molested a kid of theirs & cops cant get him? Maybe Stole $100K off them? Keyed their cars for the hell of it? Went after the guys wife with threats?? TWO sides to every story. So yes help a man thats down but dont judge them & stick your nose in when you dont know the Complete story! Maybe he bloody well deserved a good shot in the head!! Who knows? I dont & dont think anyone else here does right? Lets the cops handle it. Who knows when they come back he might shoot & kill all of them? Wouldnt that be kick? Have to help them being all shot up & bloody & dying? Then who would be the bad guy? I dont know???????? IMO, no human deserves vigilante law, we're supposed to live in a society. If he was a child molester, the all the more reason to get him locked up, and removed from society, by the cops. Not to mention it was his neighbor. If you want to play the what if scenario, what if they had the wrong house, and got out and threatened the guy, and he was just telling them to get the heck off his property?. The reason people come back and shoot everyone, is because they think they can get away with it. Bullies and most bad guys operate, from the point of intimidation, and thinking no one cares enough to turn them in. Yes, there are the true head cases, but for them it doesn't matter who all got involved, they're going to shot folks just to have a body count. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-09-2006, 09:55 PM #34 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by TWIN86GNS I really can't belive a lot of what has been posted, I am glad that you guys are NOT my neighbours, I expect help and support from my neighbours. I agree with you. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-10-2006, 06:23 PM #37 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofish38 My neighbors are Smith and Wesson and my insurance agents name is Remmington. Seriously he doesn't sound like much of a neighbor by making a disturbance that late at night and out in the streets. I'd have to think twice under the same circumstances. Who knows? Maybe the perps would come back and cap my a$$ for helping him? Heck I cant even get the cops to show up here when you call 911. ???????? It was 9:35 am, and the guys drove up in caddy's to his house. If your PD has issues responding, seems like to me, that you'd want to have ALL the neighbors act as a united front to deter the thugs from taking over. They're doing it publically was a message, of intimidation. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth c Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 05:04 PM #42 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofish38 I thought I read PM! Really if one of my neighbors was duke'n it out in the street than I would step back and think twice before getting involved. I live in the city where 6 people were bludgeoned to death over an X-box after repeated calls to 911. I'd be on the phone, getting the pose in route, and then take a weapon of convience to the scene with me. BTW, I've done this in the past, and it's always wound up working out. I've seen taken to living in the country where people still act as such. Yes, in a country of 250 Million there are going to be the 3%'s. Frequently people who live in the city undergo a certain degree of distancing from their neighbors, other then in the *hoods* (speaking in generalities). Amazing how so many people will engage in road rage over an alleged act of *tresspassing* into one's space, and then let violence pass without comment, or action. Anyone remember 9/11?. A couple guys with box cutters keep 70-80 people at bay, by intimiation (in one case a flight attendant had her throat cut, IMO that would have been a sign of their intent to do harm). The net result, lots of innocent lives were lost. Sitting in the upright position, with you seat belt on, can get you a shortened plane ride. The choice is letting yourself being taken hostage (or surrrendering) by the bad guys are not. This country was founded on doing the right thing, rather then worring about *maybes*. If *we're* going to just sit around while the bad guys take over, we will lose our freedoms. __________________ ---------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 09:01 PM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by blupuick I just put an underdrive crank pulley on the car and it made a pretty noticable differance. I got the car home and noticed that my IAC was out of whack so I got it back into tolerances, now it doesn't feel as strong. Should I just put them back where they were? What were they, and what did you set them too. It takes a sensitive foot to really detect the differences in crank pulleys, might reepeat what you've done, to make sure you're feeling what you think you are. Which type pulley is it?. Does is mount though the center of the pulley?, or from the outside, with a flange. I've run a 5" RJ *Race Only* pulley, on the street, for over a year now without any issues. If you have one much smaller then that, you might experience shorter battery life, and poor cylinder head cooling (which isn't reflected in the coolant temp. reading). __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 09:08 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ormand What can it do? It drives the alternator, and the water pump. Slowing down the alternator might cut down on drag a little but not unless it also cuts down on alternator output, and that's not good for the ignition and fuel systems. And slowing down the water pump hurts cooling. Maybe not a "major loss" but not one that I would want. Also slows down the Power Steering Pump. By 1,000 RPM the alt should be up to speed, and charging at full capacity (if things are correct). My 200A alternator max out at ~185A, and that happens right at 1,000 RPM, FWIW. According to some the oems tend to overspeed the water pump, just for worst case scenarios. Slowing down the accessories, isn't automatically a bad thing. There was enough difference in changing pulleys in my car, I had to remove a lil acceleration enrichment.. With as large as 275/40x17s, the 5" RJ Race Pulley was more then enough for having assist in parking lots at low speeds. While it does warm up faster, I haven't noticed any cooling temp changes. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 09:20 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by blupuick IAC was up around 33 so i put it down to around 17. I got it used so I am not sure of who made it but it measures about 5 1/4". I am running the car with a converter that is not stalled high enough for my PT51 so it helped with spool, hence why i can actually tell any differance. Yep, makes sense.... When you crack the throttle open there's whats called Throttle Follower, and it adds to the *normal* IAC count. So depending on if your rich or lean, thou corrected to 14.7:1, the IAC will slightly affect the AFR when Acceleration enrichment kicks in. By having it opened slightly further, that'll lean the AE down ever so slightly. Which lines up with what I mentioned earlier. Yep, converter characteristics, can really mess with the Acceleration Enrichment, also. ------------------------------------- Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 08:45 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by New2Me87GN My GN is stock, but just out of a 12 year storage. I want to keep it stock, but want new injectors (having problems with 1 of them) and should proboly have a new chip as todays gas isn't wat it usto be. So my question is what injectors and chip should I go with? and what else should I change to be more modernized? Ya think I need to get all serious and hook a lap top scan jobby to it since its stock? If you're going to stay stock then 30's are fine. If your going to be raising the HP level, then you want larger. If you want a fair amount of *head room* then popping for 60's is fine. They can easily be tamed down for a stock engine. Fulltrottle, and Eric Marshal do great chips. YES, by all means you want to get Direct Scan, or a Scanmaster. Without either, you'll never have a real good idea of where you are tune wise, and they're almost indispensible for diagnosing problems. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 09:13 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by New2Me87GN So I guess I have to buy a lap top and a scanmaster deal. Are there any a-market outside tank pumps that are better than the 2 bosh pumps that I have? Hate to take everything back apart again. Direct Scan requires a laptop, Scanmaster is a stand alone scanner. If you want to go racing (get serious), then you'll eventually want both. For the street a Scanmasteer is fine, for racing thou, you'll want a Direct Scan. Are the ones you have good?. Why not fix what you already have?. Bosch, usually has a part no., on the case, so cross referencing them should be possible, if you need one. __________________ ----------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 10-11-2006, 10:04 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Mensa Invitational Mensa Invitational The Washington Post's Mensa Invitational once again asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are this year's winners: 1. Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with. 2. Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly 3. Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future. 4. Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid. 5. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period. 6. Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high. 7. Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. 8. Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late. 9. Hipatitis: Terminal coolness. 10. Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.) 11. Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious bummer. 12. Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you. 13. Glibido: All talk and no action. 14. Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly. 15. Arachnoleptic fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you've accidentally walked through a spider web. 16. Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito, that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out. 17. Caterpallor (n.): The color you turn after finding half a worm in the fruit you're eating. And the pick of the literature: 18. Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an *******. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." ----------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 09:24 PM #21 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 I tried Chili's for the first time today, and it was pretty good. Just changed over to making lunch my main meal of the day, with Oatmeal for breakfast, and then a real light dinner. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 09:32 PM #24 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Probably be darned good on pizza! He should be out putting his car together rather than asking anonymous strangers to pick out his lunch menu for him, anyway! He will starve to death if he loses his net connection. What next?, Goat Cheese on Pizza? Ya, but he got the infamous words of wisdom from that Steve Wood guy!.. -------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 10-13-2006, 08:05 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Alerts Something for everyone: The British reacted to the recent terrorism alerts by raising their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved," although they've considered raising it again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." Londoners have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been relabeled from "Tiresome" to a "Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British had a "Bloody Nuisance" was the Great London Fire of 1666. The French Government announced yesterday that its terror level has risen from "Run" to "Hide." It has not yet risen to "Surrender" or "Collaborate." This move was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability. Italy increased its alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." It also has two more levels, "Ineffective Combat Operation" and "Change Sides." The Germans increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Wear Uniforms and Sing Marching Songs." Their two higher levels are "Invade a Neighbor" and "Lose." The Belgians are off on holiday; their only threat is NATO pulling out of Brussels, which would collapse their entire economy. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-14-2006, 08:05 AM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Rowdy45466 I would like to know if it is the injectors. I have put very few miles on the car since I got it. The injectors show electrically they are in line. It barely would start here in IL when the temp dropped to 40 degrees. I guess if you hold the brake and rev it a bit and build boost it runs well. Motor looks to have been rebuilt and the car has alot of upgrades including Hooker Super Comp headers,high flow crossover, a 3" downpipe,test pipe w/dump,3" dual muffler exhaust,adjustable waste gate rod,ESP front mount intercooler torque strap,B&M linelock,2004R w/Trans Go shift kit and billet servo (shifts very well) 9.5" 3500 stall,SFI flexplate I'd like to maybe upgrade the chip, injectors, and throttle body. What size would you go with to have a low 12 high 11 second car and would it still be driveable. Idle ok ect. What turbo?. The Hooker headers are second to the oem ones. You might think about getting a set of stockers, and getting them ceramic coated. 60s make for a comfortable sized injector, and there are some really good chips out there for them. Fullthrottle, and TT being really current. The stock TB is all you need. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-14-2006, 01:06 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Rowdy45466 I'm sorry but what about the headers? They are bad? Stock ones are better? I buy that they are meant to last longer than the Hookers but hey they came on the car. I thought about pulling them and Jet-hot coat them. A quick search will verify this, but, in short they just subtract from the responsiveness of the engine. Spinning a turbo is about the transfer of energy. The more the exhaust gases cool, the less volume, and energy they have. Long tube headers aren't what's needed for a GN. The stockers are more then well suited for a 11/12 sec car.. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 05:13 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by CallMeMud Unlike the outrage over the actions of the Nazis, there has been little international recognition of Japanese war crimes. While the Germans have formally apologized many times, the Japanese emperor still has not. To read this without considering what the world had been though it really ignoring the *big picture*. This was at the end of the Second WW. WWI and WWII were fought in rather short order, and the WORLD was rather sick of the whole *mess*, and wanted to get back to a somewhat normal life again. The Nazis were the ones that precipitated WWII, and thusly bore the burden of having to be made an example of. The oriential mindset is something unfamiliar to westerners. Losing face in war was one thing, but to admit any wrong is usually just out of the question for them. If you think Poker is just a card game you should see some of the oriental *card games*, they play with an intensity unseen in the west. It also explains how and why China, NK, RVN, always out manuever *us* at the various bargaining tables. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 05:26 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by TTA89 Yep.. The technology that put us on the moon was directly related to getting our hands on intact German V2 Rockets and Scientists at the end of the war. Of course those Nazi Scientists were pardoned in exchange for information. It was also directly related to the discovery of fire. While Van Braum, was ahead of us, Goddard, and the US Navy were cranking up on missiles. Germany had a much greater *need* for theater type missiles then we did. There were a number of parrallel researches going on. If one looks at the German Jet program, it's failure was about the metallurgy. While they were using theory, it totally lacked in practice, whereas the US was using metallurgy to make turbos, and the high temp steels that later would make jets a household word once we switched to jet engines. As far as sweep wings, and alot of other credits given to the Germans, they were just at the same level of a different game. Look at Lockheed's flying wings, they were all swept, and ready to enter production, but the war ended. The Edwards crash and pilot egos delayed that concept until the B-2, and once it was revisited with the newer materials it was an instant success. The Germans were good at design, and theories, some of the executions, IMO, were lacking, as were some of the US *ideas*. Our advantage in WWII was the ability to out think, and manufacturer, all our enemies. Judging by what's going on nowadays, we're losing our ability to do that....... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 05:57 PM #19 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 From: http://www.pbs.org/redfiles/moon/dee...ios_detail.htm Wernher von Braun (1912-1977) German rocket scientist. During WWII, von Braun was part of the design team that built the V-2 rocket that nearly brought Great Britain to its knees. After surrendering to the US Army at the end of the War, von Braun and many of his colleagues were offered contracts to continue their research in the US (some of their more unlucky colleagues were captured by the Soviets and taken to Russia to continue their work in prison conditions) The team helped design numerous American missiles, as well as the Redstone rocket that launched the first US satellites and manned Mercury spacecraft into space. In 1960, von Braun and his colleagues were transferred to NASA, where they continued designing ever larger rockets, including the Saturn V, the most powerful rocket in the world, which put men on the moon. **************************** I've never heard of any of the rocket scientists that came over to our side post WWII as being pardoned. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 06:16 PM #22 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Northrop may have been ahead of his time...more likely to me that he dared to be too different with the B35/B49 wings and the concensus was that the idea was no good. The Edwards loss gave the "don't think outside the box" guys all the ammo they needed. Perhaps the concept needed the fly by wire control for stability...or maybe it was never given a chance to be worked out. As far as history goes, it is carefully vetted, and refined so that we often have a false idea regarding the goodness of our allies and the badness of our enemies. We need to quit teaching dates, and, start teaching about the background that led up to these "dates". All these America apologists that come so often from our universities should have spent a few years overseas before going off to school...then they would know bs when it was dished out. Arrgh ya Northrop. His prototypes, did just fine in flight performance, it was yaw during a bombing run that was the issue. The Norton Sight didn't do well in that reguard. Yes, FBW has made it more controllable. There's also a ton of computing power for the flight dynamics, and keeping the plane in the envelope. Yes. And the results from past acts, ie how many people were senselessly murdered in Asia, when we pulled out of Nam. You can tell the *Atom Bomb Apologists* weren't looking at being at the invasion of Japan. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 06:25 PM #24 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by stevemon I find it hard to believe that any adult in the USA didn't know of the Japanese WW2 atrocities. Why?, it was a different world back then, and the Pacific Reporting was much poorer then the Euro war, from what I've read. The Euro was all on one land mass, and used much of the infrastructure that was already there. In the Pacific it was island hoping, with about 0 in the way of infrastructure. Not to mention much of America was still just listening to radio reports from a few select reporters, unlike nowadays were there are many reporters (and arm chair experts), telling their stories. Todays wars are evaluated, edited, predigested, and given to the American pulbic in a way that usually discourages any thought process being needed. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 06:42 PM #26 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Yullose None of these atrocities would have been possible if the general population had not been disarmed and totally helpless. Many of you guys don't realize how important the 2nd Amendment is to the security of this great nation we live in. I remember reading somewhere... A Japanese General was asked why they never invaded the mainland US... and his response was something to the effect: "Behind every blade of grass would be an American hunter with a rifle." Remember this whenever you hear politicians calling for more gun laws. Yep. One of Hitler's first moves was disarming German Civilians. Gun Control, means a tight pattern, with one's weapon of choice. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-12-2006, 06:57 PM #36 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gbsean ...almost like brainwashing.. It is brainwashing. Mixed with some authors opinion. It's almost laughable if you look at some of the original engine dynamic research and then read some of the current papers. In the original research they used actual research, and results from experiments to make their points. Now a days it's often just flights of fantasy on the authors part. The all time classic is Corky Bells quote in Max Boost that "water injection is just a bandaid for a poorly designed turbo system". Obviously, he's not one to be confused with facts or actual research. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Old 10-13-2006, 05:48 PM #46 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Radius Kid To address another point,Corky Bell is an intercooler designer,hence his opinion. As a designer he *should* be objective, that IMO, means well versed on a given topic and associated data/work. Opinion while nice is for when one makes a judgement call based on emotion, which is fine about what movie to see, but, IMO, it doesn't have any place in discussing engineering concepts that have been well proven. A complete read of the NACA Papers and in cylinder cooling will eliminate any doubt about how effective water injection is. Not to mention how well the alky systems can be made to work in our own community. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-13-2006, 05:58 PM #47 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by stevemon I don't know how much you've seen Doc but I watch both Korean and Chinese TV on a daily basis and I see it differently. My Wife brought this subject up several years ago and in the defense of Korea, of which she is from, the Japanese occupied that country for decades so while it may appear that it's an Asian thing, I can assure you that it's entirely a holdover from Japanese rule and Korea has been working hard to erase any culture bias from their society. From what I've seen on the Beijing TV channel, I think the same can be said for China as well. I fired support for some ROK's (Republic of Korea, regular Army) troops, and they spent some time within our perimeter. Also during that time, saw how the NVA, fought and terrorized the general population. As far as being fierce, and agressive, I have some direct experience in how they behave, and they're not to be underestimated, IMO. As far as *orientals* in general, living in the LA area, I had some association with friends that were oriential. I don't know if they exist anymore, but, if you want to see a real Poker Game, visit some of the clubs in Gardena CA. The intensity of the gaming rooms was simply incredible. If anyone here has seen Minnesota Fats, or the likes of him shoot pool, lots of oriential poker plays carry that some *karma* (for lack of better word).... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-13-2006, 06:01 PM #48 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood The qualities that led to our success during the war were tossed away as we sat down on our laurels. Ain't that the truth!. It's criminal, that our elected officials don't see the decline of our ability to be a manufacturing super power, as not being critical to our future. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Old 10-14-2006, 07:45 AM #50 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Radius Kid You're right Bruce,as an engineer he should recognize all possibilities and their merits. The problem is that he's not a "knuckle dragger" like most of us. Sometimes these over-educated dummies miss the trees for the forrest. He's been in racing since at least 1970, when he was racing a Datsun. He did fairly well, as a knuckle dragger. Yep, I couldn't agree more. One needs to keep the big picture in view, tunnel visioning in on details at the expense of the big picture isn't the way to win, IMO. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." ------------------------------ Old 10-06-2006, 05:32 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood I thought this was kinda interesting....several comments that caught my attention throughout....and the dyno results with different weight oils at the end http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/oil_tech/ Interesting, I would have thought more then that thou, from how big of who/ha, some of the oems made over the change. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-14-2006, 08:29 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by V-6 Vegatex After pumping up the oil (and discovering I have an oil leak at the right cam gallery plug where I installed an oil sending line-- so as a minimum the tranny will have to come out) I tried to get the car to fire for the first time. I'm using the '86-'97 electronics and a MAFT+ with LS1 MAF and the Type 2 Ignition Module and a Casper's LED Cam Sensor Cap. Before pumping up the oil, I set the balancer index at zero and checked the cam sensor window was at the 4:00 position. Should be TDC and base timing set. After having problems getting the Cam Sensor Cap LED to go out when the window was lined up with the pick-up in the cap, I decided to put the cam sensor back the way it was before I pulled it. Remember, I had not rotated the engine since setting the index at zero. But now I'm wondering if either my cam sensor cap is bad, or the ignition module is bad-- the little red light should be out when the window is in the pick-up... I made several attempts, but got no start. Tried two different ECM's, no codes. Probed the ALDL, Code 12-12-12 and nothing more. The I checked for spark-- Got it! Next, fuel at the rail- squirting out the Schrader Valve-- got fuel! Why won't it start? What else-- how about air? OK, I cracked the throttle with the gas pedal-- BANG! BANG BANG! A rich dark exhaust mixture filled the garage! Maybe a bit more-- Bang, chuga, chuga! This is starting to get interesting (and I'm getting asphyxiated from the pig-rich exhaust fumes) Finally, got it to catch for a few seconds, and it starting to sound like it might actually run, then it dies! At least I got to hear it run, and a little turbo spool. So I'm thinking maybe I just need to adjust the IAC motor. But now, I'm also thinking I might probe the ALDL again and see if there are any new codes. Here's what I pulled down-- Code 21-- TPS Circuit High. Code 22-- TPS Circuit Low. Maybe that's because I was moving the throttle when cranking to see if it would start? And Code 42-- C3I Electronic Spark Timing Failure So maybe I was right about the ignition module being bad!? So where should I start? IAC? Ignition Module? Could I have screwed up installing the TPS (remember it's the '86-'87 TPS on the '85, so it's wired different) Maybe my base timing is off? Ideas, anyone? I do not have a scan tool or PC-based program yet. Probably will be ordering Turbo Link soon!!! Thanks, Dave Do you have spark?. So you have fuel (pressure)?. Did you hear the fuel pump run, for the 2 seconds at key on?. You need fuel, spark (at the right time), and compression for an engine to run. I know that sounds basic, but it's easy to go off on tangents. If you do have spark then the next thing to see is if the injectors are firing, a Noid Light makes that easy. But, a regular 12v trouble light across the injector pins will show that. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post ------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-16-2006, 03:56 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by VxTurboxV I'll pull the cam this friday... You need to pull the engine. Lifters are of a very hard steel, you need to find all the missing pieces, and remove them. In your case, it's engine overhaul time. There's just no way to *flush* that much crude out of the engine. Might as well do rings, and a valve job while you have it out, IMO. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-14-2006, 08:13 AM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by sr-71 well i just read that buick runner was attacked, and around here sh!t has definetly hit the fan, we have two cops who have been shot with a high powered rifle,( looks bad to i, heard that one was shot in the face , i know the police is going to get his butt , ( i hope they shoot his azz also) as if that was'nt bad enough we had an attempted armed rape, and they found 4 bodies of the florida turnpike a man, a woman and 2 kids all shot to death , this guy needs to be taken off the streets fast, if he can kill 2 kids that easy than he'll shoot anyone for any reason. a couple of more reasons i'm glad i pack a kimber . strange friday the 13th to me. Makes me all the happier that I settled for living in the corm fields of OH.. After growing up outside NYC, and then living in LA, I don't have much use for the metro regions. Seems like the metro areas just aren't what they used to be. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-14-2006, 12:08 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by RobsIron Hey Bruce, My wife is from Cedar Rapids Iowa..lots of corn LOL..We just bought 2 lakefront cabins on Lake Delhi. I like it up there. The life is simpler..the pace is slower. That area has a huge bonus..5 miles away is Tri-State Raceway! A friend of mine has a shop in Tipton, I probably spend a week + a year hanging out up there. The 500 mile drive goes like this, I70W, to I74W, to I80W, get off at the Tipton exit. And just about all corn all along the way. Nothing beats the O2 content of the air around here (during the growing season)..... __________________ -------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-17-2006, 05:27 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator Just though some of you might appreciate the tidbit that Albert Einstein arrived in the U.S 73 years ago today! Hence my avatar He left Nazi Germany, thank God, and was one of the Manhatten Project that ended WWII. Not to mention it was his letter to the President that even got the US truely interested in Nukes. It's too bad TMI, and Chern had so completely and totally ruined the ability of nukes to be used in the US. The two things France has right, IMO, is that all drivers are organ donors, and the ability to design and use nukes for elec power. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote -------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 08:33 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by TUFBUICK I'll be bringing my stock low mile GN to Cecil. I've got it prepped for it's first ever trip down the 1320.....Plugs, Wires, K&N, Bleeder Valve, Real boost Gauge, 237 FP Regulator, Fresh O2 Sensor, 25+ Fuel Chip I Found from days gone by (what ever that is) and a Test Pipe. Was wondering about dailing 18lbs of Boost maximum and what Octaine race gas does anyone suggest. IMO, you need a scan tool, and a known chip before you make a pass. Without being able to see what the engine is doing, you're risking a lot, IMO. __________________ ----------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 10-14-2006, 11:59 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gmaltese am i missing bushings here? if so how hard is it to put in and also any dangers of doing this thanks glen Yes. I'd be worried about the rest of the bushings, and ball-joints at that rate. Yes, working around and with the front coil springs can be extremely dangerous. If after a search your confident in working around the springs, then you might try it, but if you're going to be working with a bumper jack in your driveway, I'd say take it to the pros. Or if you have any doubts about your ability, pay to have it done. Having it towed with it half way apart is a royal PITA. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-15-2006, 09:25 AM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ormand The difference between brand new rubber and poly is not that noticeable in handling, That depends on the bushing installation, and driver. If the bushings are installed properly, ie not in a bind, then the effective spring rate will be reduced ~50#/in. The polys should be about friction free in their movement, whereas the oem rubber ones, have to twist the rubber to move. FWIW, a 50#/in spring rate change, equates to roughly a 2 PSI change in tire pressure (in effective spring rate). __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-16-2006, 04:06 PM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gmaltese i was wondering, after looking at GBODYPARTS, if i can go to a tubular a-arm? has any one used these a-arms, if so i'd like to hear your comments on this, one last thing, if i go this route can i go POLY on the lower arms? I have double adj upper tubular A-Arms, with poly bushings and really like them. It was a major headache getting them remachined, while they were supposed to be a bolt on, that wasn't the case. My GN is kinda of in an altered state, and being able to run my own alignment specs., has been helpful. To date (after about a year's use), there have been no down sides. And the high speed tracking, and handling of the car has been improved. I've left the lowers stock, so as to have some *compliance*. With poly bushings, you will have some increase in road noise being transmitted into the car. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-16-2006, 04:45 PM #15 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ormand I like that! Sounds like a good compromise, to get good street handling, without getting the ride of a "race" car. With the braking capability of the latest vettes, doing that, and going to coil-overs, has generated a firm, but *comfortable* ride. FWIW, I have the GW lower rears, that are a combo of Heim, and Polys, and again it gives a good *average*, on the comfort scale. FWIWII, using the stockers on the lowers was from a guy that was an oem level suspension designer. The upper arm, does the lion share of determing the fronts geometry during roll, so a lil *slopiness* in the lower one, doesn't compromise the front end geometry much. With the lower carrying the load of the spring, it seems to make sense, and for sure works in practice. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." -------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 10-17-2006, 08:54 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Now this is good news Nice seeing China having problems such as this. Maybe, they will implode before we need to learn Chinese. http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1018/p01s04-woap.html __________________ ------------------------------------ Old 10-18-2006, 10:19 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by nero Any suggestions? Just don't tell me anything ceramic How do you drive the car?. Are you worried about brake dust?. For performance work, the Autozone performance carbon metallics have worked well for me. Trouble is they're slow to heat up compared to some softer pads, so around town others will do better. The raybestos premium were a good compromise, IMO. I've gone to the LS1 fronts (and reaes), and they're great with just the stock GM pads, IMO. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 02:48 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Seems like Oprah for *men*. IMO, some are interesting for their tec content. Watching guys hammer out a gas tank, is interesting, to me. It seems as of late thou, there's a lot of rehashing of what's been done before. $100K, sure for the rich posers, why not?. Pinks?, there's been a couple of teams that have really just out thought their opponents, and that always fun to watch. One time gave up using their NOS, but it was fake to begin with it... ___ -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 07-30-2006, 12:05 PM #15 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 The problems with the oem harnesses *can be*: Corrosion from poor sealing to the injector connector. Internal fracturing of the wires from vibration. Overheating of the wire/insulation by the EGR valve. Poor connections at the harness connector. IMO, going to a later injector connector is worth while. The newer style is much more less corrosion prone/ poor connection prone. But, your problem sounds ignition related. If you want to make HP, then you need to get away from that NB, and step up to a WB, and EGT..... Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-10-2006, 06:27 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by JDSfastGN I'm in the market for a wideband setup. I really don't need anything fancy. Just something to take my air/fuel and record it. What are my options. Ive been looking at NGKs new units, as well as PLX and the LM1. Money is kinda tight so it is part of the equation. (are any of these units extremly expensive to replace the 02?) I did some searches and did find a few mentions off al the mentioned brands but just wanted to get some more ideas. I also want to be able to switch it back and forth between my dads car and my car(so a 2 1/16 gauge is really not an option). I understand ill need to weld bungs on both. Any particular good places? Ive heard at an angle towards the bottom of the downpipe. Thanks for any and all advice. After another disappointing trap speed at the track i really need to know what the car is really doing. I just so happen to have/ had, all 3. I had an early PLX, and was unhappy with the sensor life with it (ie it lasted less then a month). The LM1 has been trouble free for years. The NGK, while as of yet unused, has had it's calibration bench tested, and seems button on, with them being the designers of the sensor, it's only seems logical that they fully understand the finer points of the controller. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-10-2006, 06:27 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by JDSfastGN I'm in the market for a wideband setup. I really don't need anything fancy. Just something to take my air/fuel and record it. What are my options. Ive been looking at NGKs new units, as well as PLX and the LM1. Money is kinda tight so it is part of the equation. (are any of these units extremly expensive to replace the 02?) I did some searches and did find a few mentions off al the mentioned brands but just wanted to get some more ideas. I also want to be able to switch it back and forth between my dads car and my car(so a 2 1/16 gauge is really not an option). I understand ill need to weld bungs on both. Any particular good places? Ive heard at an angle towards the bottom of the downpipe. Thanks for any and all advice. After another disappointing trap speed at the track i really need to know what the car is really doing. I just so happen to have/ had, all 3. I had an early PLX, and was unhappy with the sensor life with it (ie it lasted less then a month). The LM1 has been trouble free for years. The NGK, while as of yet unused, has had it's calibration bench tested, and seems button on, with them being the designers of the sensor, it's only seems logical that they fully understand the finer points of the controller. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-17-2006, 05:23 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 A TR doesn't have an oil cooler, it has a heat exchanger. It serves 2 purposes, one to help heat the oil up quicker when cold, and to stablize it's temp., once *hot*. The TRs were the first hot rod GM car with DIS, and the ability to run A LOT of advance in cruise conditions. Meaning over 45d. Until the advent of DIS the typical max advance was ~36d. That additon timing puts a lot more heat into the oil, hence needing an oil heat exchanger. Not to mention the TRs were designed to run with the least amount of emissions equipment as possible. With a low timing cruise mode, my oil temps rarely exceed 200dF. Which is fine without a heat exchanger. Back to back runs can start to put a lot of heat into the oil thou. If your drag racing, and making passes every couple hours, then IMO you want to run a heat exchanger, or oil cooler. It won't hurt to run an oil cooler, and if in any doubt, will be cheap insurance should the *need* to make some back to passes is necessary.. I don't run one on my car, but I do run a temp. guage so that I do know what's going on. IMO, if running without a cooler you want to be very religious about oil changes, since heat does break down some components of engine oil. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 02:55 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Doc1of7 With a low timing cruise mode, my oil temps rarely exceed 200dF. Which is fine without a heat exchanger. I should add, that you want to run close to 210dF, so as to percolate as much of the water that condensates in the crankcase out of the system. And you want to avoid running over about 270dF, in a street car. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 06:05 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by GNCOL Most of us run a 160* thermostat. Does this have a better or worse affect on the oil condition? It drops it a little, BUT, the problem is that engines are clearanced to run at a specific temp.. Dropping the temp., increases the piston to cylinder wall clearance, which is not a good thing for blow-by, or engine life in general. If lower engine temps., were a good thing, for an endurance motor you'd see the NASCAR, LeMans, F1 guys running low temps., and they don't. For a 7 sec run, where an engine can live in light detonation, the added clearances amount to less internal engine drag (or so some claim). If your racing for money, then by all means try it, but for a street motor, properly tuned, there's no gain that I've been able to measure. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 06:08 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Mark E. Interesting topic. Comes up every now and then, but usually no one monitors oil temp. Any one else have a temp guage and no cooler? While you only saw less then a 10dF change, what was the time difference in how long it took the oil to come up to temp..? I'm running a guage, and no cooler. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 09:09 PM #19 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by GNCOL If I want to reinstall my 180* thermostat, do I need to have my Extender chip updated for 180*? Sorry for topic change. Yes, you want to raise the fan temp *on* setting. If you have a Direct Scan, you can watch at what temp the fan does turn on, if your at 185 you'd be OK. If it's lower then that, then it'll run almost all the time. BTW, it's also much easier to keep an engine at 180-5 then in the 170s on a hot day. FWIW, I run a 180 stat, and a 200dF fan, *on* temp.. FWIWII, and I've been running a mule engine for years now, with only one head gasket replacement, and one rering. The head gasket was after 4 years of 28 PSI, and the rering due to an injector sticking *on*. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 10:08 PM #21 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Mark E. My sensor is in the pan. Where is your sensor and what temps do you see? Mine is in the *out* line from the oil pump to the remote filter. 170-190, at freeway speeds (or higher), 200-220 in town, or after a pass. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-19-2006, 06:54 PM #27 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by tom h Do any of you with only the external cooler, bother with a thermostat? My work in progress GN powered hotrod, is going to be using a LT1 cop car oil cooler, and an Earl's thermostat. ---------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rating: Thread Rating: 2 votes, 1.00 average. Display Modes Old 10-18-2006, 06:24 AM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 What is the correct relationship of the crank sensor's shutter wheel to the keyway?. ie if looking at the back of the harmonic balancer, should the edge of the shutter line up with the left side of keyway, center, or right side?. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 07:52 AM #2 (permalink) pacecarta ..like monte carlo fast? pacecarta's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 1,881 not sure by how you asked but the crank blade must pass through the crank sensor at furthest slot from the plug end and blade should be centered in the gap , approx .030 gap front and back and not so deep as to touch the sensor __________________ Paul, -- www.MAGNAbuick.com --NJ STATE REP 86 GN 10.41@126.99, 6.576@102.80, 1.431 best MPH 104.91, 128.92 w/wideband correcting magna having fun at atco/10.4 passes 87 GN 12.030@108 stock turbo, best mph 109.88!! 11.42@116.9 ,7.2@94, 1.57 TA49 all times with 200-4r , 93 octane and alkycontrol PAC TurboTweak chips mickey thompson radials Englishtown Raceway Park/ pacecarta is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 07:56 AM #3 (permalink) pacecarta ..like monte carlo fast? pacecarta's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 1,881 oh i got ya now your looking to verify the correct relation the crank wheel blade slots to the keyway slot in balancer snout to see if yours is correct or spun causing the car to run out of time anyone else know , i dont but i do know the keyway slot is cut to be dead center of the #1 crank throw , so that when key way is pointed at center of #1 piston bore you are at TDC #1 __________________ Paul, -- www.MAGNAbuick.com --NJ STATE REP 86 GN 10.41@126.99, 6.576@102.80, 1.431 best MPH 104.91, 128.92 w/wideband correcting magna having fun at atco/10.4 passes 87 GN 12.030@108 stock turbo, best mph 109.88!! 11.42@116.9 ,7.2@94, 1.57 TA49 all times with 200-4r , 93 octane and alkycontrol PAC TurboTweak chips mickey thompson radials Englishtown Raceway Park/ Last edited by pacecarta : 10-18-2006 at 07:59 AM. pacecarta is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 08:38 AM #4 (permalink) Ormand Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,091 Hey, Doc, there was another thread about timing that discussed this. I believe it was Eric (turbofish) who mentioned having a balancer hub that was "off index", and he described how he checked it, and how he fixed it. I know that's not exactly what you asked, but it should get you there, in a kind of roundabout way. It might have been on the tb board, instead of this one, but it was not too long ago. __________________ George W- Ormand is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 02:59 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ormand Hey, Doc, there was another thread about timing that discussed this. I believe it was Eric (turbofish) who mentioned having a balancer hub that was "off index", and he described how he checked it, and how he fixed it. I know that's not exactly what you asked, but it should get you there, in a kind of roundabout way. It might have been on the tb board, instead of this one, but it was not too long ago. I'll try running it down with that data. Thou, TB is dead as far as I'm concerned. Thanks __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 03:38 PM #6 (permalink) gbsean Zap is in Charge.... gbsean's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Flanders, N.J. Posts: 5,612 Send a message via Yahoo to gbsean Quote: Originally Posted by Doc1of7 correct relationship of the crank sensor's shutter wheel to the keyway?. ie if looking at the back of the harmonic balancer, should the edge of the shutter line up with the left side of keyway, center, or right side?. my motor is out sitting with crank and pistons attached...i can look and take picture if you want __________________ yes it is that big JCC RACING BPG # 1950 87 Grand National 07 Dodge Hemi Charger R/T AWD 06 Dodge Durango SLT AWD www.jccracing.com gbsean is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 06:35 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gbsean my motor is out sitting with crank and pistons attached...i can look and take picture if you want If you would please. I have 3 here, and all 3 vary. Maybe it'll match one of what I have. Thanks __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 06:46 PM #8 (permalink) ijames Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Laurel, MD Posts: 28 http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/sho...light=jdestill is one thread, John posted this a few times over the years. Basically edge of ring should line up with tdc mark on balancer. __________________ Regards, Carl Ijames ijames is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 09:37 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by ijames is one thread, John posted this a few times over the years. Basically edge of ring should line up with tdc mark on balancer. THANKS !! The link to the one photo shows it centered on the keyway, which is what I was looking for. Instead of playing with chips, just interupting the EST line, will show you what your *base* timing is. I dunno about the ring slipping thou, I had to really beat on it to take it off. I guess thou, if the tolerances stacked up in all the wrong directions, and it was hot enough anything is possible. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-19-2006, 07:23 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Turns out the answer is in the V6 Power Book. There is an offset to the way the shutter wheel is set in relationship to the key way. While they talk about the Indy Car Ignition system, the code for one of the GM Race ECMs that I bought, that used that system, had the same block of ignition code as the production 148s used. If you line the shutter wheel up, on the center of the keyway, you should have 0d base timing. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." --------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 09-16-2006, 01:52 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 I first installed a remote starter solenoid, then added a fusible link, and a set of Bosch relays. I'd bought a coule used TR harnesses, and had plenty of wire available, and did my own stand alone EFI harness. I also moved the ecm location to under the passenger seat, so that I can set it on the seat when doing chips, which just makes it all the easier to work on things. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-20-2006, 02:11 PM #15 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut How did you bring the wires through the firewall on the drivers side? Casper's sells weatherpack bulkhead connectors.. They're a real nice piece. --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-19-2006, 08:24 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut Now that I know my motor is shot again, I am sick of not knowing exactly what the specs are on my motor. I am looking to get a quality set of measuring tools to measure the bore, bearing journals, endplay, etc. This time around, no matter what the machine shop says, all clearances will be checked by me. I am open to suggestions on what tools and brands of tools to get to be able to check all necessary parameters. Expensive tools are meant to last, so for the ocassional engine build, you can save a lot, by just using reasonably priced ones. The V6 Power Book has a few pages about what dimensions to record, so you can always look up what you did. Knowing your *baseline* is always a good thing, IMO. Technique plays a big role in how to use measuring tools, ie practice, practice, practice... __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-20-2006, 02:14 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 2QUICK2B6 whats wrong with plastigage checking bearing clerance ? There was a time, when it wasn't considered being accurate. From what I recall, there were claims that it could *dry out*, and cause a false reading. I've used it in various mule engines, without a problem, but I always get a fresh piece for a new job. -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-12-2006, 06:50 PM #15 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by salvageV6 I don't think so, they are mechanically linked and if timed with a caspers timing thingy it is mechanically set at 25 degrees ATDC on the crank to open the winder on the cam sensor trigger. Assuming the crank is marked right. Next question is an interesting one, is the CAM sensor signal active for more than 1 Ignition ie. cylinder firing? It signals #6 but will the cam pulse (active low) stay 'on' for the #5 ign. firing, is that possible? Assume maximum timing of about 30 degrees advanced. I measured the cam sensor and it is active 10% of its revolution. Meaning it is on 20% of the crank time I believe. I'm not talking about overlap with possible crank shaft sensor pulses either but actual ign. ones. Also anyone know the relationship at a given ign. timing between the reference crank sensor and the actual crank sensor pulses? The ignition timing is based on the crank trigger. The ecm figures a time delay based on rpm to convert things into a *point* signal. The ecm looks for a signal *low* (on the cam sensor) for selecting when to start the SEFI chip. The code sets the programming of the SEFI chip. The ignition module uses the cam sensor signal to start a 1-3 counter for selecting which coil to fire. Might be easier if you said what you're trying to do, to explain what you're looking for. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Old 10-13-2006, 09:56 AM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by salvageV6 When going from startup module timing, which is either off the crank sensor itself, or the reference pulses generated by the module, please answer if you know what the difference is between those two ie. conditioning time-wise? then to the ECM control of timing and ign. wouldn't there be a skip or delay when the module switches? Say from fixed 10 degree startup to 35 degree idle timing.... I guess if it is then it's insignificant, and the pulses generated by the ECM aren't cylinder specific then? That would make sense if there's a counter in the module. The module from the cam sensor pulses sets up the coil linear timing order. Or does it only need one initial pulse to set up that counter and then it repeats off the crank signal? Just wondering how often the cam sensor is monitored to reference the #6 cylinder for ign. firing. Not really trying to do anything at this point but understand how it works, exactly. The switch over occurs at 375 RPM. With a strong battery, and with things operating correctly a GN engine spins at about 300 RPM during crank. So you'll never notice the difference, not to mention there's a startup IAC count that decays out when the engine first runs. No, they're not cylinder specific. According to what I've read, all it needs is one pulse to be operation. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-13-2006, 06:17 PM #19 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by salvageV6 Might have to drag out the scope to see the crank sensor vs. ref. pulses and EST pulses for a looksee. The crank sensor pulses, in code jargon, are called DRPs (Distributor Reference Pulses).. The crank sensor and ref pulses are the same thing. The EST being the signal out from the ecm with the code's timing corrections. The Bypass state sets weither the EST line is being used or not. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-14-2006, 07:58 AM #21 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by salvageV6 Aren't the reference pulses conditioned or squared up crank sensor pulses by the modules electronics? Are they possibly delayed or modified in some way? The senors are Hall Effect, so no squaring up is needed. The oem code is so good that it allows for the firing time of the power transistors of the coils, and gives a time correction for that. If there was some added timing/ or manipulation by the module, there'd be a correction in the code for that, and there isn't. In the HEI dissy code, they even allow for the *time* due to the alternator/ generator effect of the pick-up/ reluctor, as RPM increases. While it was the first of the SEFI codes GM used, the GN code was extremely well thought out. The only thing better then the GN code that I've seen is the GM Race Car stuff (from the oems, Bailey has taken it to a new level with his stuff)..... Sorry, starting to drift off topic. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-14-2006, 01:01 PM #23 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by salvageV6 According to the rudimentary documentation in the service manual both the cam and crank sensors are buffered in the module before their output to the ECM and being used to fire the IGN in startup. Probably a simple op-amp. but the scope will tell if there's any significant timing delay between the sensor pulses and the ECM buffered feed I guess. It'd take an R/C circuit to add any time delay. Not to mention that the manuals are all designed to make things teachable to Joe Average Mechanic. Op-Amps aren't going to add any signifigant delay to any signals (well shouldn't). I'd be interested to hear if you find anything sig time wise. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 02:51 PM #27 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by salvageV6 Here's the raw cam vs. the raw crank at 850 idle. Hmm, being Hall Effect sensors, I'd have thought the signal would have been about perfect to begin with. I guess it does take a lil conditioning. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-20-2006, 02:18 PM #31 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by salvageV6 Or what most aftermarket chips have for timing at idle? I'd say the average is about 24d. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-20-2006, 02:23 PM #32 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by salvageV6 Almost perfect and I guess the 10 degree BTDC crank signal starts the car in the module. Nope, the 10d is due to the offset from TDC of the crank sensor. Disconnect the Bypass line, and you should see 10d. Disconnecting the bypass line gets you back to *base timing*. If you look in the code, you'll see a ref angle entry. That converts to 10d, and is the correction for base timing. The ref angle is subtracted out of the spart timing calcs.. The 10d is to provide *some* timing for when in *limp home mode*. BTW, the true meaning of limp home mode is when the ecm isn't using the process. The engine is just running on the RFD (redundant fuel devise), and base timing. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-20-2006, 05:11 PM #34 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by salvageV6 I thought the raw crank signal was mechanically fixed at 10BTDC and 50% duty cycle? Rising edge at 350 degrees falling edge 50 degrees rising edge 110 degrees falling edge 170 degrees rising edge 230 degrees falling edge 290 degrees and rising edge at 350 degrees again. If so comparing the last pic. crank signal to the EST line on the translator gets some very odd timing there. Yes, the base/ mechanical timing is at 10d, but there is a dwell calc in the code. I'd doubt there's a 50% DC, but I've never checked that. GM HEI modules do dwell control as a means of current limiting, ie so they don't have to use a ballast resistor. I'd suspect the same is true of a DIS module. __________________ ------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-19-2006, 06:45 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Hydroboosts have one major flaw, ie using a Spool Valve. It over rules the pedal, and can cause a slow release of the brakes, or self application of them. For a lazy street car, or truck that can be some what tolerated, but for something as quick as a GN, I'd be leery of them. It seems that a lot of people like, a low effort brake pedal, which means a lot of assist. The problem with that is you lose the pedal feed back, and while yes you can lock up the brakes, all that does is increase your stopping distance. I have yet to drive another GN (stock weight) that stops as well as mine does, and I have manual brakes (and LS1 brakes front and rear). Stopping power is about rotor mass, lining area, rotor diameter, and line presure (meaning a properly sized M/C, and proper pedal ratio). Running *just* the line pressure up by adding more assist only gains you the ability to stage, a little better, at the expense of little to no pedal feedback, and a tendency to lock 'em up. Not to mention toss a belt, have an engine stall, or break an engine, and you then wind up without the assist, and an EXTREMELY hard pedal, and it'll take almost forever to stop the car. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-19-2006, 07:32 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by stevemon I'm not sure about the slow brake release on the HB brakes. ****and can cause a slow release of the brakes**** The key word is, *can*. A perfectly working system, *can* be fine, less then that, and the spool valve can be slow to move, and even slowly reapply itself. This is according to *Front End Magazine*, one of the automotive trade magazines. If you want to search the TB.com board, I believe I included the month and year of the issue I quoted. It's not a matter of my opinion, it's a documented fact. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-19-2006, 07:45 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ormand That's just the old NACA designs, that use 1970 Valvoline racing brake fluid. The newer models have all those issues resolved. See here:HydraTech Description of Hydroboost These guys have one model, not sure it's the exact same as the one Summit has. Power Brake Service also has them, and Bosch makes them for many diesel applications. As I mentioned above, the 'vette people like them. Not always, but in general, Corvettes have better brakes than turbo Buicks, so if they're happy with them, most of us would be too, IMO. Still sore over you erroneous quote about NACA, and Bumble Bees?. Where in there does it mention they've removed the spool valve, I can't find that section. As long as there's a spool valve, from all the diagrams I've seen of the systems, there is still no mechanical link from the brake pedal that prevents a slow release or application of the HB brakes. Yep, they're great for applications where they need a lot of assist, ie engines with no vacuum signal, trucks (and other heavy weight vehicles). The vette brakes are a completely and totally different system then the GN have, and if you search T6P, and TB, I posted my stopping distances with manuals on my GN that matched the latest non ZO6 vettes. Again, with manuals. BTW, ask J Cotton, C Harline, M Licht, or Bob Bailey about the stopping ability of my car if you doubt my word, as they've all driven it. Yes, it takes a slightly (very slight) heavier amount of pedal pressure, but NO engine failure will prevent my brakes from working. Again, properly matched components (note, the plural form of the word) are the best alternative, I thought as an engineer you'd see that. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-20-2006, 01:57 PM #20 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ormand As mentioned, the 'vette boys are happy with Hydroboost. I don't really know much about the internals of the latest systems, but I do know that in many cases, the hydroboost attaches to the OEM mastercylinder, replacing the vacuum booster. Not exactly sure how it could "boost" unless the brakes were being applied. And if the boost goes away, they have the accumulator, and after that, it will be like manual brakes. Which are said to be wonderful. Of course, for those of us that still have stock calipers, and the stock 10-1/2" rotors, maybe not so wonderful. (more components=more money) By the way, how do you modify the brakes to overcome the big disadvantage a turbo Buick has in weight distribution, as compared to a 'vette? 55/45 just won't stop as well as 49/51. Just as a side note- newer V8 Mustangs and Cobras use the hydroboost. So if you have driven one of those, you can judge the brakes for yourself. Until you read up on the system, and it's failure modes, you'll not understand them. If you decide to read up on them, like I've mentioned pay attention to the *Spool Valve*. If you do the math, you'll see the caliper bore matching/ rotor sizing do work out for a GN, using the LS2 brakes off of a F-Body. The Vette have alot more compromising in the ride quality then I do, so between the higher rate front springs, the car being on coil-overs at all 4 corners (on my car). One thing about speaking in absolutes is that sometimes there just no true. I just reported my results, you have to choice of believing them or not. BTW, did you write any of the people I mentioned to verify how well my car stops?. So?. I really don't care what Ford is doing. I do care about reliable well thought out braking systems. I can't think of a more overlooked system in the GNs. with the performance capabilities of one with even slight mods.. BTW, have you ever worked on a HB system?. Might try talking to someone that was around during the GM 350 Diesel era about just how reliable they were in the long term. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-20-2006, 02:07 PM #21 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by TurboDave I really don't think it's fair to use the engine failure scare tactic that most use. Even if the engine fails, the brakes don't, they just don't have power assist. And realistically, how common are engine failures at "speed"?? Very uncommon in reality. In over 45 years of driving, I've only suffered one engine failure at normal driving speeds, and that was because of a stupid mistake I made in running my hotwire kit. I have no doubt that your car has plenty of stopping ability, knowing your abilities as I do. But, how much pressure can realistically be applied to your braking system to hold against boost at the drag strip? Maybe you don't race your car very much and it's a non issue for you. Some of us have street/strip (more strip than street) cars that need some hefty braking pressures for brake torqueing(sp). Scare?........ IMO, brakes should be as reliable as possible. Just losing them while pulling out of the garage, can ruin your day. BTW, what did it for me, on going to manuals, was because on a cold morning, with vacuums, I was pulling out of the garage, and I *blipped* the throttle to keep the engine from stalling, and for an instant, lost *MOST* of the vac, and when I went to hit the brakes, there was no assist, and while I was only *rolling*, it took alot longer to stop. The last day of the PMs was when then failed 2 blocks from the house after a 800 mile drive. Ya, there should have been enough assist for several stops, bzzt it didn't work out that way for me. Call be overly cautious, but I now have a system that has a min part count, and will work, reguardless of what the engine's doing. I can stage at 12 PSI. I can also stage 4-5 with launch assist, and leave even harder. BTW, that 4-5 is with the throttle on the mat, and engine *limited* to 3,000. Again, it can be a matter of a systems approach, ie use the brakes for stopping, and the ecm for *really* being able to launch the car from a stop. While I don't frequent the strip, I've spent A LOT of time working out Launch assist, and traction control strategies. Key words, *A LOT*, I doubt that many cars have had as many from a stand still launches as mine has. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-20-2006, 04:10 PM #23 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofish38 All I want is reliable assist system. I still like to think of my GN as a DD which means all I want to do is drive it with the least amount of effort. Its got that Buick image to live up to after all. Have you driven a properly set up manual system?. Until then your not dealing with all the relevent info.. Least amount of effort?, sure you can do that with any system, but you're not going to have any pedal *feel*, and thus more prone to lock-up. Not to mention when somethings locked up, the stopping distances can take a huge turn for the worse. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Old 10-21-2006, 10:47 AM #25 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ormand There are DOZENS of new cars with excellent power assisted brakes. They all have stopping distances of less than 130 feet, from 60 mph, and many have distances less than 120- a few less than 110. So, if you don't insist on using 20th century technology, you can combine relative ease of driving with high performance. So?. Why make a system more complex then needed?. All that does is increase the failure rates. Not to mention the inherent problem with the TR is a lack of rotor mass, and pad area. Why not address the serious problems?, rather then worry about a several % increase in pedal pressure?. Not to mention that I'd expect that the GNs see more engine failures then the new cars experience. With a higher probability of engine failure, or an engine stall, it would seem just to make sense, to me anyways, to try and use the most bulletproof system possible. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ---------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-14-2006, 08:22 AM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Y Maybe Mike L has some input on which WB unit seems to tolorate lead better in his opinion. I'm not Mike, but stayed at a Holiday Inn once..... I've run both sensors right up next to each other, and they both fared well. With the Honda (NGK) version running at a higher temp., it will inherantly not allow lead deposits (or any others) to stick to it, as easily as a Bosch. Both were designed for unleaded use, so neither is going do well at resisting lead poisoning. Particulate matter is an issue folks just seem to want to ignore, and continually mount the sensors too close to the engine. Down by where the cat was is fine. Especially since it gives the particles that are *gummy* time to turn more flakish, from the results I've seen. Not to mention some folks are running terrible, cold start-up routines (especially the aftermarket guys). If you want the ulitmate in sensor life, then use one a spark plug fouler, and chop it up to pull the sensor out of the exhaust stream. Trouble with that thou, is that it really slows down the responsiveness of the AFR changes. ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-22-2006, 10:59 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by alphaenvirmgt Is it possible to foul a FAST O2 sensor? I left the coil pack ground wire loose and fouled three sets of plugs (over-rich mixture) before the problem was discovered. Engine is not running right. Trying to figure out what is wrong. Sensor is black! Can a O2 sensor be cleaned? Conrad Yep. You can **try** cleaning, by running it through a couple warm up cycles. Remove the sensor from the pipe. ***It will get EXTREMELY HOT, doing the following*** BE SURE THAT IT CAN'T TOUCH ANYTHING FLAMABLE!..... Key on, for about a min.. Off for an hour or so. Repeat 1-2 more times. If it's going to clean up, it'll do it with that. FWIW, if you look into the end of the sensor, you can see the actual sensor turn Orange from being Hot.. That inner piece is about 1,600dF. You can slater enough fuel on the sensor that when it heats up, it cracks the porclean end of the sensing probe, and that'll kill it. There is no repair for that, or if water (condensation), did the same thing. Also, a fresh engine with *oiled* cylinders can pass enough oil to coat the sensor enough that it can't get hot enough, to function. Oh, and spray silicone, or the wrong engine gasket goo will kill em. FWIWII, not all *Sensor Safe* RTVs, are. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-22-2006, 10:33 AM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by mike41176 I took the gn out for a cruise and I found the boost gauge went all the way up to 19psi on wot on 93 sunoco pump. I noticed that the car had some problem on or about 15 to 16 on the way to 18-19. Is the what they would call knock retard? Can someone define knock retard for me? I just turned down the boost 3 revolutions on the wastegate. Hopefully she should be fine now. *Tuning* blind is expensive............. Get a Scanmaster, at a min, and perferably also get a Direct Scan. In the long run they'll pay for themselves, by avoiding blowing headgaskets or killing a set of rod bearings.. Knock is an adnormal combustion event (there are books on exactly what it is). Knock retard, is the ecm *hearing* knock, and then retarding the timing in an effort to prevent engine damage. Without a scan tool, you have no idea of your getting any knock retard, until it's too late. If you hear the engine *ping*, that means the ecm can't take enough timing out to prevent detonation, and that it is occuring. Detonation leads to expensive broke engine pieces. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-22-2006, 11:07 AM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Hissin' Buford I learned the hard way when I first got my car Doc..I beat the bearings out once and blew two hg's to boot later. I was really lucky in that reguard. My first real engine building was for a firm where we did R+D, for an oem. Did a lot of learning on someone else's nickels. Before that I got to see John Caldwell's work for the BRE Race Team (the Datsun, west coast race operation in early 70's) . John at last word was head of the Viper Endurance Race Engine Program. Probably explains my obsessiveness, with WBs, EGTs, code, etc., it doesn't take long working around folk like that to see what *good enough* really means. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ---------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-22-2006, 10:44 AM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 As sad as it is to still be finding remains, with the size of the event, just how can anyone expect a perfect clean up?. I can understand treating any new found pieces with respect, but to launch a new search for what might be hardly more then microscopic pieces, I think is going to an extreme. I continually wonder, why it's such a big deal in NYC, when OK City had just as serious of event, and they handled things so much differently..... Seeking closure for the lose of family or friends IMO, is a personal matter, and shouldn't be made part of the Feds business.... -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-17-2006, 07:20 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut I am not going to reconnect the PCV I think. How would these gasses going into my combustion chamber help. It's a matter of compromises. The purpose of the PCV is only to ventilate the crank case. Meaning draw outside air into it, to purge it of condensation, and acidic gases/ fluids that bypass the rings, and settle in the crankcase. If the engine is in good shape, these slight amount of gases aren't going to hurt the engine in any manner, and only lenghten the engine's life. As mentioned you need to figure out what's the cause of your blowby. If in fact it's blow by. With no PCV system, your also seeing some of the condensation being vaporized. If you live in a humid area, your *blow by* might be just vapor from condensation. When in doubt try doing things the way the engineers designed things. BTW, some rings especially low tension ones, can take along time to seat. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-17-2006, 10:03 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut BTW I have 735 miles on the engine (lots of WOT blasts), and 15 1/8 mile passes. Is that enough for rings to seat or could it take more? The larger the guage the better... 700 miles?, how many for break-in?. Did you set this up as a racing engine, or street engine?. If you want a quick break in like a race engine that means being super critical about things like cross hatch finish. If you did a street engine and have treated it like a race engine, you may have already glazed the bores, so that the rings won't ever seal right. First thou, reinstall the PCV system. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Quick reply to this message Old 10-17-2006, 10:44 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut My break in consisted of 25 minutes for the cam break in. After this it was run a few other times before driving, always varying RPM. After oil change I babied it for maybe 15 miles. Then I did some low boost, slow roll into the trottle quick pulls, watching directscan like a hawk. Later I did some medium boost pulls, followed by 15psi pulls (no knock). Pretty much I drove it normal, doing a lot of WOT runs for about 350 miles before I brought it to the track and made 15 1/8 mile passes. I now have over 700 on it of normal cruising and WOT blasts. Car never got over 175 degrees. When first started I had about 13 inches of vacuum at idle now I have about 15, not sure if that indicates seating or not. Setup more like a race engine, little loose on the clearances, on the high side of piston-wall clearances, etc. Let the machinist worry about crosshatch after he ordered the rings, what should he have done? I have a real problem with PCV however, as I didnt use a valley pan, and it pulls some SERIOUS oil at idle. Any suggestions? Joe I don't understand *more like a race engine*, you can't have it both ways. If you set it up loose, then at 750 miles with all that WOT it might be history already. Not to mention you only did the absolute min in monitoring the engine from the get go. I'm not trying to be rude here, just being frank is all. The rings or their tech people will give the grit of stone to be used, and degree of cross hatch for the final bore finish. Being the least sloppy at that stage is not a good thing. Did you listen to hear where the leakage was?. Open the throttle body to see if it's an intake valve problem, by the tail pipe to see if it's an exhaust valve, or a breather to hear if it's a ring. Sounds like you need to remove the intake, and install a gasket with an oil shield. BTW, keeping the hot oil off the bottom of the intake is a GOOD thing. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 06:20 AM #20 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut What is the best way to assure the motor is at exactly TDC? Why is a leakdown not taken at BDC anyway? By tested high, you mean a low amount of leakdown correct? A dial indicator. Or using a piece of welding rod/ pencil, and slowly coming up to TDC from both directions, and splitting the difference. You want the piston as square to the cylinder (and rod) as possible. One to prevent it rolling past TDC when you apply the air, and second to have the rings well seated. On some engines at BTC the skirt of the piston extends way below the cylinder bore, and would allow the rings not to be square to the bore. Yes, that's what it means. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 02:34 PM #27 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Unfortunately, it would seem that very few machine shops are equipped with the kind of equipment, experience, and patience required to obtain the designated finish. The one thing that is clear to me is that when properly installed, the rings seat virtually instantly...and if not...they never seal. After reading a jillion comments or so...I decided conventional moly faced rings look pretty good to me I don't know how much they've changed over the years, but it used to be no big deal about doing them, but, we're talking about at a shop that did real prototyping work at an oem level. While you can find shops that work at that level, they're usually charging a lot more then most people want to spend. Again, yep, but with the caveat of matching the useage to the clearances used. Yep, it's hard to beat *convention* in some areas. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 02:38 PM #28 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut I will have to talk to my machinist then I guess. When we agreed to try gapless rings the block had not yet been honed. He honed after we got the rings and the rest of the hard parts. I didn't know it was my responsibility to tell the machinist to use the correct stone for the rings he ordered Stuff like this is such a no win, no win situation, that there's just no way things are gonna work out. I'd wager he was acting in what he thought was your best interest. The instant you want a *race*, *street* engine, you've put yourself and him in a corner. You just have to decide which way you really want to go. I've been a simliar situation several times, trying to do the race/ street thing for myself, and some others, and it always, winds up being a mess, if things just don't so happen to go right. Some guys get by with more then what I'd run, but some guys are just always lucky. It never hurts to follow up, and stay in tune with your machinist. If he sees you as being *overbearing*, then you need to find a new one. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 06:22 PM #31 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut Doc, Could you please list the main differences of a "race" and "street" engine. Also, can a race engine be driven in a street car successfully, what changes have to be made in terms of maintenance? We have a law around our house called Depew's law, it's like Murphy's law doubled. What ever can go wrong, will go wrong at least 2 times. Loser bearing clearances, tight ring gaps, loser piston to clyinder wall tolerance, loser wrist pin clearance, finer cross hatch, a finer attention to detail, and the willingness to take the specs., right to the edge, valve seats that are just enough to seal, short valve guides, roller bearings used where ever possible, min crank thrust, crank throws that are *exactly* the same, cc'ing combustion chambers. Can they?, yes, but after a 50 mile cruise an all out drag engine would be about shot. A race engine is just that, it's meant to make as much HP as possible, AND that's at the expense of engine life. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 06:33 PM #32 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by MSDGN I'll put my 2 cents worth in...I have the TS top gapless rings in the motor I built...and I love them...not a hint of smoke or a drop of oil out the breathers... *****leakdown showed all cyls at 2.5%...***** the machine shop did ask what rings I was using and their composition so that the *****right stones would be used for honing...***** *****I also used the Quick Seat powder...***** I feel that it definitely helped...as for seating the rings you want to get into some boost...5-7 PSI as soon as you take the car out on the street...the pressure from the boost pushes the rings outwards and helps to seat them better...according to TS the rings are seated....or not...in the first 20 miles of driving...whether that's true or not I don't know... Gee, now where did I hear that before? Using a compound, I can see a 20 mile break-in, that was popular in the flat head days, with chrome rings. Just old stuff coming around again, IMO. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 09:28 PM #36 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut Livid, Joe Did you listen to verify where the air was leaking from?. Might be academic, but it never hurts to be as accurate as possible when doing diagnostics. BTW, I've had my share of engine failures over the years. Learning is always an expensive proposition. As long as you learn as much as possible, it'll cut down future loses. Not to mention having a critical thought process will start to reveal itself in other areas of your life, and IMO is what really makes this all worth while. *We can rebuilt him, better, faster, stronger* __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-18-2006, 10:13 PM #38 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut From what I could tell the noise was coming through the pushrod holes and such. Ya, that'd be a ring/ piston problem. From the sounds of things, in this case, a ring issue. Drat...... __________________ LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rating: Thread Rating: 3 votes, 1.00 average. Display Modes Old 10-18-2006, 10:36 PM #41 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut How much material does a hone remove? I know I havent gotten this far yet but this will be the third time the engine would be honed with the same pistons. I know my machinist went on the high side of wiseco's piston to wall clearance. Third time?. What clearances are you running?. It depends on what you're having to do. Removing a glaze might only be .0005, if the bores were *perfect*, but perfect bores are really rare. If you're on the high side, and running a 160 thermostat, you were flirtin with disaster to begin with, for a street motor, IMO. Not trying to be too picky here, but folks just don't realise how much time is put into getting the shape of the piston right so that at operating temps., it fits properly in the bore. The wrist pin area, with all it's mass, vs the bottom of the skirt expand at drastically different rates. Part of the reason for the ultra tiny race pistons is to reduce the piston mass so that it fits the bore better when at operating temp.. It was NOTHING to run 20-25 different piston dimensions before settling on a final design, and this was based on years of past experience to call upon. Guys that do some of the mundane things like piston sizing are generally really well clued in folks. Over the years, I've gotten to where more and more, I see their logic, and when things are really right how good things can fit together and last. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Old 10-19-2006, 07:00 PM #46 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 [quote=Steve Wood] In the old days, we used to wipe the cylinders with some Comet /QUOTE] Bon Ami (sp), was another one. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------------------ LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rating: Thread Rating: 2 votes, 1.00 average. Display Modes Old 10-22-2006, 11:17 AM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 TPS back to back comparo..... I had a TPS go bad, and beings it was the weekend wound up going with a *Standard Brand* replacement. First off, I couldn't set it down as low as the old one was, but tried it anyway. Naa, even with it adjusted as far down as I could get it, the car did not have the same *feel*. So tried a *Wells* (I may be off on the brand name, but it was another aftermarket replacement). While I got the TPS setting closer it still didn't have the same *feel* as the first one. So I got one from GM. Bingo, was able to get my .38v TPS setting, and the *feel* returned. The *feel*, must be how the delta TPS AE is computed. Limiting the voltage range available does effect it. Maybe not enough to *see* in calc'ing the PW, but you (I) can feel the difference. Once again, it's just one of 'em parts best sourced from GM, IMO. (On various other lists, I've posted about the same issues in reguard to igniton modules/ coils, and MAT/ Coolant temp sensors. There's just enough difference, again, IMO, to make buying GM sensors, the only source in town for them.) __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-22-2006, 11:43 AM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Just a Six?? I wondered why my Standard never goes under 40-42 & thats with some major tweaking! Goes up to 48 easy enuf? Yep. While there is the matter of the base setting, there is also the rate of progression of the volatges per degree of TPS. Seems like GM is the only that's really correct. Thou, in some cars, that *error* might be a cure to some other problem. There's always someone that'll say, well brand so and so, fixed *X* problem with my car. __________________ ------------------------------------------ Old 10-23-2006, 06:37 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87LtdT We are probably gonna get my 5'0" tall a C5 Corvette in the next couple of months. She fits in the car OK but would prefer to sit about 2" higher than the seat allows. Any problem with fabbing 4 spacers 2" tall and place them between seat frame and floor and reattach with longer bolts?? Remember in an accident the G loads can be extremely high. I'd really study the mounts, and make sure they're up to the increased loads. ie., instead of one shearing point per corner, with a spacer you'd have two. Might consider using larger shank bolts, and washers (hardened) to spread the increased loads out. I dunno, if I'd be taking those risks, with air bags and such, it's hard telling what adverse effects any mods might generate. ________________ -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-22-2006, 10:36 AM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by robk46 The GN my son and I are restoring will see about 6k miles a year, so we're debating whether to go with 235/60/15 all the way around for rotation purposes, or go with the 235's in front, and get a couple of widened stock rims in the 15x8 size and go with a 255 or bigger tire in the rear. If we go that route, the car will look cooler, but I think we'll be putting new fronts on once a year. What do you guys do for tire sizes on your frequently driven Turbo Regals? 245/40x17s in the front, and 285/40x17s in the rear. Frame notched, and all hiden within a stock looking fender..... __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-22-2006, 11:08 AM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by robk46 IMHO the wider tires feel unstable when the side walls are extended too far past the 7 inch stock rim. I'll agree with you on that. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-22-2006, 11:33 AM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 The black steel rims are 9x17s, with the 285s The AL rims are 9.5x17s, with 285s. IMO, these are how the side walls should *look*, and with the straighter side wall, corner turn in, is greatly improved. Not to mention the tire patch from wheel spin shows a flat contact patch. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-22-2006, 12:08 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by robk46 Wow! The black rims look really cool! Makes the GN look really mean. Where did you get them? Jeg's has them. Trouble is they're heavy. If you want to run 15 *black rims*, Bassett makes them, and they're a lot lighter. Bassett is also a NASCAR Wheel supplier, and are excellent. I had 15x7, and 15x8, Bassetts for years. Ya, it just looks mean.... __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-22-2006, 02:35 PM #15 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Just a Six?? Do your Black ones look like these with the pinstripe? Curious? Fewer, but larger cut outs, and the Bassetts had 2 thin red pin stripes, and the 17s from Jegs didn't have any stripes. --------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-23-2006, 05:00 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog would you stop buying into their line of BS. The GOP has run this country into a ditch. Yep, nothing like being able to ignore the facts, and see past them..... Nope, it's about who folks are voting for. As long as they are voting for the likes of who are in Congress, and the White House, we'll continue to have problems. The parties are offering candidates that they think will win, and people continually vote for the same *profiles*. Seems like most everyone's lost being able to look at *long term* effects of their actions. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Old 10-23-2006, 06:31 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog I predict the govt will stay republican, either by means of cheating(diebold) or by brainwashing ( Rush Limbaugh) anyone who votes for these turkeys has to be on crack. They all should be thrown out on the torture vote ALONE.(dems and republicans) Nice seeing you support your opinion with logic, and facts. When folks forgo using facts, and logic, to make their decisions, I wonder if they're the ones that have been brainwashed. American politics, are just a reflection of the population, *we're* just seeing what goes around, coming around. With lying becoming so acceptible, and behaviour justifications based on what's found in *nature*, we'll see that behaviour in who gets elected. While some argue the US needs to get it's own house in order, it's more about each of it's citizens doing their part. ___________ -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-22-2006, 01:06 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by teamgn87 I just installed the direct scan that i bought used and I am having problems with it.The information that Im getting seems to be all screwed up. Make sure the DS connector isn't too deeply seated on the ecm's connector. ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-15-2006, 11:52 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87geeinn Can a slightly jumpy needle/slightly off (about 3 mph difference on speedo vs. Scanmaster mph) speedo housing cause issues with the VSS? I'm not getting a code 24 but that's probably because the problem is intermittent and is not lasting the required 15 seconds for a code to be set. I was out late last night playing and after some high speed runs I got back down to under 15 mph or so and the converter was staying locked at real low speeds bogging the motor down. Also, the converter was locking and unlocking at these same low speeds. The first though that came to mind was my frickin' TCC solenoid but I also have been noticing very erratic mph readings on the Scanmaster along with bucking/fuel cutting out because the ECM is getting all confused when this happens. So, again...can the speedo housing cause faulty VSS function? The needle is sorta jumpy and annoyingly noisy. It's kind of a grinding sound while cruising. Try lubing the speedo cable. A few drops of regular engine oil is all it needs. You have to R+R the instrument cluster to access the cable. While in there, make sure the *mirror* inside the speed head is grease free. You have to R+R a lil green (maybe it's yellow) assembly to see inside. It mounts right near the speedo cable's attachment point. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-15-2006, 02:54 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87geeinn So the answer is yes, a poorly lubed speedo cable can cause problems with the VSS? I don't want to pull the dash panel apart, lube the cable and find out I have to pull all back apart because I'm still having VSS issues, that's all. You have to start somewhere. The easiest and most likely cause, IMO, is a *dry cable*. If you want a guarantee, take it to a local shop, pay for a diagnose where they can pull things apart, and go from there. ------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 10-04-2006, 07:53 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Airbus having issues http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5916 __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-05-2006, 05:53 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator Hey! THANKS guys for the vote of confidence for Boeing. I have been building the 747's for more than 20 years. They've been leading edge since about forever, IMO. I still can't believe B-52s are in the air, and will be for at least another decade. Talk about an excellent track record. Now if the airports would step up and get past treating people as herds. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-06-2006, 06:56 PM #18 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofish38 In a way all of these threads about Airbus,Eruabia,WalMart and the SR 71 and so forth all tie into one another in some 6th dimension kind of way. Wierd aint it? I did a google on the U-2 during that last SR71 thread and found out Congress voted to retire it in 2011 and they had paid to have the entire fleet refurbished back in 1995 because they wanted to keep them flying up until 2050 or so. I just think its mind boggling that a jet aircraft can remain operational for 100 years. Whats even stranger is that there is no mention of alternative fuels to power this new breed of aircraft that Boeing is building reguardless of what that freak Richard Branson is preaching.Actually I wondered why the airlines never borrowed on the miltaries technology of in-flight refueling? I've been inspired again! I'm going to have to work on a new strategy to keep the GN up and running well past the years of my demise. Actually my neighbor hauled home his families 1911 Model T. It supposedly belong to his grandfather. Something about sentimental value was worth more than money with this car. I guess that is why I'll never sell the GN too. Don't count them out yet, the Shuttle replacement is still a long ways off, and without it to refuel and service Spy Sates, the US needs an *On call* Recon aircraft. Or at least one to talk about publically. The recon stuff all uses special fuels, as a min to eliminate vapor trails. And the military doesn't leak every new developement. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-06-2006, 07:01 PM #19 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofish38 I dont recall if I ever read anything about a son flying the same tailnumber that his father flew as far as the 52 goes. It would make a great story. I've heard that, but it's subject to Snoopes. There are some families, that have had 3 generations flying the 52s. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-06-2006, 07:09 PM #21 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Zap I am no aviations expert, but the picture of the Russian long range bomber got my attention when it appeared in the local paper. How many US long range bombers are prop jobs? None, the B-36 was the last operational US, Prop Long Range Bomber. One has to closely read that article to get the bottom of the *facts*. ie unaccompanied doesn't mean they weren't being watched. Seems like the author is entering some opinion into his *reporting*, IMO. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-18-2006, 08:29 AM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by GNBUICK87 well just picked up a TE 60 should i go with a 3200 stall and what brand converterwhat is better lockup or no lockup I've run both a 60, and 62 with my Yank (pro Stock), 2,850 stall converter and have been happy. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ----------------------------- other goodies that chip burning currently doesn't do. I read about the Full Throttle Power Logger thingy coming out that is going to make it possible to do wideband inputs and stuff like that which would be awesome, but I am still unsure which would be better. I know my car isn't currently that fast and I could just have someone else burn my chips for a tune, but I want to start tuning myself. I think with a different turbo, tires, and alky my car could hit low 10's with a lot of tuning time. Thanks, Joe __________________ 87 Cutlass powered by Mods: THDP, Dual 3", Erson 214/214, TE44, 60# mototrons, SMC Alky, Innovate LC1, Ported heads and intake by VPE, Wiseco Pistons, RJC Girdle, Ported TB, Powerstroke IC, HRParts Swaybar, Hoosier 28x10.5 with rolled quarters (no notch), no front swaybar, stock MAF, and some other small stuff. Best time so far on 16 psi and drag radials: Reaction: .5671 60 ft: 2.1157 330 ft: 5.6408 1/8 ET: 8.4698 1/8 MPH: 87.22 87bigcut is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-08-2006, 02:50 PM #2 (permalink) gbsean Zap is in Charge.... gbsean's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Flanders, N.J. Posts: 5,615 Send a message via Yahoo to gbsean I just got my Maft Pro and you need a chip burned to use it. My chip was also burned w/alky and injectors. I mainly got the MAFT PRO to eliminate the MAF sensor and be able to tune with a wide band and not swaping chips in and out and having to go thru the whole ing off ac on twiddle this twiddle that. I also hope that it will help getting that base tune before adding alky. I think it will also help with different weather changes etc...At least that is what I hope to get...I am sticking with DS for now but the New system sound awesome as a windows based platform and to have the extra inputs is a great idea....hmmm the more I think about it... __________________ yes it is that big JCC RACING BPG # 1950 87 Grand National 07 Dodge Hemi Charger R/T AWD 06 Dodge Durango SLT AWD www.jccracing.com gbsean is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-08-2006, 03:00 PM #3 (permalink) TurboDave Phone Doc TurboDave's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Sevierville, TN Posts: 1,112 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut I was wondering which is the better option. My goal is to learn more about tuning these cars. I have some programming backround, so I think I could pick up chip burning if I put the work in, but the MAFTpro uses wideband input a bunch of other goodies that chip burning currently doesn't do. I read about the Full Throttle Power Logger thingy coming out that is going to make it possible to do wideband inputs and stuff like that which would be awesome, but I am still unsure which would be better. I know my car isn't currently that fast and I could just have someone else burn my chips for a tune, but I want to start tuning myself. I think with a different turbo, tires, and alky my car could hit low 10's with a lot of tuning time. Thanks, Joe The MAF Tpro wont eliminate the need to get a chip burned, HOWEVER, it will eliminate the need to get a chip burned anytime you want to change the level of tune. After more than 15 years of burning my own chips, I was never so glad as to see the Translator stuff hitting the market. I haven't turned my chip eraser or burner on for over 5 years now. Thankfully! It's fun for a while, but gets old in a hurry, having to erase and burn a new chip anytime the slightest change is needed. __________________ TurboDave EWCS(SW) USN ret. H&N Turbo Racing Email Us Sevierville, TN 86 GN11.67@117.51(MAFTPro on SD w/boost control/Extender Pro) (original owner) 87 GN 12.95@105.50(Stock) (second owner) 84 Z28 L69 (original owner) 01 Excursion LTD TTS"race" chip 7.3L PSD(power stroke diesel) Turbo 4X2 My Photo Gallery TurboDave is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-08-2006, 04:47 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut I was wondering which is the better option. My goal is to learn more about tuning these cars. I have some programming backround, so I think I could pick up chip burning if I put the work in, but the MAFTpro uses wideband input a bunch of other goodies that chip burning currently doesn't do. I know my car isn't currently that fast and I could just have someone else burn my chips for a tune, but I want to start tuning myself. I think with a different turbo, tires, and alky my car could hit low 10's with a lot of tuning time. The good chips nowadays have modified the actual code. Which means cutting out unneeded routines, and fitting in the new stuff. Which is alot more complex then it sounds. For the ability to actually do things as best as possible, the MAFTPRO is the way to go. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-08-2006, 04:59 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 57c87gn It's time for another winter project. I can see that electronics just dont stand still. I need complete engine control that would be best for gn. very little street use & mabe a dozen trips to the track per year. so I'm looking for track application. fast, accell gen 7, max effort ???????? all confused. need something that will do it all. all replies appreciated. see signature for buildup. A ME or MAFTPRO will handle anything you want to do. Steve Y, and Bob Bailey are both great guys to deal with, and they care about their customers. Sometimes, the aftermarket stuff is too complex to really get the most out of for the new guy, IMO. I've seen more then a few guys get carried away with the ease of tuning with an aftermarket setup, and go right past optimum, without even knowing it. Learning to really get the most out of a given engine combo, envolves a learning curve, and with alot of options, and the lack of experience can lead to trouble. Again, IMO, with the combo you have, you're at a reasonable level to start getting into some serious HP, and going in steps, makes sense. Kinda like learning to walk before trying to run. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-08-2006, 05:44 PM #150 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by socalgn Kerry then told the students that if they were able to navigate the education system, they could get comfortable jobs - "If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq," he said to a mixture of laughter and gasps. [/b] Rat bastard ought to be ashamed of himself. Comments? Video link is on hotair.com Gee, what a complete surprise, hahahaa. A few of the *thinkers* here, have asked in the past about why they should bother to read a bio on Kerry, well if the had, they'd have seen this coming. He's the same lying cheat, papercut Purple Heart hero, he was on the Cavet show. He hates the military, and has did everything possible to get out of pulling his fiar share when he was on active duty. And to date still hasn't explained his discharge date being years late, and only after Carter's General Amnesty. It was laughable, when he said, *Reporting for Guty*, during the Demo Convention. Ya, probably would have done as good of job as he did in Nam, ie shooting up the country side, and filing for phoney metals. Sad seeing so many people swayed by his lip service. For a great auditor, he sure blew it. Oh, and the cover story about it being a joke, was the most pitiful lie he's told in years. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------------------------ Quick reply to this message Old 11-08-2006, 05:29 PM #33 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 The *problem* with Social Security was making it part of the General Fund. Anyone with a brain saw that it was a bad deal, but it was made part of it, and now here we are years later with a *underfunded* program. Ya, it's a complete waste, unless you happen to wake up one day, and not be able to work (ie breath). It's also not too bad, of choice if your company is bought out, and the cancel all the retirements. Talk to an ex TWA worker..... It was a great program, that was ruined by the greed of a few politicians. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote -------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-08-2006, 09:40 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by iownaGN-GS When my oil looks dirty, usually at 2 to 3 months, I change crankcase and filter. Looks can be misleading. The darkening of the oil is just from blowby of carbon past the rings. All engines have some, and unless you do alot of drag racing in that 2-3 months you're just wasting money. Using a chip that only has 36-39d of timing in cruise mode, will help with the oil not blackening so fast. N' use Steve's advise.... ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-10-2006, 08:17 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 [quote=acme racing] [b]I'm a Vietnam veteran, but i'm upset that illegals who aren't citizens and don't belong in our country and don't fight for our freedom, free school and health care, get better benefits than we do... [quote] It's sad testimony to hear so many claim to support the troops, and then have see the VA Health System continually underfunded. Not to mention the breaking of the promise for free health care. Odd that now just being here gets an illegal better health benefits then those that have fought in our countries name.... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-10-2006, 08:47 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by stevemon A Message from Secretary of Veterans Affairs R. James Nicholson They served our Nation honorably and well and we honor that service, but how do we honor the veteran ? the individual who put on the uniform and gave his or her all for our country? I wonder under what authority, he uses to make that suggestion. Yes, it's a nice thing to do, but, like the improper lowering of the flag to 1/2 staff, there are guidelines for the proper displaying of medals, and of the flag. Odd that he'd say that, with the VA health System being underfunded for so many years, and how America broke it's promises to the Vets, for free health care. While the current enlistees might not see it as a problem, the Promise goes back to when the US drafted folks, and part of the benefit package for risking one's life was Free Health Care. It's too bad *Support Our Troops*, is just now *feel good words* for so many folks. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------- Old 11-11-2006, 10:44 AM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gnetic86 Thanks...I saw a site somewhere where they showed a multimeter showing injector pulse width somehow but now I realize its an automotive multimeter apparently. I have a nice Fluke but its not automotive geared. I do have a nice O-scope but a full size one. (I used to be an electronics tech). Since a friend has an NA Regal with a computer feedback carb I was doing a lot of reading on those too...where they talk about using a Dwell meter in 6 cylinder mode to see the mixture rate of the carb (solenoid). That thing is probably way slower than a fuel injector though. I may have to drag the o-scope out and mess with it again. The CCC systems pulse the solenoid at 10 Hz, as I recall. Yep, very slow compared to an injector. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-11-2006, 12:35 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by kenmosher I have a really cool little handheld scope that works amazingly well for a lot of quick measurements ... it's a Vellman and about $150 Vellman scope I have the professional model (It was around $250 IIRC), but the biggest difference is the ability to time shift stuff a bit and a faster resolution capability. Really neat and you can actually hook it up to the PC as well ... I tried the $150 when they first came out, and wasn't very happy with it. That pro, and the USB scope versions thou more money, look interesting. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------ LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 11-11-2006, 12:48 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 A Braking Must Read Just more info., for those that choice to be informed. Interesting explaination for the *WHY* to break in brake pads properly. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-11-2006, 02:59 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Zap Someone forgot the link. Must be all the excitement over Woods' birthday! Hmm, I wonder who that was?. http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml Naaa..... My mind just went on holiday..... --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-10-2006, 08:56 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Orlando_87GN The bee in my bonnet is the fact that people some people just love to wreck for sale threads, and it's always someone that has nothing to do with the sale! It happens all the time, can't make a rule about it, it's a free country. If you'd been accurate in the discription, then there wouldn't have a problem. I've never heard of any selling a set of pocket ported heads, and calling them ported. For the price you advertised, I was interested, IF THEY'D BEEN AS ADVERTISED, ie Ported, once you posted pics of what you were actually selling, obviously the deal wasn't so great. IMO, if you or anyone else want to sell parts, it's the sellers obligation to be accurate in discribing the parts. If a buyer has to ask guestions, the buyer, should be willing to clarify any misunderstanding, without an attitude. IMO, you owe Dave an apology. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-11-2006, 10:50 AM #23 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Keeping it fair, for those that actually read the posts concerning the work done to the heads, there is no doubt as to the extent of worked performed. Combining the description of the initial posts, and the follow replies, it takes some effort to be misled. Then when the price is factored in, it is a very fair deal concerning Champion has just freshened up the valve jobs. But not in the first posting where he called the heads *ported*. It was only after posting pics, and guestioned about the porting he mentioned they were just pocket ported. No one said the price was unfair. Yep, once all the questions were asked and answered, there was a clear view of the matter. It would have been a great price if they had been fully ported or smoothed out. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-11-2006, 11:22 AM #28 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Ya, just eliminate everything not totally related to TRs. Let's just not have any discussions, and limit all the conversation to things that no one can possibly get upset about. Maybe MORE practise in communication is the answer, not min it........ __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-15-2006, 10:47 PM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog better to be safe than sorry. How much are you willing to sacrifice, to be safe rather than sorry?. Are you willing to move into a mud hut, and eat cold food?. If not than your just game playing.... Let's look at the worst polluters, the Space Shuttle, then high flying aircraft (how do you think heavier then air particulate matter gets into the *Ozone region*), coal burning power production (mandatory electrical consumption reduction), eliminating A/C (cars and homes). Making any meaningful changes are going to be painful. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-16-2006, 05:55 PM #25 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Altho I thought they had quit using asbestos in brakes, Had a guy that worked for me die of the kinda cancer that asbestos causes I suspect kevlar, etc. is not much better on the lungs, tho...foreign substance is a foreign substance...lest it is homegrown anyway They have (or at elast reduced the amounts to only PPB). Any one strand, hitting the exact cell can cause a cancer to form, and grow. It's in large part just a numbers *game*. With the billions of hours of exposure, there will be instances of cancer forming. Just as every body is slightly different so is it's ability to not allow a cancer to form. The human body has taken eons to develope to the state that it is now, and it'll take eons for it to adapt to being tolerant to the man made junk we're using now. Not to mention that with all the drugs we're using we're according to some Dr making a mess of the human immuno system. I'll bet as time progresses, you'll be seeing alot more Chemo therapies being used, in large part due to the human system not being able to adapt fast enough for all the new threats. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote --------------------------------- Old 11-16-2006, 06:03 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by RobsIron Shouldn't have happened. Real Good that it did. Since we are not at War with China our guard was down. Bet it won't happen again. A Carrier's Group's Security by definition should never be surprised. I doubt their guard was down, and it was just a matter of not knowing just how good the new sub was. Until they figure out a way to find a flaw in their design it might take a while. *To find a US Attack sub, or Missile launcher means looking for the quiet spot in the ocean*. Looks like we now need to be able to do the same. A diesel sub running on batteries, has always been a nightmare to find, other then by propeller noise. Well, Clinton gave them the missile buidling, building blocks, and now they have quiet propellers, gee DC is doing a great job for our future. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline ------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-16-2006, 05:46 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog he made a dumb comment, and instead of allowing people to draw their own conclusions, the Rove team pounced and told our military that he was talking about them...when he wasn't..by the time the real story came out it was too late. Have you actually heard, or watched Kerry's Snafu?. If you have, then you're clearly into alot of denile. And, please remember Kerry has made a life out of lying, and not getting called on them. ie, he's still dodging answering why his Discharge is dated after Carter's General Amnesty. It's amazing how he's duped so many with his stonewalling. It's just his true *colors* showing like the did on the Cavet Show, decades ago. Have you bothered to read a bio about Kerry?, or are you just another victim of his PR machine?. It's amazing just how easily some folks fall for Kerry's lies, and idiocy. Read up on the man, and if you can get past your denile, you'd see he's a money hungry, press grabbing liar. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-16-2006, 07:59 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Racer X That blunder by Kerry was the exact same thing as the Howard Dean scream during the primaries. It was a career killer. What blunder are you talking about?. He only called it a joke, after he caught heat about it. Kerry has made his career, by being able to talk, he's not been a man of action other then for getting some paper cuts while in Nam. Again, if you'd bother to read a bio of his, you'd be able to see for yourself what an opportunist he is. He's a man of hollow words. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Old 11-16-2006, 08:00 PM #18 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood His words were simple, direct, and obvious. No need for any spin. Even his own party ran away from them. Just the typical elite idiocy that comes out of the mouth of someone that lives off someone else. Yep...... Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-17-2006, 04:23 PM #25 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Racer X Oh take it easy Bruce Would you feel better if I inserted the phrase Fu*k up for blunder? We all know what Kerry is about and that he is a stuffed shirt and while your issuing out reading lessons, did you read the gist of my post? He torpedoed his career and we won't be hearing from him anymore. Do you like how I used the word torpedo? Navy weapon because Kerry was in the Navy. There, can we be friends again? Yes, and in your terms blunder or F-U would mean he said something he didn't mean to. Which I doubt, he's just repeating what's worked for him in the past. Not hardly, he's done the same thing that got him elected. ie catered to those that truely hate the military. While you want to label his actions as being a mistake on his part, like I said, he's just repeating a pattern that for him worked!. Hopefully, which I doubt, some people will actually get what sort of person he really is. BTW, it was interesting what his comments were about Army Nurses in Siagon, and then he marries into the Heinz Family. He's a creature of habit, whose habits haven't changed since he wasn't able to avoid the draft.... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-17-2006, 04:28 PM #26 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator It took Jimmy Carter to discharge him. That's on the record. Read this and make up your own mind. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../1262686/posts In the book "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" they cover a multitude of problems with John Kerry's service AND what he has or has not done in the 30 years in politics. 200+ veterans that served WITH him signed the book. If only HALF is true and the other half COMPLETE lies, he has ZERO credibility, and should NEVER have been elected in service of this GREAT country! Anyone that thinks he is a good man, PLEASE read the book, and then tell me he is ALL that he claims to be. Remember, we are talking about John Kerry here, NOT George Bush. Let me hear your EDUCATED explanation of John Kerry's trip to Paris (TWICE) to meet with the Viet Cong (documented by the FBI) Please answer JUST that question. I too, Steve, have NEVER recieved an answer to your questions. Yep. It does wind up just showing how perfect the *system* is. While people complain about the gummit, they continually elect people like him..... That's what's really sad about all this. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-17-2006, 05:56 PM #28 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog What I do know is he pissed off alot of people-including Nixon, and I can speculate that if the Navy is withholding something, there could be something embarrassing to the country. It's not a matter of the Navy withholding anything, it's a matter of no one pressing Kerry enough to get to the whole truth. Personal Military records are not open to the public. It's just a matter of his *gift of gab*, stonewalling, and the media being too sheepish to actually try to get to the truth of the matter. Odd how in the case of president Bush, the media published phoney documents, and got a lot of people to believe them, yet, when it comes to just getting to the bottom of Kerry, they just hide... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-18-2006, 03:32 PM #32 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Well, from what I understand, Kerry authorized the release of eveything, and it was released, then there were more inquires to which the Navy confirmed that they still had unreleased info. Nope, he only authorized a copy of his DD215, and a select few of his documents from his Personal File. Not his actual DD214. The 215 was an ammendment to the 214, which still is being hiden. The DD214 is the document that states the actual terms of one's discharge from Active Duty. Any inquiry is ignored, it takes written permission by the Vet to have any copies from their file released. And then, they are only released to the Vet., period. The Freedom of Information Act, only allows an individual to see what's in his files, not anyone else's. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-18-2006, 03:37 PM #33 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Radius Kid It never ceases to amaze me how a government can draft people into an army,send them to an "unpopular" conflict and have the soldiers return home,only to be treated like vermin. Those guys put their lives on the line at the behest of their government. The people should respect that,even if they don't agree with it. As for Kerry,sh*t still stinks no matter how much you perfume it. I wonder if he and Janey did the "wild thing"? No war is popular with cowards...... For most that served, they thought they were doing the proper thing. To portray what was popular, you have to been there, the media has so tainted the whole issue, and so many lies have been repeated so many times, folks have been basically brainwashed. One must first remember that the US Policy at the time was for the containment of Communism. She's another one, that's long overdue for making a heart felt apology, to those she was so willing to slander. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------ Quick reply to this message Old 11-17-2006, 04:51 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood I don't see the need for a booster on a car with a properly working electrical system. Altho adding volts allows the pump to produce more volume (see the charts on gnttype, a good system should pull 13.5 volts thru the traps and if you need more voltage than that to supply the engine...then you really need a bigger pump..... While it helps a little with fuel pump volume, it does marvels with the igntion system. Unless your running a CD type ignition system. FWIW, I use a Volt Blaster, and a Razor Kit, without any issues. But, I just use a small amount of akly (ie enough to be able to run 23d or so of timing on 87 octane). __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 11-17-2006, 04:33 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbo nasty The girdle keeps the stock crank from flexing due to it the being cast eliminating the need for stronger caps when using the girdle. A girdle *works* by no allowing the caps to work back and forth. That's what 6 bolt blocks do, but without the girdle. A girdle does not eliminate the need for better caps. N', I'd do rods, if I was going to do all that. __________________ ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-19-2006, 08:52 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Scott-N-GA I am cleaning up under the hood. I don't know if I should go with round or the oval wire loom from Postons. I've had better luck with the round. Without enough proper shaped *holders* the oval likes to sag, and spread apart, from the few times I tried using it. __________________ ----------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 11-19-2006, 09:17 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by teamgn87 I was looking to upgrade my stock ic. I know my car really isnt fast enough to really need it but in the warm weather it gets so hot after driving a while that I cant keep my hand on it.My question is about fit. I have the braces that go from the engine cradle to the front of the frame and the brace that goes between them (making a triangle) at the front.Will a front mount or a bigger stock location like the ones Bweavy sells fit? I also have a f-body sway bar- is that a problem? On a really hot day, in slow traffic, a F/M isn't of much help. Once you get out on the open road there's a difference, but as I recall there just isn't much open road in Staten Island. I had to take off my frame rail to frame rail brace to clear the tubing for my Cotton's F/M. I'd image the sway bar, and cross brace are issues that'd vary by type of F/M. You might consider alky as a less expensive alternative. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ---------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 11-19-2006, 04:19 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by mvig26 I have a 87 gn that came with after market headers and no hole for the 02 sensor.It looks loike a heated 02 senor but it is not mounted in the header it is just sitting there.Is that ok?It has to afect the way it runs?It could run better.... If it has a heated O2 sensor, it could be as far back as the cat converter. If it's not hooked up, and as you say sitting there, then you should have a code 13, and a 44. A search for reading codes, will let ya know how to check for them. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-19-2006, 04:15 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Jed Does anyone sell a GNX Suspension kit;Torque Arm and Panhard Bar? I would like to stay at or a bit above the original ride height,what springs(as in rate,not brand),shocks and sway bars should I use with the stock drivetrain? It will basically be a Rally car that I will use for other things so the cheaper the better.In other words junkyard parts interchanges. Why do you want to go through all the hassle of installing a Torque Arm?. The downside to a TA is that under heavy braking you can wind up with axle tramp. The only way to avoid that is going with a system similiar to the herb Adams Reese bar rear suspension, where he decouples the braking loads from the TA. I've had both a well suspended 3rd Gen F-Body (with the Reese Bar Conversion), and a well suspended G-Body, and the G, IMO wins. Unless you're going to do dirt rallye work I'd go with a lil lower ride height. Having the lower front A-Arms at horizontial makes for predicable handling. You also will want to go to double adj front upper A-Arms to get enough caster for high speed work. Cheap, and going fast, just don't work. Nothing any manufacturer makes is designed for going fast, so it'll all take work. That being said, the 04 F-Body front and rear brakes do well in stopping a G-Body. I mini tubbed the rear of my GN, I dunno if the rear late F-Body brakes will work with the stock frame rails. Coil-overs are the name of the game for setting the chassis height, and corner weights. $$, yep, but again, speed costs money how fast do you want to go?. I've run (or driven/ installed on friends cars) about every shock/ spring combo out there, and the C-O wins hands down over everything (QA-1's). You'll also want to add all the body to chassis bushings, install poly suspension bushings, and install rear lower links with a Heim type front bushing/ rear poly. You can build a stable (at high speed), good handling TR, but it does take money, and lots of work. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Old 11-19-2006, 08:36 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Jed A panhard bar is a must,that's the only component I'm dead set on. I read something about the body mounts somewhere that said some cars are actually missing a couple from the factory? Do you have any tech. articles on this Adams Reese Bar suspension? A Panhard Bar is only needed when there isn't enough lateral support in the basic design. The 4 link setup when done properly just doesn't need it. Yep.. Not missing, it was GM's way of tuning the interior noise, and car *feel*. He mentions it in his (Herb Adams) book Race Car Chassis Engineering, along with a few pics. A good light weight steel wheel like a Bassett *might* clear the 04 brakes. IMO, I'd rather compromise on tires, and have a reserve of braking power rather then having more sticking, with less braking. During high speed work the larger brakes REALLY show just how great they are. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." ---------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-21-2006, 11:35 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by WiskeyJack From the time I started modifying my car I've dealt with some real butt heads. I won't even go into names or company's I've had nothing but trouble with vendors BUT THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS AND SOME ARE - Jay's GN, Cottons Performance, Kirbans, Johns Performance, Precision Converters, Arizona GN and Turbo Regal Custom Parts these guys are true gentlemen and have treated me with respect even when I had really stupid questions. People alway complain about the bad well these guys are the best of the best and always a pleasure to deal with . Typically I act (some might argue, it doesn't take much acting) as dumb as a box of rocks when I first talk to a vendor, just to see how they'll react to some dumb questions. From day one, Bob Bailey, Jack, Mike, John (to name a few), went way out of their way to splain stuff to me. It kinda gets to me, when someone has an issue with one of our better vendors, since no one is perfect, and sh!t does happen once in a while. *We need to appreciate those that help so many so often*. Some of the back biting that goes on, is just rediculous, IMO. *We* need to be a bit more forgiving, and not so quick to complain. Or at least more willing to spend more time trying to cure things off list, before starting a *Dog Pile* thread. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-21-2006, 11:49 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by SlowBlackCar How many pounds of boost do you run on say 94 octane, no alky?? whats a safe bet? It's all about tuning. And that's about experience, note taking, testing, and gathering as much data as possible to look at. I ran 28 PSI for 4 years before finally lifting a head and blowing a HG. Used 40, 55, and 60 PPH injectors. *Safe*?. That would be what GM built the system to live at. At ~15 PSI the engines were to last for the warranty period, and meet emissions, for that *life*. FWIW, I'm now running ~26 PSI now on 87 Octane, with Alky. __________________ ---------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-22-2006, 09:52 AM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut Anybody know anything about old volvo's? I am looking at the old volvo amazon's (122) but don't know a damn thing about them. Watched some vids and there are some guys in sweden making tons of power from some of the newer volvo motors. I read that the motors are strong as hell but every body thinks their brand is strong as hell haha. Anyway, I really like the older volvo's and may get one and build the volvo motor or if that proves to be a weak combo maybe a T-buick swap. What do you guys think? The latest trick seems to be using Volvo heads on a 2.3L Ford engine. TurboFord.com has a few threads on it. Around here, finding parts for one would be impossible. I'm always careful about being sure I can get parts before starting a hybred project. Some of the later Volvos are sorta hotrods, but the early stuff was so lowpo, that they just had to live forever. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-21-2006, 11:43 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Radius Kid I do remember reading an article in a magazine that stated if the size of your injector [in CC's-multiply #'s X 10.5 to get the CC's] exceeds the size of the cylinder it feeds [size in CC's also- 3,800/6=633 CC's per cylinder],you will get some control issues with the injector at low pulse widths[re:idle,etc.]. That would explain Steve's observation for the need of a slightly higher idle speed[more air]. Hope that helps. That goes wayyyyyyyy back. It was originally the reason given for motorcycles being so hard to calibrate. Over the years, with the reduction in pintle weights, it's not as true as first believed. The non-linearity of a big injector at low pulse widths takes some experience to get a handle on. Lots of people early on, changed the injector size, and then fudged the number to get the car to run instead of recurving the MAF, or using the proper correction(s). It also explains why some folks thought the aftermarket ecms were the only way to go, since with a VE table, it just takes *minutes* to work out the non linearity at low engine speeds. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-21-2006, 11:23 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by graza002 Ok so I was driving my car today, and for once was driving normal. So the problem: Today my car was hitting 190 degrees +. I was driving at night and the temp outside was only 70-75 ish, so not hot at all. The other day it was 85-90 outside and the car ran at 185 ish, and I was driving under boost. Over all the cooling system is a year old. I have a new Rad, t-stat 160 degree, hoses, h2o pump (stock pulley) new heater core and hoses. The fan works (it turns on at 165 degrees) There is no oil in the coolant and no moisture around the heads....so what gives?!?!?! Is it using coolant?. IMO, the whole 160dF thermostat is *dated*. With a proper chip, assuming you have enough injector, there's no real advantage for running a 160dF Thermostat. Your already running at 185, so why not use a 185dF thermostat, and have the fan come on at say 195-200. Running the fan less, means more there's more voltage available, for running the ignition, and fuel pump. Better piston fit, ie less blow by. Better fuel vaporization. Better main and rod bearing fit. Boils off condensation in the crankcase better. The only *up* side it that they artifically enrichen the AFR, when running at 160, but if you're not running at 160, then you're not seeing any advantage to running it. While some people claim and advantage in running a couple degrees more timing, unless your racing for money, there's no real point in doing that. All it does is put you closer to the threshold of detonation. YMMV ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-15-2006, 10:52 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Phatman I'm looking at one of their programs for my truck. I remembered reading before about them on the boards, but don't remember who was playing around with it. Is anyone using any of their stuff and how do you like it? That being said, I must tell you that I, for some reason that is beyond my comprehension have very little patience. It has also been brought up that my attention span rivals that of a 10yr old..... I really don't want to invert in something that will end-up sitting in the box on a shelf. I've been using his stuff for years.... It's about as close to plug and play that you can get. The third gen F-Body list has hundreds of threads about tuning, and using TC. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-23-2006, 09:26 AM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Phatman Anyway, what i had in mind was a Westers tune for my truck 97 5.7 Vortec and use the Tuner Cat to fine tune from there. What's you guy's take on that? That is if I can get it setup from Westers properly. If your going for Westers (sp?), I doubt your going to improve upon his stuff. He's one of the few aftermarket guys that really understands tuning. TC sold out his OBDII the last I heard, and the new folks have locked the software to one vin. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". -------------------------------- Old 11-22-2006, 01:47 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Power6mazda (and if push comes to shove a carbed blow through system is up for debate) A friend across town has gone 168 MPH (observed) in his carb blow thru 1972 Caddie.... It would be interesting, IMO, to use the TR ecm for timing only, and blow thru a carb. You'd be able to have knock detection, not to mention the ability to data log some info.. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ---------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-22-2006, 09:44 AM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by BlackBandit My question is, is it possable to swap in a crank that's std/std I got out of a 4.1 without a complete teardown and balance or is that going to screw everything up? I don't want to pull the pistons as the engine only has about 8-9k on it and all the cylander walls look great. Any help will be appreciated. What Chuck said...... A balance job isn't that expensive, in the grand scheme of things, and IMO, is just insurance. I've done enough balancing (thou not on Buicks), and seen enough way out from the oems, that I just balance any high performance built I do. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-24-2006, 12:55 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by onefastcar If you get injector pulse cam sensor is working properly yes or no? cam sensor was rechecked and it looks good. if you get rpm indication from stock tach or from scanmaster while cranking crank sensor is good yes or no? i made the crank sensor with a piece of metal and checked ecm connection b5 and i get 12 volts uncovered it is less than a volt is this a good way to check crank sensor? I still have no frickin SPARK i have been frickin fightin this thing for 2 weeks and i have no burnt wires and have looked at all connectors and they look good fuses are good, i have looked at these schematics till i'm blue in the face and am running out of ideas, i am pulling out the harness tommorrow if no one has something better of an idea for me to head into, oh this is my 4 th ignition module, 2nd coil pack and 2nd crank sensor The cam sensor synchs the coil firing, and enables SEFI. Sounds like the next thing to do, is use an ohm meter, and check for continuity for each wire. From what you've discribed you have continuity as far as the cam sensor goes. FWIW, I normally check for power at the appropriate places first, then make sure all the grounds are good, and then for continuity on the rest of whatever circuit I'm having an issue with. FWIWII, the last 2 original harnesses I disceted, had places where wires had been worn through and were grounding out. ------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-22-2006, 01:50 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by tcturbo91 i basically would want it as a driver, but would want to preform some mods, nothing THAT major. Wait til you drive one for a while before saying that. Yes you can add an intercooler, but the 86/87's also have nicer manifolding, and better parts availability for stepping up *just a little*. __________________ ---------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-21-2006, 11:10 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by blackgn1 Can a non turbo throttle body be adapted to a turbo throttle body? Sure...... But, the results may not be all that great if the throttle shaft to body clearances aren't too great. The bushing area of the TR TB's are huge compared to some others. If you're building a race only car, you can probably get by with a *lesser* TB, since it's not going to have that much wear, and an idle that's a bit erratic to begin with. __________________ ------------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 11-25-2006, 11:57 AM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 More Chinese Spying Frickin wonderful. IMO, we need to get A LOT more serious with the penalties for treason. I don't know which is worse anymore, spies, dumb Generals/ Admirals, research folks, or the nitwits in washington DC. http://washingtontimes.com/national/...2450-1979r.htm By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES November 23, 2006 China obtained secret stealth technology used on B-2 bomber engines from a Hawaii-based spy ring in a compromise U.S. officials say will allow Beijing to copy or counter a key weapon in the Pentagon's new strategy against China. Details of the classified defense technology related to the B-2's engine exhaust system and its ability to avoid detection by infrared sensors were sold to Chinese officials by former defense contractor Noshir S. Gowadia, an Indian-born citizen charged with spying in a federal indictment released by prosecutors in Hawaii. Additionally, Mr. Gowadia provided extensive technical assistance to Chinese weapons designers in developing a cruise missile with an engine exhaust system that is hard to detect by radar, according to court papers made public recently. He also helped the Chinese modify a cruise missile so that it can intercept U.S. air-to-air missiles, and helped Chinese weapons designers improve testing and measurement facilities, the court papers state. Most of the indictment, handed up Nov. 8, outlines how the engineer helped China develop a radar-evading stealth exhaust nozzle for a cruise missile engine. Additionally, the court papers indicated that Mr. Gowadia sent e-mails to Israel, Germany, and Switzerland in 2002 and 2004 that contained data labeled "secret" and "top secret" that was related to U.S. stealth technology intended for use in the TH-98 Eurocopter and for foreign commercial aircraft. One computer file found in Mr. Gowadia's Maui, Hawaii, home was a file containing the radar cross-sections of U.S. B-1 and F-15 jets and the Air Force's air-launched cruise missile, information that would be useful to countering those systems by anti-aircraft missiles or other air defense weapons. The case is the second major military technology espionage case involving China. Earlier this year, two Chinese-born brothers in Los Angeles were arrested as suspects in passing Navy warship and submarine weapons secrets to China. In all, Mr. Gowadia is charged with making at least six secret visits to China from 2002 through 2005, and being paid at least $110,000 by Chinese officials for highly classified defense technology supplied through January, according to court papers. Investigators think he was paid as much as $2 million, some of which remains in foreign bank accounts. The first known compromise was Mr. Gowadia's lecture in a foreign country in 1999 that involved the disclosure of defense secrets. He offered classified defense information to as many as eight foreign nations, the court papers state. Mr. Gowadia was first indicted in November 2005 in connection with passing information to several countries that were not identified. The new indictment states that Mr. Gowadia continued to be engaged in a conspiracy to sell classified technology through January 2006. Mr. Gowadia worked for B-2 developer and manufacturer Northrop Aircraft Inc. from 1968 to 1989 as part of an ultrasecret special access program for the B-2, and later as a Northrop contractor involved in classified research on missiles and aircraft. He also worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory in the 1990s. He developed the still-secret method used by military aircraft to suppress infrared signals from the engine that blocks heat-seeking missiles from targeting the jet. U.S. officials familiar with the case said the compromise of the B-2 technology is extremely damaging because it will give China key secrets on the bomber. A defense official said the case highlights China's intelligence efforts to counter key weapons systems that give the United States strategic advantages over Chinese forces. "The B-2 is at the head of the list of their intelligence targets," said the official. The Pentagon recently completed a major upgrade of bomber storage facilities on the Pacific island of Guam as part of a new strategy designed to position forces in Asia for a swift defeat of China in a future conflict. B-2 bombers are regularly deployed for short periods of time on Guam as part of what the Pentagon is calling its "hedge" strategy to be ready to deal with a Chinese threat in the future. According to the indictment, Mr. Gowadia, who lives on an estate on the island of Maui, conspired with two men, Tommy Wong and Henri Nyo, to sell the technology. Mr. Wong was identified in court papers as an official of the Chinese Foreign Experts Bureau who met the other men during meetings in Chengdu, China. The bureau is a center that conducts "research and development of Chinese fighter aircraft and cruise missiles." During the six visits, Mr. Gowadia was there "for the specific purpose of assisting the [People's Republic of China] in designing, testing and analyzing a low observable exhaust nozzle ... for a PRC cruise missile," the indictment said. In the earlier indictment, Mr. Gowadia was quoted as telling investigators that he "disclosed classified information and material both verbally and in papers, computer presentations, letters and other methods to individuals in foreign countries with the knowledge that information was classified." "The reason I disclosed this classified information was to establish the technological credibility with the potential customers for future business," he said. "I wanted to help these countries to further their self aircraft protection systems. My personal gain would be business." Mr. Gowadia has pleaded not guilty to the charges and his son, Ashton Gowadia, told the Honolulu Star-Bulletin that the charges against his father are false. A trial is scheduled for July. Copyright 2006 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote --------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-21-2006, 11:01 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 60's..... Having a lil more injector is great for Acceleration Enrichment...... __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-25-2006, 11:08 AM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by NCC1701A Thanks for the info guys I am looking at the 60's now. Didn't realize you could run these without the ECM mode. Just need to know if anyone is currently making a smog chip for these injectors. I am in california and passing smog is a must. TIA Lorenzo Since no smog test is at Wide Open Throttle, if you're running a closed loop chip there's little to blame failing a smog test on, the chip. Most chips do little at low throttle openings, where the emission testing takes place. The only exception being a *sloppy* (read old school) chip. Fresh oil, being up to operating temp., fresh tune-up parts, properly working PCV system, etc., are the most important items. __________________ --------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-19-2006, 08:32 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Idle RPM varies by chip maker.. Looking at your IAC counts should give ya a clue about what the commanded Idle RPM should be. Some scanners will tell ya what commanded is. Mine idles at 750-775 RPM in Drive. IAC in drive is usually 20+-, and 0 in Park, for my setup. --------------------------------- Old 11-26-2006, 01:35 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Radius Kid How "PC" of you. I'd tell her to *F/O* and crawl back under her rock[NOT Jim]. From time to time, I do have to watch my Blood Pressure.... At times I wonder if the waking up of the masses, is going to be the result, or result in gun fire. The gummit is getting so out of control. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-26-2006, 01:36 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by bishir They are all corrupt and it will take a great depression to get people to wake up and realize we have to do something. First thou, is disarming the population. __________________ ------------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-26-2006, 01:20 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by GBODY87 Can't decide on iron or alum heads... I hardly drive my car at all.. might be at the track once or twice a year.. the rest either sitting in the garage or in a show... I think aluminum heads would be overkill.. want to run at least mid to low 10's with all the supporting cast as well... will be running compression in the motor too. Opinions? HP is about airflow. IMO, you can get some really good flow with the ALs, for alot less work then irons. It might cost a lil more intially, but, IMO, it'll be easier to make X HP with them rather then irons. Loose guides?, hmm, make me wonder about what engine operating temp was, run an enigne too cool, and then things are looser then they should be. Cracks, supposedly that's been cured. IMO, a Stage I block and AL Heads is the hot street setup. At least that's what I'm aiming to do, after looking at A LOT of combos. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-26-2006, 09:56 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ormand Some builders swear by iron heads, others like the aluminum. Aluminum transfers heat better, so there is a trade off. You "lose" some heat from the combustion chamber, so there may be some power lost. But because you lose some heat, you can run a little more boost, or a little more compression, which will gain some power. And you can coat the chambers, if you want, to keep from losing heat. But the one thing that is certain is that the al heads are lighter. Not sure they are worth the money, though. On some other engiens, you can get them really cheap, but not so for the 3.8 Buick. As Bruce mentions, the airflow will be better with the al, too. But unless you're going with a lot more cam than stock, you won't need the flow capability of the aluminum heads. It's all about the combo, NOT the individual parts. Add a thin trace layer of Carbon from having run the engine, and the heat transfer issue is about mute according to some. If you using alky injection, then an AL head allows for polishing the chamber to a more mirror like finish, and would probably absorb less heat then irons (since you can't polish iron to as smooth of finish [from what I've read]). But, we're ignoring all those EGR like ports in the backside of the ex ports, and there's some interesting theory about why they're there. None of which I see as being for performance. Even if they're plugged up, you still lose a signifigant amount of cooling passsage volume. ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-25-2006, 09:54 AM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 According to Chopper at Limited, a TE cover **might** flow as much as 4% more then a TA style. But, that's under the best of circumstances. __________________ ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-26-2006, 01:30 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 One thing that made America great was that it **was** a melting pot. ie, everyone come together, and tried to live in peace. Seems like a lot of folks have forgotten that. Rather then trying to mingle, and be as one, way too many want to think of no one else other then themselves... ------------------------------- Old 11-23-2006, 09:58 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by stevemon [Jimmy Carter] The WORST President in US history. And they didn't even mention his General Amnesty, that rewarded the cowards that left the country, and forgave those that should have been tried for treason. And to think he also got the Noble......... Nothing like rewarding idiocy, cowardice, and treason. No wonder we have some of the problems we have now. Got give some other Presidents, and Congress their *ATTABOYS*, for breaking their promises to the vets, and starting that 3 tier health benefit nonsense. ----------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-29-2006, 07:04 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Rowdy45466 I have been doing my home work and have been reading and searching for what the pluses or minuses are with the BB turbos. I like the idea of a water cooled unit but are they tried, tested, and true? Does it make much difference? May consider the BB Gt6131e. BB turbos have been around for a while, but only in limited numbers, and thus $$. Water cooled have also been around for quite some time. They're *needed* in applications where there's little to no air circulaiton under hood. It might make life a lil easier for a BB turbo, since a BB isn't as forgiving as a bushing for lubrication. Ya, the 6131 seems to be a nice choice. I haven't driven a car with one, but have talked to an owner at the Nats that was running well with his, and he really liked it's street manners. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ----------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-29-2006, 06:47 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87geeinn Humidity: How does humidity (% of water contained in the air) affect charge air? Barometric pressure:What exactly is barometric pressure, and how does it affect...? Acts just like water injection, in that it suppresses detonation. So you can either run a lil more timing, are wind up with a tune not as close to the threshold of detonation. Barometric pressure, it's almost self compensating. While higher baro would mean denser air (going into the engine), it also means more exhaust back pressure, so it's correction is actually the inverse of what you might think. Like I mentioned, it's effects are min.. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-29-2006, 07:17 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ormand Not really. The primary difference in running at high altitude, such as Denver, vs a low altitude, like Houston or New Orleans, is barometric pressure. There are correction factors for barometric pressure, which "equalize" the performance difference. Yes, baro is the difference, but the corrections aren't going to return the performance to anything near sea level. For a turbo'd to work well at the lower baros means selecting a new one, since there is such a difference in density, but as far as actually correcting for AFRs, the fueling isn't *too drastically* different. Then there's the EPA and it's high alt fuel formulations..... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." ------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-27-2006, 07:41 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by FastRegalWE2 If i hit my brakes, PM) or turn on the fan for the heater, the engine idle drops momentarily and then comes back up. Just put the engine in, I know my grounds are good. I have the TBS.com 200 amp alt,(brand new) seems like if I put a load on it, thats when the engine dies down. Anyone else ever had this issue? There are several things at issue here. One, the IAC routines have a fair amount of filtering in them to keep the idle from surging, so when a change in load occurs, it can take a moment of 3 for the ecm to rethink, the IAC opening. Another fact is that injectors are voltage sensitive, so at the same moment the engine sees the load, the voltage drops, and the injectors can momentarily go rich or lean if the voltage correction is off. Then the IAC is basically a vacuum leak. So the intial opening leans things out, until the ecm rethinks the AFR, if you're running closed loop. Might try, lowering you idle IAC count, tinkering with you injector PW vs battery correction (if you can). Never overlook the obvious thou, slipping serpentine belts do happen. A good ground, that really isn't, etc., etc.. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-27-2006, 07:43 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by FastRegalWE2 ok, went to Radio Shack and got the Serial to USB adapter, finally figured out how to get the FAST to communicate with the lappy. Voltage is dead at 14.0 on idle, turn on fan or step on brake it goes to 13.2. Havent had the gumtion to dig out the fluke just yet. Try watching the injector PW and see what it does. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-29-2006, 10:42 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by FastRegalWE2 Inj PW doesnt change, IAC counts seemed to be the same when it does it as they are when it doesnt Just followed the URL in your sign.. It says you're running a F.A.S.T. system. As memory serves, they don't allow you to alter the inj PWs vs battery voltage, and if there is a voltage drop, then there could very well be a slight error there, which would cause that. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ----------------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 11-29-2006, 08:51 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Rear view mirror (TVs) Has anyone used any of the retrofit rear view TVs (in lieu of the door mirrors)?. How's the field of vision?. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-29-2006, 10:27 PM #2 (permalink) FastRegalWE2 NEVER EVER AGAIN FastRegalWE2's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mustang/Yukon, OK Posts: 824 Send a message via AIM to FastRegalWE2 Send a message via MSN to FastRegalWE2 Send a message via Yahoo to FastRegalWE2 I have installed a couple of these. You can get them with different cameras. I did the wide angle and the FOV was decent. I wouldnt give up my outside mirrors for it though. I have one for the GN, havent put it in yet. Its the color version. __________________ Jeffrey L Voelpel SR March 14, 1947-July 22 2006 Rest In Peace Dad Police Officer 1981-2006 2002 GTP-2DR-Black-14.24 @ 96 2001 GTP-2DR-Black-Stock 1987 GN-Black- all Forged 109 by EVTB's 554RWHP http://www.cardomain.com/ride/643372 FastRegalWE2 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-29-2006, 10:44 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by FastRegalWE2 I wouldnt give up my outside mirrors for it though. Thanks, that's exactly the info., I was looking for. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ---------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 11-29-2006, 10:58 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 *New* IAC I was trying to find Berrel Auto here the other day, and couldn't. I was going to order another one of their new IAC housings. Since I didn't see it here, I thought I'd mention it. http://www.injection-connection.com While he sells it with some sort of *fat* pintle IAC, and while it does work, I perfer to install a 96, 3800 Bonneville S/C IAC. I've been running one on the GN since they first came out, and now will be running one on my Stang Project. Excellent fit, and finish. I'm not sure of why, but it seems to offer a little better idle control. If it's been mentioned before, sorry for the repeat. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote --------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 11-29-2006, 08:21 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Thoughts on Turbo selection Arrgh, I've probably been overthinking this.... 4.1L block, 206/206 cam, 60 PPH injectors, alky, Yank converter (3,200 stall at 0 boost). in a very light car (2,500#) I've been thinking of a 66/67/6131, or a 45A/76 I've run my TA62, with that engine, and it had almost too much off idle *pull*. So trading some of that low end grunt, for high end pull would be a nice improvement. BUT, of the 45A/76 cars that I've been in, were almost too off or on for me. I want something that's really a joy to drive around town. So I'm just looking for what folks have both series owned have to say about the small vs large turbos for around town. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------------------- Old 11-29-2006, 08:28 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Mirror Turbo Prices How much do *mirror* turbos cost compared to the *standards*?. ie talking about doing a twin turbo setup, and wanting things *symetrical*. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-29-2006, 08:33 PM #2 (permalink) wes 87 turbo T oil leaks pwn me Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: pinellas county florida Posts: 136 hmmm Quote: Originally Posted by Doc1of7 How much do *mirror* turbos cost compared to the *standards*?. ie talking about doing a twin turbo setup, and wanting things *symetrical*. I was once told by a wise man if you have to ask you can't afford. Actually Razor told me this I am sure its not cheap. How much is the ? Would like to see pics of this though! wes 87 turbo T is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-29-2006, 08:46 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by wes 87 turbo T I was once told by a wise man if you have to ask you can't afford. Actually Razor told me this Would like to see pics of this though! I might not be able to, but without having any clues, I dunno..... Ya, there's just always something special about their looks. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-30-2006, 09:18 AM #4 (permalink) john@esp Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: pottstown Posts: 159 Just the turbos would cost anywhere from $1,500 to 2,400 depending on size and technology. The conplete kit would also vary. Our "Mirror" turbo kits cost anywhere from $6,900 to $8,500. Hope this helps you. __________________ ESP Twin Turbo kit www.ESPPerformance.com 2007 GSCA Super 16 Runner-up 610-970-8944 john@esp is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-30-2006, 05:09 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by john@esp Just the turbos would cost anywhere from $1,500 to 2,400 depending on size and technology. Hope this helps you. Sure does, and thank you. -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-30-2006, 07:47 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Zap interesting thread......... Still running 87, still no blown headgaskets, still running over 24 PSI of boost. I've updated to a 3.5 Bar Map, and playing with more boost. 0-60 times in the mid 4's. As far as transistional knock, which was mentioned in that other thread, that's what your Burst Knock Retard it for. When you hammer the gas the BKR drops the timing slightly, and then adds it back in. Just another tuning item to consider, tuning. While just a low boost run, it is for 20 secs., and there was no knock, and the car was pulling smoothly without any sign of misfire. EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:43 57 4100 171 98 180 66 13.4 17.88 12.1 00:42:43 58 4100 170 97 180 66 13.4 17.88 12.3 00:42:43 58 4100 169 97 180 66 15.8 17.61 12.1 00:42:43 58 4150 168 97 180 66 16.2 17.98 12.1 00:42:43 59 4150 168 97 180 66 16.2 17.85 12.2 00:42:43 60 4200 173 97 180 66 17.6 17.64 12.4 00:42:43 60 4200 170 97 180 66 17.6 18.10 11.6 00:42:43 61 4175 171 97 180 66 17.6 17.88 12.2 00:42:43 61 4225 171 97 180 66 18.3 18.10 12.3 00:42:43 61 4225 169 97 180 66 18.3 18.10 12.0 00:42:43 62 4225 172 97 180 66 18.3 17.30 12.4 00:42:43 63 4225 163 97 180 66 14.1 17.73 12.3 00:42:43 63 4175 173 97 177 66 13.7 17.73 12.0 00:42:43 64 4175 173 97 178 66 13.7 17.85 12.3 00:42:43 64 4225 169 97 178 66 16.2 17.73 12.1 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:44 64 4225 172 97 178 66 16.2 17.73 11.8 00:42:44 65 4250 169 97 178 66 16.2 17.61 12.1 00:42:44 65 4275 172 97 178 66 17.6 17.76 11.7 00:42:44 66 4225 169 97 178 66 11.3 17.98 12.1 00:42:44 67 4150 173 97 178 66 9.2 18.34 12.3 00:42:44 67 4175 173 98 178 66 14.1 17.88 12.3 00:42:44 67 4225 168 99 178 66 14.1 18.10 11.8 00:42:44 68 4275 173 100 178 66 14.1 18.43 12.1 00:42:44 68 4300 176 100 178 66 16.5 18.22 12.2 00:42:44 69 4325 173 100 178 66 16.2 18.68 12.3 00:42:44 69 4375 176 100 178 66 16.2 18.43 12.0 00:42:44 69 4375 175 100 178 66 17.2 18.65 11.9 00:42:44 70 4375 176 100 178 66 17.2 17.85 12.1 00:42:44 71 4375 178 100 178 66 17.2 18.65 12.0 00:42:44 71 4425 178 100 178 66 15.1 17.98 11.9 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:45 71 4375 178 100 178 66 15.1 18.68 11.8 00:42:45 72 4375 175 100 178 66 15.1 18.43 12.0 00:42:45 72 4375 176 100 178 66 16.9 18.68 12.0 00:42:45 73 4425 176 100 177 66 16.9 18.22 12.0 00:42:45 73 4425 173 100 177 66 16.9 18.56 11.9 00:42:45 73 4425 173 100 177 66 17.6 18.56 12.0 00:42:45 74 4475 181 100 177 66 17.2 18.31 12.0 00:42:45 75 4475 179 100 177 66 17.2 18.56 11.7 00:42:45 75 4475 178 100 177 66 18.0 18.40 12.1 00:42:45 75 4475 177 100 177 66 15.5 18.07 11.7 00:42:45 76 4450 176 98 177 66 15.5 17.85 12.4 00:42:45 76 4475 172 97 177 66 16.9 17.85 11.8 00:42:45 77 4475 173 95 177 66 16.9 16.24 11.9 00:42:45 77 4300 168 95 177 66 17.2 16.82 12.8 00:42:45 77 4200 176 95 177 66 18.0 17.09 12.8 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:46 77 4150 176 95 177 66 18.0 16.85 12.8 00:42:46 78 4100 173 95 177 66 9.9 16.97 13.0 00:42:46 78 4025 173 93 176 66 14.8 16.97 12.5 00:42:46 78 4000 170 93 176 66 14.8 16.72 12.5 00:42:46 79 4000 173 93 176 66 14.8 17.18 12.5 00:42:46 79 4050 168 93 176 66 12.7 16.94 12.9 00:42:46 80 3975 172 92 176 66 12.7 16.94 12.6 00:42:46 80 3950 169 92 176 66 12.7 16.69 12.3 00:42:46 80 3950 171 91 176 66 15.8 16.94 12.6 00:42:46 81 4000 168 91 176 66 15.8 16.69 12.4 00:42:46 81 4000 163 90 176 66 16.2 16.24 12.5 00:42:46 81 4050 164 90 176 66 14.4 16.69 12.4 00:42:46 82 4000 169 90 176 66 12.3 16.24 12.6 00:42:46 83 3950 168 90 176 66 12.3 16.48 12.6 00:42:46 83 3950 168 90 176 66 16.2 16.94 12.9 00:42:46 83 4000 170 89 176 66 15.8 16.48 12.8 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:47 83 4000 168 89 176 66 15.8 16.69 12.3 00:42:47 83 4050 168 89 176 66 18.0 16.51 12.5 00:42:47 84 4000 166 88 176 66 12.7 16.51 12.6 00:42:47 84 4000 168 89 176 66 12.3 16.27 12.6 00:42:47 84 3975 166 89 176 66 16.2 16.24 12.6 00:42:47 84 4025 163 89 176 66 16.2 16.69 12.6 00:42:47 85 4000 158 88 176 66 16.2 16.24 12.4 00:42:47 85 4050 165 87 176 66 18.0 15.60 12.6 00:42:47 86 4075 163 87 176 66 16.2 15.93 12.6 00:42:47 85 4025 164 86 176 65 13.7 16.24 12.2 00:42:47 85 4050 163 86 176 66 16.5 16.24 12.6 00:42:47 86 4025 162 85 176 66 16.5 16.27 12.6 00:42:47 86 4050 162 85 176 65 16.5 16.27 12.6 00:42:47 86 4075 160 84 176 66 16.9 15.32 12.1 00:42:47 86 4025 158 84 174 66 15.1 15.32 12.6 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:48 87 4000 160 84 174 65 14.8 15.63 12.6 00:42:48 87 4000 160 83 174 65 16.9 16.27 12.8 00:42:48 88 4000 157 83 174 65 13.0 15.93 12.7 00:42:48 88 3975 160 83 174 65 13.0 15.60 12.5 00:42:48 88 3975 160 83 174 65 15.8 15.60 12.7 00:42:48 88 4025 156 83 174 65 15.8 15.93 12.4 00:42:48 89 4050 160 83 174 65 15.8 15.60 12.5 00:42:48 89 4050 158 84 174 65 17.2 15.60 12.6 00:42:48 89 4050 159 83 174 65 17.2 15.96 12.6 00:42:48 89 4050 157 82 174 65 17.2 15.32 12.7 00:42:48 89 4050 159 82 174 65 18.0 15.63 12.5 00:42:48 90 4050 160 82 174 65 17.6 15.29 12.5 00:42:48 91 4025 156 82 174 65 17.6 15.29 12.5 00:42:48 91 4000 159 82 174 65 18.0 15.60 13.3 00:42:48 90 3950 157 82 174 65 18.0 15.75 12.5 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:49 90 3900 155 80 174 65 18.0 15.41 12.6 00:42:49 90 3850 155 79 174 65 16.2 15.02 12.8 00:42:49 91 3800 155 78 174 65 16.2 15.29 12.8 00:42:49 91 3775 155 76 174 66 16.5 14.99 12.5 00:42:49 91 3775 150 75 173 66 17.6 14.47 12.6 00:42:49 91 3725 148 74 173 66 14.8 14.47 13.0 00:42:49 91 3650 150 73 173 65 14.8 14.37 13.0 00:42:49 92 3600 146 73 173 66 16.5 13.95 12.7 00:42:49 92 3525 148 72 173 66 12.0 14.31 13.1 00:42:49 92 3450 144 72 173 66 12.0 14.10 13.3 00:42:49 92 3450 146 72 173 66 15.1 14.44 13.0 00:42:49 92 3450 144 72 173 66 15.1 13.80 13.0 00:42:49 92 3450 144 72 173 66 15.1 14.07 12.9 00:42:49 93 3450 148 72 173 66 16.9 14.07 13.1 00:42:49 93 3450 149 72 173 66 16.9 13.80 13.2 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:50 93 3425 149 72 173 66 16.9 14.41 12.9 00:42:50 93 3425 139 73 173 66 17.6 14.07 13.2 00:42:50 93 3450 142 72 173 66 17.6 14.07 13.1 00:42:50 93 3425 144 72 173 66 17.6 14.07 13.0 00:42:50 94 3450 146 72 173 66 17.6 14.07 13.1 00:42:50 94 3450 150 73 173 66 17.6 14.10 12.9 00:42:50 94 3450 149 74 173 66 17.6 13.83 12.7 00:42:50 94 3450 150 75 173 66 18.0 14.44 13.1 00:42:50 94 3475 151 75 173 66 18.0 14.71 12.9 00:42:50 94 3475 152 76 173 66 13.4 14.71 13.0 00:42:50 95 3450 153 76 173 66 15.8 14.71 12.9 00:42:50 95 3475 153 76 173 66 15.8 15.05 12.9 00:42:50 95 3475 152 76 173 66 15.8 15.05 13.0 00:42:50 95 3500 153 76 173 66 16.9 14.44 13.2 00:42:50 95 3500 150 76 173 66 16.9 14.92 13.1 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:51 95 3525 151 76 173 66 16.9 14.62 13.0 00:42:51 96 3525 149 76 173 66 17.2 14.31 12.9 00:42:51 96 3550 150 76 173 66 17.2 14.28 12.9 00:42:51 96 3550 150 76 173 66 17.2 14.37 12.9 00:42:51 96 3550 152 76 173 66 17.6 14.37 12.9 00:42:51 96 3550 152 76 173 66 14.8 14.59 12.6 00:42:51 96 3525 155 76 173 66 14.8 14.89 12.8 00:42:51 97 3525 155 76 173 66 16.2 14.28 12.8 00:42:51 97 3550 150 76 173 66 16.2 14.41 12.5 00:42:51 97 3575 149 76 173 66 16.2 14.41 12.8 00:42:51 97 3575 151 76 173 66 16.9 14.41 12.8 00:42:51 98 3575 155 76 173 66 16.9 14.65 12.5 00:42:51 98 3575 149 76 173 66 16.9 14.44 12.6 00:42:51 98 3575 151 76 173 66 17.2 14.65 12.7 00:42:51 98 3600 151 76 173 66 17.2 14.71 12.5 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:52 98 3600 150 76 173 66 17.2 14.41 12.8 00:42:52 98 3600 155 76 173 66 17.6 15.02 13.0 00:42:52 98 3600 149 76 173 66 17.6 14.41 12.4 00:42:52 98 3600 153 76 173 66 14.8 15.02 12.8 00:42:52 99 3550 151 76 173 66 16.2 14.71 12.7 00:42:52 99 3600 150 76 173 66 16.2 14.37 12.7 00:42:52 99 3625 155 76 173 66 16.2 14.68 12.9 00:42:52 99 3600 149 76 173 66 16.9 14.37 12.7 00:42:52 99 3625 151 76 173 66 16.9 14.71 12.7 00:42:52 99 3650 149 76 173 66 16.9 14.71 12.6 00:42:52 100 3650 151 76 173 66 17.2 14.71 12.8 00:42:52 100 3650 150 76 173 66 17.2 14.37 12.8 00:42:52 100 3650 150 76 173 66 17.2 14.68 12.7 00:42:52 101 3675 148 76 173 66 17.6 14.37 13.0 00:42:52 101 3675 155 76 173 66 17.6 14.71 12.9 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:53 101 3675 150 76 173 66 17.6 14.41 12.7 00:42:53 101 3650 151 76 173 66 14.8 14.41 12.8 00:42:53 101 3675 152 76 173 66 11.3 15.02 12.9 00:42:53 101 3600 150 76 173 66 11.3 14.71 12.8 00:42:53 102 3600 149 76 173 66 11.3 15.02 12.9 00:42:53 102 3650 151 76 173 66 14.4 14.41 12.9 00:42:53 102 3675 151 76 173 66 14.4 15.02 12.7 00:42:53 102 3650 151 76 173 66 14.4 15.02 12.9 00:42:53 102 3675 155 76 173 66 12.7 15.08 12.9 00:42:53 102 3675 150 76 173 66 12.7 14.68 12.8 00:42:53 103 3650 153 76 173 66 12.7 14.68 12.9 00:42:53 103 3675 153 76 173 66 15.1 14.41 12.8 00:42:53 103 3675 150 76 173 66 15.1 14.41 13.0 00:42:53 103 3700 153 76 173 66 15.1 14.80 12.8 00:42:53 103 3700 149 76 173 66 16.5 14.80 12.8 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:54 103 3725 150 76 173 66 16.5 14.80 12.7 00:42:54 104 3725 149 76 173 66 16.5 14.50 12.4 00:42:54 104 3700 150 75 173 66 17.2 14.22 12.4 00:42:54 104 3725 149 73 173 66 17.2 14.44 12.8 00:42:54 104 3725 148 72 173 66 17.2 14.44 12.6 00:42:54 104 3725 142 72 173 66 17.6 13.95 12.5 00:42:54 104 3700 145 71 173 66 17.6 13.95 12.8 00:42:54 104 3725 145 71 173 66 17.6 13.73 12.6 00:42:54 104 3700 144 72 173 66 17.6 13.43 12.5 00:42:54 105 3725 139 72 173 66 17.6 13.95 12.8 00:42:54 105 3725 142 72 173 66 17.6 13.95 12.8 00:42:54 105 3725 139 71 173 66 17.6 13.73 12.8 00:42:54 105 3700 145 72 173 66 17.6 13.95 12.7 00:42:54 106 3725 139 72 173 66 17.6 14.25 12.9 00:42:54 106 3700 144 71 173 66 17.6 13.92 12.9 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:55 106 3725 144 71 173 66 17.6 13.92 12.8 00:42:55 106 3725 144 70 173 66 17.6 13.70 12.5 00:42:55 106 3725 140 69 173 66 17.6 13.98 12.6 00:42:55 106 3725 139 68 173 66 17.6 13.46 12.4 00:42:55 106 3725 140 69 173 66 17.6 13.46 12.5 00:42:55 106 3700 142 67 173 66 17.6 13.15 12.5 00:42:55 107 3700 139 68 173 66 17.6 13.43 12.6 00:42:55 107 3700 135 65 173 66 17.6 13.15 12.6 00:42:55 107 3700 133 64 173 66 17.6 13.15 12.4 00:42:55 107 3675 132 64 173 66 17.6 12.85 12.6 00:42:55 107 3675 131 63 173 66 17.6 12.33 12.6 00:42:55 107 3675 130 63 173 66 17.6 12.12 12.6 00:42:55 107 3675 129 62 173 66 17.6 12.33 12.5 00:42:55 108 3650 126 59 173 66 17.6 11.84 12.5 00:42:55 108 3650 125 58 173 66 17.6 11.87 12.6 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:56 108 3600 124 58 173 66 17.6 11.60 12.6 00:42:56 108 3600 120 58 173 66 17.6 11.66 12.6 00:42:56 108 3600 126 56 173 66 17.6 11.35 12.5 00:42:56 108 3600 120 56 173 66 17.6 11.14 12.6 00:42:56 108 3600 123 56 173 66 17.6 11.35 12.4 00:42:56 108 3575 116 55 173 66 17.6 10.87 12.6 00:42:56 108 3550 116 55 173 66 17.6 11.26 12.5 00:42:56 108 3550 116 55 173 66 17.6 11.14 12.4 00:42:56 108 3575 119 54 173 66 17.6 10.68 12.2 00:42:56 109 3550 117 54 173 66 17.6 10.96 12.6 00:42:56 109 3550 117 54 173 66 17.6 10.96 12.6 00:42:56 109 3550 113 53 173 66 17.6 11.17 12.5 00:42:56 108 3550 119 53 173 66 17.6 10.50 12.5 00:42:56 108 3550 117 53 173 66 17.6 10.41 12.2 00:42:56 108 3550 114 53 173 66 17.6 10.65 12.4 00:42:56 108 3525 111 53 173 66 17.6 10.71 12.5 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:57 108 3525 113 53 173 66 17.6 10.93 12.4 00:42:57 108 3525 116 53 173 66 17.6 10.77 12.7 00:42:57 109 3525 116 53 173 66 17.6 10.90 12.7 00:42:57 109 3525 113 52 173 66 17.6 10.41 12.6 00:42:57 109 3525 111 52 174 66 17.6 10.44 12.6 00:42:57 109 3525 113 52 174 66 17.6 10.65 12.8 00:42:57 109 3500 112 53 174 66 17.6 10.93 12.8 00:42:57 109 3525 112 53 174 66 17.6 10.68 12.9 00:42:57 109 3525 117 53 174 66 17.6 10.90 13.0 00:42:57 109 3525 116 53 174 66 17.6 10.90 12.6 00:42:57 109 3550 113 54 174 66 17.6 10.96 12.5 00:42:57 109 3525 114 54 174 66 17.6 10.68 12.9 00:42:57 109 3550 116 54 174 66 17.6 10.96 12.7 00:42:57 109 3550 116 55 174 66 17.6 11.11 12.7 00:42:57 110 3550 118 55 174 66 17.6 11.17 12.6 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:58 110 3550 120 56 174 66 17.6 11.17 12.8 00:42:58 110 3575 118 58 174 66 17.6 11.66 12.9 00:42:58 110 3575 123 58 174 66 17.6 11.84 12.8 00:42:58 110 3600 123 59 174 66 17.6 11.63 13.0 00:42:58 110 3650 129 61 174 66 17.6 12.12 12.9 00:42:58 110 3675 129 62 174 66 17.6 12.12 12.9 00:42:58 110 3700 130 64 174 66 17.6 12.42 13.0 00:42:58 110 3725 130 64 174 66 17.6 12.94 12.9 00:42:58 111 3725 132 64 174 66 17.6 12.94 12.9 00:42:58 110 3775 132 64 174 66 17.6 12.64 12.7 00:42:58 110 3775 131 64 174 66 17.6 12.94 12.7 00:42:58 111 3750 136 64 174 66 17.6 12.97 12.8 00:42:58 111 3775 136 64 174 66 17.6 12.45 12.7 00:42:58 111 3775 120 64 176 66 17.6 12.97 12.5 00:42:58 111 3775 135 65 176 66 17.6 13.15 12.6 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:42:59 111 3775 136 66 176 66 17.6 12.73 12.8 00:42:59 111 3775 136 67 176 67 17.2 13.22 13.0 00:42:59 111 3800 139 69 176 67 17.2 13.64 12.9 00:42:59 112 3825 142 71 176 67 17.2 13.43 12.6 00:42:59 112 3850 139 74 176 67 17.2 13.95 12.8 00:42:59 112 3875 144 76 176 67 17.2 13.98 12.8 00:42:59 111 3900 149 78 176 67 17.2 15.20 12.8 00:42:59 111 3900 155 80 176 67 15.8 14.89 12.5 00:42:59 112 3925 153 81 176 67 15.8 15.20 12.5 00:42:59 112 3950 157 82 176 67 15.8 15.84 12.7 00:42:59 112 3950 157 83 176 67 16.5 16.18 12.3 00:42:59 112 4000 163 83 176 67 16.5 16.18 12.3 00:42:59 112 4000 163 84 176 67 16.5 16.51 12.1 00:42:59 112 4000 163 86 176 67 16.9 16.72 12.6 00:42:59 113 4000 169 87 176 67 16.9 16.48 12.1 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:43:00 113 4000 169 87 176 67 16.5 16.69 12.0 00:43:00 113 3975 165 88 176 67 14.8 17.15 12.2 00:43:00 114 4000 165 88 176 67 14.8 16.94 12.3 00:43:00 114 4050 170 88 176 67 14.4 16.94 12.4 00:43:00 114 4050 169 88 176 67 15.8 17.15 12.4 00:43:00 114 4050 166 83 176 67 16.2 16.72 12.2 00:43:00 114 4000 164 81 176 67 12.3 15.84 12.0 00:43:00 115 3975 162 76 176 67 14.8 16.18 12.3 00:43:00 114 3950 157 71 176 67 14.8 14.56 12.3 00:43:00 114 3950 146 70 176 67 14.8 14.56 12.3 00:43:00 114 3925 149 68 176 67 16.2 14.56 12.5 00:43:00 115 3900 144 65 176 67 16.2 13.76 11.9 00:43:00 115 3900 140 64 176 67 16.2 13.34 12.1 00:43:00 114 3875 136 64 176 67 16.9 12.97 12.6 00:43:00 114 3875 131 64 176 67 16.9 12.45 12.7 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:43:01 114 3850 120 62 176 67 16.9 12.67 12.5 00:43:01 115 3850 126 60 176 67 17.2 12.24 12.4 00:43:01 115 3850 126 58 176 67 17.2 11.96 12.3 00:43:01 115 3775 122 58 177 67 17.6 11.38 12.2 00:43:01 115 3775 122 58 177 67 17.6 11.17 12.2 00:43:01 115 3775 122 58 177 67 17.6 11.45 12.4 00:43:01 115 3725 116 58 177 67 17.6 11.45 12.5 00:43:01 115 3775 116 56 177 67 17.6 10.71 12.5 00:43:01 115 3750 120 56 177 67 17.6 11.29 12.6 00:43:01 115 3725 120 58 177 67 17.6 11.57 12.6 00:43:01 115 3750 120 56 177 67 17.6 11.08 12.6 00:43:01 115 3750 117 56 177 67 17.6 11.63 12.5 00:43:01 115 3775 118 58 177 67 17.6 11.84 12.5 00:43:01 115 3750 122 58 177 67 17.6 11.84 12.6 00:43:01 115 3775 123 59 177 67 17.6 12.12 12.5 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:43:02 115 3775 125 60 177 67 17.2 12.12 12.5 00:43:02 115 3800 123 61 177 67 17.2 12.42 12.4 00:43:02 116 3800 126 62 177 67 17.2 12.67 12.3 00:43:02 116 3850 131 62 178 67 17.2 12.67 12.5 00:43:02 116 3825 131 63 178 67 17.2 12.15 12.5 00:43:02 116 3850 131 63 178 67 17.2 12.64 12.7 00:43:02 116 3850 129 63 178 67 17.2 12.64 12.4 00:43:02 116 3850 129 63 178 67 17.2 12.64 12.6 00:43:02 116 3850 130 64 178 67 17.2 12.36 12.4 00:43:02 116 3850 130 64 178 67 17.2 12.15 12.6 00:43:02 116 3850 131 64 178 67 17.2 12.67 12.8 00:43:02 117 3875 127 64 178 67 17.2 12.82 12.6 00:43:02 117 3875 131 64 178 67 17.2 12.64 12.5 00:43:02 116 3875 131 64 178 67 17.2 12.73 12.6 00:43:02 116 3875 130 64 178 67 17.2 12.73 12.2 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:43:03 116 3875 132 64 178 67 17.2 12.64 12.5 00:43:03 117 3875 132 64 178 67 17.2 12.73 12.3 00:43:03 117 3875 129 64 178 67 17.2 12.73 12.7 00:43:03 117 3900 131 64 178 67 17.2 12.64 12.7 00:43:03 116 3900 130 63 180 67 17.2 12.64 12.2 00:43:03 117 3900 127 62 180 67 17.2 12.42 12.2 00:43:03 117 3875 126 60 180 67 17.2 11.93 12.2 00:43:03 117 3850 126 58 180 67 17.2 11.84 12.2 00:43:03 117 3800 120 56 180 67 17.2 11.63 12.0 00:43:03 117 3800 118 56 180 67 17.2 11.14 12.3 00:43:03 117 3775 119 56 180 67 17.6 11.08 12.5 00:43:03 117 3775 120 56 180 67 17.6 11.35 12.4 00:43:03 117 3800 117 56 180 67 17.2 11.35 12.6 00:43:03 117 3800 122 56 180 67 17.2 11.63 12.4 00:43:03 118 3800 119 56 180 67 17.2 11.17 12.4 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:43:04 118 3800 116 56 180 67 17.2 11.17 12.2 00:43:04 118 3775 117 55 180 67 17.6 11.11 12.2 00:43:04 118 3775 117 55 180 68 17.6 10.59 12.2 00:43:04 118 3775 120 56 180 68 17.6 10.80 12.2 00:43:04 117 3775 120 56 180 68 17.6 11.29 12.4 00:43:04 117 3775 116 56 180 68 17.6 11.08 12.7 00:43:04 117 3775 116 56 180 68 17.6 11.08 12.5 00:43:04 117 3775 118 56 180 68 17.6 11.29 12.7 00:43:04 118 3800 119 56 180 68 17.2 10.83 12.4 00:43:04 118 3775 118 56 180 68 17.6 11.32 12.6 00:43:04 118 3775 118 56 180 68 17.6 11.32 12.5 00:43:04 117 3800 120 56 180 68 17.2 11.29 12.2 00:43:04 117 3775 122 56 180 68 17.6 11.08 12.3 00:43:04 118 3800 120 56 180 68 17.2 11.14 12.4 00:43:04 118 3800 118 55 180 68 17.2 11.35 12.1 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 00:43:05 118 3775 116 52 180 68 17.6 10.59 12.3 00:43:05 117 3750 104 44 180 68 17.6 9.58 12.0 00:43:05 117 3600 68 33 180 68 19.7 5.71 10.6 00:43:05 117 3700 67 31 180 68 27.8 4.61 10.4 00:43:05 119 3550 46 9 181 68 32.4 0.58 10.7 00:43:05 119 3575 27 2 181 68 21.5 0.61 10.5 00:43:05 116 3575 22 2 181 68 21.5 0.61 10.5 00:43:05 117 3600 18 2 181 68 21.5 0.61 10.5 00:43:05 117 3575 18 2 181 68 21.5 0.58 10.9 00:43:05 118 3500 17 2 181 68 21.5 0.58 11.3 00:43:05 117 3475 17 2 181 68 21.5 0.58 11.4 00:43:05 117 3475 17 2 181 68 21.5 0.58 11.4 00:43:05 116 3475 15 2 181 68 21.5 0.58 11.3 00:43:05 116 3450 17 2 181 68 21.5 0.58 11.3 00:43:05 116 3450 14 2 181 68 21.5 0.58 11.4 EngRun Mph Rpm KPa Tps CtsF MatF Spkf PW WB 206/206 roller cam, F/M, Razor's alky kit, my own reworked TR ecm, and code, lots of hours tuning using a WB, EGT, scanmaster, and datalogging. Yes, my results are not typical, but the level of attention to detail given the code, and time tuning aren't typical. While I've picked 87, and run it successfully, it also indicates, that with a lesser amount of work, that the same results can be made using 89, or 91. Being able to add some boost, by adding alky has been proven. While you'd need to lower the boost to run 87, by adding alky you're able to maintain, if not still slightly increase the amount of boost (and possibly timing) you can run. The enclosed datalog is *low timing*, in that, I was still working on the new tune with the 3.5 Bar MAP sensor. I'm kind of old fashioned in that, when I make a code change I back the tune way up, and then rebuild it from more or less the lowest tune possible. And FWIW, please note, I provide datalogs to back up *my thoughts*, while others rely on speculation and *thinking*, rather then actual testing. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ----------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-21-2006, 11:26 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by KWIKR 1 Just got my new TH400 converter delivered this afternoon . Ever seen a Th400 converter build like this like the one shown ? I've never . looks pretty beefy with the plate , if that means anything . Pretty common actually for a good aftermarket converter. Normally that ring is called an *inertia ring*. While for road racing a lighter is better converter, when you're drag racing, you want a enough mass spinning when you launch that the engine doesn't bog down, when you leave, hence the inertia ring. __________________ -------------------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 11:04 AM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by flipmo Question - If you had the choice and still wanted a Stage II, would you spend a ton of money on building a Full-Up Stage II Motor or would you, like in my case, just rebuild my current Stage I and convert it to a Complete Stage II with all the "Bells and Whistles'? Do you mean doing an On-Center Block?. All I see your missing is the 14 block head bolt set-up. IMO, drill and tap the extra holes and be done with it, unless you have some real serious reason for doing a dry sump. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 12:07 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by kjh LT1 MAF with translator I'd say call FullThrottle, and get one of there's to fully utilise the translator. __________________ ---------------------------------- Old 12-01-2006, 08:48 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Apollo Training When NASA was preparing for the Apollo Project, it took the astronauts to a Navajo reservation in Arizona for training. One day, a Navajo elder and his son came across the space crew walking among the rocks. The elder, who spoke only Navajo, asked a question. His son translated for the NASA people: "What are these guys in the big suits doing?" One of the astronauts said that they were practicing for a trip to the moon. When his son relayed this comment, the Navajo elder got all excited and asked if it would be possible to give to the astronauts a message to deliver to the moon. Recognizing a promotional opportunity when he saw one, a NASA official, accompanying the astronauts, said, "Why certainly!" and told an underling to get a tape recorder. The Navajo elder's comments into the microphone were brief. The NASA official asked the son if he would translate what his father had said. The son listened to the recording and laughed uproariously,but he refused to translate. So, the NASA people took the tape to a nearby Navajo village and played it for other members of the tribe. They too laughed long and loudly, but also refused to translate the elder's message to the moon. Finally, an official government translator was summoned. After he also stopped laughing, the translator relayed the message: "Watch out for these %#!holes. They have come to steal your land."* __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 12:05 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog we'll be the ones with the big tent-accepting all religions this holiday season including Christmas, while you elitists yearn for the day when you can turn this country completly over the the far right chistian radicals You think that this is a 'politically correct' or 'war against christians' issue though its not. The left has no problem with Christmas- it's the issue of one holiday or religion taking precedence over all others..not in my melting pot. We're all equal in gods eyes Ya, the far right Christian Radicals that left England to form this country. Thanks for again showing just how much you're taking your country for granted. *Melting Pot*, LMAO, try reading up on how the Muslims see it. Might just google for the word infidel, and see what you find. *gods* eyes?. Interesting spelling......... Old 12-02-2006, 08:57 PM #21 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." Doesn't sound like radical chrisitians, regardless of what their religion was, they knew enough to keep it out. It depends on your definition of radical. To some sailing across the North Atlantic in Oct/Nov., in a slow moving sail boat was an extremely radical thing to do. Not accepting the Church of England as being the *power* in England was radical thinking at one time. The intention was the seperation of Church, and State. Part of the reason for the Pilgrims leaving England is that they didn't like the Church ruling the country. That *thought* was still fresh in minds of those that wrote the Declaration of Independence, and Constitution. They did mention God, and the Creator, as a basis for individual rights, and freedoms, so they did recognise *a supreme being*. Last I heard that infered some sort of religion. If someone doesn't want to recognise *God*, fine, great, I'm all for it, but they're desires, should have no more merit then mine of recognising a *God*. If someone wants to sit down during the Pledge of Allegance, the singing of the National Antem, again, fine, but to force others to not means they're being given preference, which IMO, is wrong. People are always offered the option of not complying, voting, speeding, etc., etc., if someone elects to not comply that shoud be their responsibility, and not infringe on my option of recognising, laws, God, etc.. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 09:26 PM #24 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog There are many different kinds of Christians in this world, and many different Muslims too, they're not all radical hate mongers. Let's hear your definition of *radical*. Care to post a Muslim link where the none believers aren't infidels?. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 09:38 PM #26 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog So then we only disagree on the meaning of the constitution. I believe those elected should protect the rights of the majority and the minority. You believe in the dictatorship of the majority? We do?. Where did I say otherwise?, I only said that we all should have the freedom of choice. No one (of the majority) is forcing people any to do anything, the minority has the option to participate or not. Interesting wording, *dictatorship*. So far your the one that's been supporting a dictator, with your views about SH and President Bush. You're the one saying that SH should have been left alone. You're the one that's been ignoring the US Resolution for war, and repeating nonsense about there being no reason for the war. It's really interesting to see you ask that queston after all your verbage supporting SH. So far, you're the one supporting a dictatorship. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-26-2006, 01:27 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by robk46 If we go to the larger S10 rear pistons, won't the bias change on the braking, causing the rears to lock up first? Maybe. Tire size/ compound come into play. What I wound up doing to balance out my brakes (04 Camaro discs, front and rear), was running the largest possible rear tire, and then trying several front tire sizes till I got the bias I wanted. I also don't run any brake balancing devises, ie less things to go wrong. HUGE ARSED Parking lot, in a heavy mist (light rain) condition is the best way, IMO to check out a cars braking bias. Gradually start at low speeds, and then progessively work your speed up. Some brakes start functioning much better then others at low speeds, you have to do as much testing as possible to make sure you know what the car's going to do under any circumstance. If you're not comfortable in wanting to put the work into figuring things out, I'd say stay stock, and just play with linings, they're not that expensive to experiment with. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-26-2006, 07:37 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood I don't think longer shoes have much effect, but, I could be wrong Using a longer shoe, from what I've read and felt, was a matter of having more of an intial *servo* effect. ie for the first instant of application the braking forces built quicker. Often just using a cheap, gets a softer brake lining material, and a better low speed braking. Down side is fading at higher speeds (but that lessens the *want* of the rears to lock). Again it takes testing to find out what your car and you like. __________________ --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-17-2006, 06:04 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Not the space between Zap's ample ears (scientifically referred to as The Black Hole), but, the space affectionately referred to as Outer Space, or Deep Space, or whatever. Who is for it? Who's agin it? Why? Have we argued this before? GPS, Dish TV, better world wide communications, intel gathering, are all spin offs from it. Remember how big radios were before the Jupiter IV programs?. Understanding the beginnings of our universe, and what we stumble into along the way, IMO, is worth the effort. But, like so many fed programs, it's about agendas, rather then science. I think they're going in the right direction with less ambitious projects, and more of them. That series of screw ups from a few years ago, seems to have taught NASA a few lessions in humility. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." --------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 12-01-2006, 08:39 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Our *Friends*....... http://washingtontimes.com/national/...3049-5042r.htm By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES November 30, 2006 Chinese computer hackers penetrated the Naval War College network earlier this month, forcing security authorities to shut down all e-mail and official computer network work at the Navy's school for senior officers. Navy officials said the computer attack was detected Nov. 15 and two days later the U.S. Strategic Command raised the security alert level for the Pentagon's 12,000 computer networks and 5 million computers. A spokesman for the Navy Cyber Defense Operations Command, located in Norfolk, said "network intrusions" were detected at the Newport, R.I., military school two weeks ago. "The system-network connection was terminated and known affected systems were removed and are being examined for forensic evidence to determine the extent of the intrusion," said Lt. Cmdr. Doug Gabos, the spokesman. "The Naval War College computer system-network is used by students at the war college and contains Navy Professional Reading Program and other materials, all of which are unclassified information." The FBI and Naval Criminal Investigative Service are investigating the breach, another official said. The Naval War College trains senior officers, conducts war games and carries out some classified research such as studies of future warfare. The college's Web site was not accessible yesterday. Adm. Michael Mullen, chief of naval operations, recently directed the war college's Strategic Studies Group to begin work to develop concepts for waging cyber-warfare, a Navy spokesman said. "The Naval War College is where the Navy's Strategic Studies Group is planning and practicing cyber-war techniques, and now they don't even have e-mail access," one U.S. official said. U.S. defense officials said intelligence reports indicated that the cyber-attack on the college came from China, which a recent congressional report said has begun a series of computer network attacks against defense and military systems in the United States code-named "Titan Rain." Retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Richard Goetze, a Naval War College professor, told a class Monday in Washington that Chinese computer hackers were behind the network attack. Gen. Goetze told students that communications were hobbled because the Chinese "took down" the entire Naval War College computer network. Students and professors at the college now have to use private e-mail from home, raising security questions. Cmdr. Gabos declined to comment on the origin of the attack. "The nature and extent of intrusion are operational issues," he said. "I can tell you it was an isolated incident and did not affect other elements of Department of Defense." However, the U.S. Strategic Command, which is in charge of Defense Department computer warfare and defenses, issued a directive about the time the attack was detected ordering all defense computer users to heighten security by changing passwords. The Strategic Command directive stated that the "information condition" was to be raised Nov. 17 from Infocon 5 to Infocon 4, or heightened alert against attack. Alan Paller, a computer security specialist with the private SANS Institute, said the Chinese network attack against the war college is "the tip of the iceberg." "The depth of the penetration is more than anybody is even admitting," he said in an interview. "People are trying to hide this because they're embarrassed." Mr. Paller said the Chinese military's doctrine calls for waging cyber-warfare against computer networks. "Part of it is gathering data and part is leaving a back door so they can get in [to military computers] in the future," he said. The annual report by the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, released Nov. 16, stated that there are "clear examples of computer network penetrations coming from China," including those linked to Titan Rain. The report said the Chinese military has "information warfare units [that] are developing viruses to harm the computer systems of its enemies." Copyright 2006 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 12:29 AM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut how can that even happen, and if they can get in there, what stops them from hacking something else?? All it takes is arrogance, and carelessness on our part. Nothing. It's been shown time after time, that gummit employees are more worried about beenies, then doing their jobs. Look at the fiasco one VA clown generated by taking a disc home, to *work on something*. He managed to compromise several hundred thousand vets, SS#, DOB, and other info., an identity thief could use. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ---------------------------- Old 12-04-2006, 08:46 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by honestjerry well, that's what I thought too, but the Napa computer shows this rubber slotted gasket that supposedly fits around the t stat and then is pinched in place with the housing. Anybody else ever seen this arrangement? That's the N/A 3.8 setup, as well as for a bunch of other GM products. ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-04-2006, 06:24 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Salvatore Lubrano I need an OBD II scanner for my everday car as well as some repairs to others. I am confused about the 4 different data streams which are installed. I have fond this site which I think is great for the moneybut I am usure if any cars in the UNited Stated have a BR-CAN data stream? Are there any other better scanners for a better price? I like the idea of being able to read all the parameters from the laptop. If you just want to read and clear codes, Actron Makes a decent handheld unit. Jeg's and Autozone sells them. There's several levels of them, the $250 unit seems pretty good, IMO. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-05-2006, 08:51 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 To effectively use manuals, means redoing the rotor and calipers...... By using 04 F-Body rotors, and calipers front, and rear, I have very good braking with a reasonable pedal pressure. -------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 12-01-2006, 08:41 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Our Friends, from within..... http://worlddefensereview.com/kohlmayer113006.shtml __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 10:50 AM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog They have tried to prevent us from listening on terrorists' phone calls They only requested a warrant. BTW if Bush knows the terrorists phone #'s why doesnt he fly over there and get them? They have sought to stop us from properly interrogating captured terrorists Not interrogating, TORTURING They have tried to stop us from monitoring terrorists' financial transactions without a warrant They have revealed the existence of secret national security programs that were illegal They have opposed vital components of the Patriot Act that were illegal They have sought to confer unmerited legal rights on terrorists like basic human dignity They have opposed profiling to identify the terrorists in our midst more like protecting people from unreasonable search and seizure They have impugned and demeaned our military they have fought for the military and their safety.They didn't send them undermanned, underequiped into battle with no objectives They have insinuated that the president is a war criminal Well..he is They have forced the resignation of a committed defense secretary Who was incompetent They have repeatedly tried to de-legitimize our war effort Legitimize? we don't even know who or what we're fighting for They want to quit the battlefield in the midst of war. See above its such a shame we have all these people on the right who not only want to attack every country in the world, but they attack our allies and our own people ("dims") relentlessly Here's a few clues, It's not the President's job opr position to *fly over and get them*. TORTURING, varies by who's definiton you want to use. BTW, have you EVER read up on the basics of interogation?. Try reading the *The Gentle Art of Interogation, and get back with us. So far nothing's been judged as being illegal, just alot of accusations. From what I've read, I haven't seen anything illegal being done. Ya, let's advertise every tactic we have for fighting them, your lack of having put yourself in harm's way, is showing here. *War Criminal*?, LMAO, I can't begin to fill you in how nonsensical that is. Again, maybe if you had a clue about fighting for what you'r taken for granted, you'd have a slightly more realistic view of things. Unpopular, not incompentent. You tactic of using hindsight is just overwhelming, while things could have be done differently, that doesn't mean the decisions that were made were wrong at the time. Again, try reading what the resolution for war says, and you'd know why were there. Just because you refuse to figure out why we're there doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 07:31 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog If its not his job, he should step down and let some else be president, someone interested in tracking OBL. The geneva conventions give outlines for torture and human dignity. We have violated both. True, Bush appealed to his own apointees to see if he was doing something illegal, and astonishingly they agreed with him. Waterboarding is torture, and we have done it. Maybe when more of the people we "disappeared" finally see daylight, we'll get more answers You can laugh all you want, and keep your head firmly in the sand, but this president decided to invade Iraq before he was president, so he systematically lied to the american people and congress to get his war. He attacked an unarmed soveriegn nation, occupied it, and then tortured its citizens...that sounds like a war criminal to me. You really need to get some idea about what the President's duties are. He's Cammander in Chief, not a grunt. It's really laugable how people think how easy it is to find one individual in something as large as the Mid East/ Africa. BTW, it was Clinton the was President when OBL was clearly in the sights of American Assets. Again, spoken like someone that hasn't seen it his duty to serve America. It's easy to be an academic when you're not the one being shot at. It's really a laugh how some people equate war, with a video game. Yes, there are people that get overzealous, but, that's what they did, it wasn't endorsed by the higher ups. I know that for someone like you, you'll be the first one to ignore the truth, and say otherwise. But, again, it's due to your lack of having served that allows you to be so doubtful. LMAO, I'm the one with his head in the sand, coming from you that's really funny. It's just flat amazing how someone that hasn't a clue (you've repeated said you haven't any idea why were at war), that now you'll claim that Bush was wanting war before he even got into office. Make you your mind will ya?. Again, it's amazing how you totally ignore that SH caused the invasion, all he had to do was follow through on his agreements with the UN, and it wouldn't have happened. Just how blinded by hate are you?, it looks to be overwhelming so from over here. You ignore SH gassing of his own people, shooting at American jets, not allowing inspectors in, any yet blame the war on President Bush. BTW, if you want to nit pic on people being quilty of crimes, try looking up treason, and see how it applies to your lies, and half truths, can be taken as acts of treason. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 07:33 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Rule of Law.....I always love it when the far left pretends to have morals. It's not just the *far left*. It's almost to the stage of main stream left being that way, IMO. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 09:04 PM #15 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood One cannot question the events that led up to the war unless one is dishonest with oneself. Or too brain dead to be able to objectively look at events, or facts. Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 09:12 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog like I said over and over, the case was made with cherry picked evidence, the stuff that didn't made the case was kept from congress on purpose. Yeah the whole world thought he had WMD, I wonder where they got that idea?????????? Dick Cheney maybe? Cheney tells Libby to tell Judy Miller that Saddam has WMD, Judy miller prints it in the NYT. Then Cheney goes on the sunday talk shows and says "hey, its not just me saying there's WMD, its the NYT too!" You can keep repeating it, but that doesn't make it true. How can you continually ignore that SH invited the war?. It's amazing just what ends of nonsense and well, idiocy you'll post. Dugh, because he'd done it before, ie had a secret program that he hide from the UN for decades. Geesh, just how poorly informed are you, to ask such basic questions?. Ya, it was Cheney, LMAO, forget that every mideast country also thought he'd been working on them. Or that he was violating most every UN agreement he had. Again, you just might actually read up on the matter, from other then whatever it is you use as a source of info., Tommy Franks has a book out about SH, and to what lengths the US went to figure out what was going on. Please read up on the matter, so that you have some idea of what happened vs your claims about siting Cheney as being the single source for the WMD claim, that's just nonsensical. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 09:22 PM #19 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Trying to point out the ridiculousness of Bush saying " If Al queda is calling you, we want to know about it" its just a stupid statement for non thinking people to accept. Bush doesn't know if Al queda is calling, and he isn't taping their phones. He's taping everyone's phone and then seaching for Al queda within the data So?...... I'm sure your perfectly willing to let others die, since you've not put yourself in the position to understand what war is about. It's a shame that you don't recognise, 3,000 American lives being lost in a major city as something to try and prevent from reocuring. I wonder at what stage things would have to be, for you to wake up to the reality of world around you. It's not some video game, lives are at steak. If they're sorting through international calls, looking for leads, I'm all for it. For some reason I take issue with the lose of American lives, which BTW, is what's at steak. BTW, have you heard of anyone being charged with any crime (from just the info., gained) from the wire taps?. I haven't, if it gives investigators some persons of interest to investigate, fine by me. It's amasing how in one breath you complain about the lack of intel., and then in next want to reduce info., gathering even more. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-03-2006, 09:52 AM #21 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog I, like all americans support the war on ALqueda and bring them to justice for what they did. It just seems to me that Bush did the old bait and switch to start a war with someone who had nothing to do with 9/11. Why didn't he get OBL? Why do republicans accept that he didnt get OBL, and why do republicans accept that he is no longer looking for OBL? Now how in the world can anyone be charged with a crime with the wire tapping? the people being tapped don't know they're being tapped, and the govt will not release the details. Why do you accept everything Bush says at face value? you never even entertain for a second that it might not be true? First he said it was just international calls-that turned out not to be true, then he said in April of 2004 I believe "anytime you hear anything about wire tap, a wire tap requires a court order, nothing has changed" though now, Bush has admitted not going to the FISA court for warrants, and no warrants for the data mining on the domestic calls either. So he lied. Why are you so willing to give away your constitutional rights and mine???? While you proclaim that you do, you're always giving the bad guys as much of hand as possible. You act like it's some sort of game, we're talking about lives here, both home and abroad. Geesh, how many times are we going to have to cover the same ground?, OBL is hiding, he's one man, hiding on one of at least two continents. Have you ANY idea of how many caves, and mud huts he might be hiding in?. *We* simply don't have the assests to turn over ever rock, not to mention the media, and they're giving away any intel gathering we have. BTW, he's just one man, and IMO he'll be found dead or alive eventually, why spend a billion dollars to find him, when there's much better ways to spend that much money?. I do reserve the *right* to be wrong, but until someone comes up with a solid shred of evidence, I have this old fashioned idea about being innocent until proven guilty. With all the blabber mouths in DC is there's anything seriously wrong going on, it'll just be a matter of time, until the truth is known. As long as citizens as going to want the feds to protect them, without them participating, then *we* are going to have to surrender something in return. How many missed opportunities were there, in discovering the 9/11 plot?. If any one of dozens of people had said hey somethings wrong here, 3,000 Americans would be alive today, not to mention that if the folks in the air had been less compliant, they could have foiled the plan. As long as people don't want to participate, and rely on the feds for everything, then they (the feds) will need more powers. It's as simple as that. That is unless you like reading about your fellow Americans being slaughtered. There just ain't no free rides.... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-03-2006, 11:46 AM #23 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog **I think** if we sent 150k troops to Afghanistan rather than Iraq..we would have gotten him...now he's safe in Pakistan, and the 9/11 victims still have no justice. Based on what experiences?. Have you any idea of what your talking about?, it's too bad you haven't spent any time as a grunt, as then you might appreciate just what sort of effort your talking about. 150K troops to look for one man, IMO, is complete waste of resources. He's safe in Pakistan?, quick call the Pentagon, and claim the reward for finding him. Again, is this just another one of your *I think*s?. It's been pretty well documented that he's slipped between Africa, and the Mid East numberous times, one can flip a coin, as far as guessing where he is. Too bad President Clinton was so PC and let him walk away..... And with so many people like you that won't do anything but complain about everyone else not doing enough, they may never. For someone to come to trial, takes sacrifice, in one form or another, again, there's no free rides, and so far, you've taken the tact that everything Bush, Rumsfield, Cheney, Congress, or the miitary, has done or not done has been wrong. You've taken every possible shot at everyone that's tried to do something, all the while, you've not mentioned one item that you've done to support any effort to do anything. IMO, there comes a time when one should put their own opinions aside, and fully support the efforts of those trying to do the right thing. You can express your displeasure when you vote, you don't have to do it when your efforts are only undermining our troops, and giving aid to our enemies. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-03-2006, 02:57 PM #25 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog based on when we had OBL surrounded, we didn't have enough guys to get him, so we outsourced troops(who let him go) I'll let the 9/11 victims families know that getting the guy who killed their family member is a waste of resources. and yes, OBL is in Pakistan..where have you been? He was out in the open, and in a drone's sights.... If any of them have a reasonable bone left in their bodies, they'd agree sending 150K troops after one guy would be a waste of resources. How are you going to inform them?, seems like again you're your just game playing and aren't actually going to do anything. Got any proof?. You mentioned me just buying into whatever *Bush* is selling, and yet you continually just repeat any nonsense you've heard. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-04-2006, 06:17 PM #29 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog What are you going to say if OBL hits us again? Oh well eventually we'll get him. How about even a half assed effort to find him? no dice, but a war with Iraq? Now that's important! He had no WMD, Hans Bliks and the weapons inspectors werent being hindered,yet itchy trigger finger Bush just had to have this war. OK, I guess I really have to break this down for you. I said, sending in 150K was a waste of resources. I guess not having been in the military or not reading up on what it takes to move a modern Army has left you tretty much clueless. Moving that many troops is a huge effort, it means staging equipment in anticipation of the invason. Moving that much equipment into any where near Pakistan, would give anyone with 20/20 eyesight in on the fact something big was about to go down. We've had assests in Kuwait, and SA for years now, so that build up wasn't a big deal. Now to attempt that anywhere near Pakistan, just couldn't happen without setting off all sorts of bells. BTW, have you got any idea about how much in the of materials it takes to keep a trooper in the field for a day?. Again, you're showing your distane or ignorance about how the military works, there's these small groups/ teams, called Navy SEALS, Rangers, Marines (and their Recon Groups), that work in small teams so that they can cover A LOT of ground quickly, ie without the bulk of moving 150K men. BTW, you really should get to know a few SEALS, so that you have a clue about what those guys are about. They're well trained, well disciplied go getters of the first order. Something that's rarely even seen in the civilian world. You really should read up on the Resolution of War, you're tactic of repeating lies, and half truths is really getting old. Again, SH and his men were shooting at US Warplanes. Again, it seems like your distane for the military is showing. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Last edited by Doc1of7 : 12-04-2006 at 06:55 PM. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-04-2006, 06:20 PM #30 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog S.H. was the one actually "neutered" (according to the UN inspectors-not GOP spin)and never attacked the U.S. yet he deserves the full force of our military, and OBL none. It's amazing just how much you advertise your lack of having any good info., on the matter. Again, SH was targeting US Warplanes. And there are assets on the ground looking for OBL. It's not either/ or, we're doing/ did both. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-04-2006, 07:20 PM #34 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog thanks for calling me ignorant, but The news reported that the CIA shut down their Bin Laden unit. From my point of view. Bush placed all his resources on getting the guy who *might* have built WMD that he *may* have used against us, rather than the guy who did attack us. So my question to you is. Bush isn't looking for OBL and he's dismantled the CIA OBL unit, so arent you even a little curious what his reasoning is???????? to date he hasnt given any.. Do you know any Spec Ops types?. If you're posing as knowing things that you don't, making false assuptions, etc., well, if the shoe fits.... Yawn, there's more folks involved in the hunt then just the CIA. BTW, I said distane or ignorance... It seems your more then willing to misquote others, make poorly formed assumptions, not even begin to research matters that you comment on, and then act outraged about being called what you're set yourself up to look like. Don't complain to me about your own actions. Again, you've playing the all or nothing game. Nope, we've spent a fortune looking for *just* him, and he's hiding under a rock. The CIA has only a limited amount of resources, and many other issues to deal with. There are still assets in Pakistan, Afganistan, the Mid East, and Africa, while you like to think you know where he is, others aren't blinded by just their personal views and are keeping all options open for where to look for him. Just to again make things clear for you *hiding under a rock*, I mean not being able to have the comfort of easily communicating with his subobinates. To lead, means to be able to communicate effectively, and in a timely manner. Both seem to be items he's been shut off from being able to use. Not to mention his (at least his personal) funding has been pretty well tied up. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-05-2006, 08:33 PM #37 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 86NYGN Hmmmm, interesting how you can come up with a different reason for the Iraq invasion everytime another one of the "reasons" proves to be false. Were these planes being shot at BEFORE 9/11?? Why yes they were. Why didn't Bush put a stop to these "attacks" before 9/11?? Why didn't he invade Iraq immediately after taking office?? Same planes were being "attacked" pre 9/11 as were being "attacked" after 9/11. I believe the first Bush and other countries sent 500,000 troops to the area in a buildup just before the first gulf war so what was the rush with Bush the 2nd??? Well I will await your "SPIN" on these questions. P.S. what is "distane"??? Different?, sorry but no, I've been consistant in what I've said all along. Try watching what happens when a new management team takes over a big business, there is an adjustment time. With the inertia of the federal government, things just don't happen over night. Not to mention it takes Congress time to figure out which path is going to be the most popular, vs what's the right thing to do. There was no rush, and SH was given time to comply with the agreements he's agreed to. Just use the word contempt, instead. BTW, interesting that you want to call others *spinning* when you guilty of it. Unless that is, you can document, how President Bush was in a rush for war. Not with opinion, but with facts, lets see some hard facts about things that a reaspnable President should have done, that President Bush didn't do. BTW, just as a case in point, how about proving in some way where giving NK more time has done any good.... Or how not making an issue over an American Warship being attacked did any good. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-05-2006, 08:40 PM #38 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog I seem to recall John Kerry saying the same thing in 2004, that tracking terrorists should be a intelligence gathering-specials ops and more of a policing. He was ridiculed by the right for these comments. I agree with him, and you as to how we should get other terrorists, but in the case of OBL, justice delayed is justice denied. His crime was so outrageous that no expense should be spared getting him. Your getting to be a real laugh...... First you talk about OBL then slide over into terrorists. Got a line for your recollection?. It's odd how you complain about the invasion of Iraq, and then in the next breath want to invade Pakistan on nothing more then *You think* OBL might be there. Not to mention you still haven't tried explaining how you'd get 150K troops into Pakistan, without tipping you hand about the *invasion*. *no expense spared*, I'm sure glad your not in charge of the federal budget. I could see you driving the entire country into the ground (in weeks), with your poorly thought out ideas. BTW, have you ever known any Spec Ops types?. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-05-2006, 10:21 PM #40 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by wmsonta Doc- Do what I did. Re-read the thread, paying attention to your part. Then give it up. It is useless and an utter waste of effort. To gain requires opposition with some level of intellectual honesty. These two are "seminar" trained political hacks. As far as I am concerned-they are dismissed. True, but, I just like letting *them* know there are those that just don't accept the nonsense they repeat. Ya gotta love how invading Iraq was a bad idea (in their minds), and then it's fine by them to invade Pakistan, because they think OBL is there. Not to mention the *how* of how to sneek 150K troops in, goes unanswered. Who knows, maybe when confronted with enough evidence, they might at least be swayed slightly. But, it seems nowadays, that the truely hate filled are oblivious to anything that makes sense. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Old 12-06-2006, 06:52 PM #43 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Don't laugh, you didnt get my distinction. Terrorists plotting against us should be hunted down with special ops and police work. The terrorist who killed all those americans on 9/11 should get much more resources dedicated to his capture. I never said invade Pakistan. They are, but you seem to think the CIA was the only folks working on it. The terrorists that did the killing are dead, it's the leaders of the men that need caught. Oops, Afganistan, still no difference, it'd be a waste of resources, and there's no way to deploy the force. Not to mention your *plan* is just based on some assumption of your's. The way to catch your prey is to keep an objective thought process, so far, you've failed to explain how to accomplish this invasion, in any practical way. Let's here about where you'd stage this invasion from, without tipping your hand. Remember, the primary support air craft for troop supplies into that area of the world are prop jobs, and you need to keep air time down to just a few hours for each leg of the mission. If you want to prescribe a method of attack, let's hear some details about how it can be done. Is it safe to gather from your lack of response about knowing any SEALs, Rangers, etc., that you don't know any, much less have called any friend?. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Reply ----------------------------------- Old 12-06-2006, 07:22 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Paul B Is their even any point in buying anything smaller than 50's? None, I've spent hours and hours with 40s, 55, and 60s. Even a mild combo the 60s can be docile at low throttle openings, and still pass enough fuel to make decent HP. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." ------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-06-2006, 07:32 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by TURBO E-BODY I am maxing out my MAF (255 grams per second of air) at about 15 pounds of boost, Depends on the level of performance you want. You can run rather well with a pegged MAF (assuming it's not dropping out). BUT: When you peg the MAF you peg the max fuel, and WHEN you reach your best timing. So the tune gets to be rather limited. With a MAP based system, you can have both timing and fuel resolution all the time (well for any reasonable amount of boost). But, it takes more then a chip, ie you need a MAFTPRO. If you're on a tight budget, then a Translator Pro, some 60 PPH, and a good chip are in order. The more you push the envelope, then the better served you are to gather as much tuning data as possible. A DirectScam, Scanmaster, EGT, and WB, are all cost effective items as you start going faster. __________________ ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-06-2006, 10:17 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Freddie's Regal http://www.prepsparkplugs.com/detfix.htm Read it......it sounds very interesting. Give input... Snake Oil for the unsuspecting. The stock code, allows for 12d of timing retard due to input from the K/S, if your tune is so far off that 12d ain't enough, well, there's HUGE issues. These timing calcs happen A LOT faster then the mechanics of shunting gases can occur. There's always been some interesting claims made by manufacturers, for some entertaining reading, try googling for Nology. Once you get through that, Jacob's electronics has some more fun reading. If you want to read up on ignition, and gas engines, then you need to read the works of the original researchers, Obert, Glass, Heywood, Ricardo. Once you get away from the researchers, you get into marketing, and opinions, which often have little to do with the truths of the matter. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-07-2006, 08:40 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Freddie's Regal Read it......it sounds very interesting. Speaking of Nology...... The latest issue of Modified Mustangs has an article about their plug wires, and some silver electrode spark plugs.... On a stock engine they picked up ~8 HP. One of the laughs was the typical, let's compare new plugs to a baseline that uses, used plugs. Not to mention that while a silver electroded plug will provide an ion trail easier then a conventional plug, it also erodes A LOT faster. For a plug to use the least amount of electron flow, means having sharp edges from which the spark will jump. A fast eroding plug means the corners get rounded off faster..... BTW, once upon a time, I spent a lot of money trying all the gimicks and since have learned *anything too good to be true*, probably is....... From what I've been able to see, there's no such thing as *spark punch through*, and there's no such thing as having too much reserve spark energy. There is a practical limit to how much electrical energy you can store in a coi. Using a CD, with a multispark capability (assuming it's done correctly, and the MSD DIS, doesn't seem to pass the reliability test from what I've read), greatly improves the ability to generate as large of flame kernel as possible. The bigger and badder the spark(s), the less timing is needed, for an equal level of HP. YMMV __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ---------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-07-2006, 08:46 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 For those of you that have any ole pics, be sure to save them. I got some poor advise, or maybe at the time it was good, but I tossed the pics I had. Over the years, the names have been forgotten, and the images fogged, it would be nice to have some of the pics around. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-07-2006, 09:56 PM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Ttype83 I was hoping to see some from you. I know what you meet. I bought a Pentax 35mm while on R+R, and for the last few months of my tour snapped a ton of pics.. Fair amount of *Puff* pics with him unloading, kinda up close... Quad 50s firing at night (4 50 cal machine guns mounted on the back of a 5t truck), seeing by the light of day from so many illumination rounds being *up*, Some one-off track vehicles, ie 4 WWII PomPom guns on a turret. Some AF security dogs, that just had *the look*. Not to mention what the effects of Agent Orange looked like, or what Napalm looked like again up close. The one real treasure was a timed exposure of about 20 or so seconds at night, with Puff firing, from the vantage point of being 30m or so from ground zero. It really caught what *A LOT* of tracers looked like... FOr those that never heard of, *Puff* it was a WWII cargo plane (C-47) that had been fitted with a series of mini-guns. They'd do a slow turn with the guns ablazing. So it was a cone shaped path of slugs, converging at one point on the ground. BTW, it's amazing just how similiar CRB looked to your shots. Thou, the prop areas at CRB when I was there, were still PSP. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 12-07-2006, 08:25 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 I bought a 04 Camaro front brake setup from a guy on this list for $600. That was complete, and assemblied. I bought a set of 04 Camaro rear brakes off of ebay for $250. As much as I hate to mention them, at T6P.com in the library is where I documented all that was done. I'm also running a manual system, and it's covered at T6P as well. Using a G-Tech SS, my braking distances are a tie with a C6 vette (none, ZO6), from 80->0.. __________________ ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-08-2006, 02:36 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Just want fairness and a level playing field. Reguardless, of how many 1/2 truths, lies, and opinions based on Fairy Tales need told. Or invading another nation on the *fact* that a bad guy *might* be there..... Or as long as it's not your butt being shot at. If *we* are going to war, I want to win, forget trying to be PC, or worrying about barking dogs, the object of war is to make the enemy die, I don't see the point of *fairness, and a level playing field*, I want to win, and with as few deaths/ injuries, on our side as possible. ------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-08-2006, 02:31 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofish38 Too bad there aint a quick and dirty way to sneak some 12" rotors on there. The LS1, 12's are as easy as you're going to get. Turn the spindles down to use a hubs, add an adapter bracket that means drilling out, and tapping 2 holes in the spindle. Then add the rotors, and calipers. __________________ Quick reply to this message Old 12-08-2006, 05:42 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofish38 Might as well use the G-body spindle if you're going to do all of that. It does, Just need to drill + tap two holes (on the spindle), for the adapter bracket. __________________ ---------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 12-08-2006, 05:38 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by jnmullvte Now my question is should I rebuild? The compression test was very good, and very close between all cylinders. What do you guys think? *If* I had the engine on a stand, then I'd be buying new parts for it. Doing a frame off, and then having to do an engine rebuild in a couple years, and risking scratching *new* paint, isn't practical, IMO. __________________ ---------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 12-09-2006, 07:52 AM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Oil Pump Covers What options are there for the oil pump cover?. I'd like to find one that is externally adjustible, doesn't have an oil filter pad, and just pipe fittings for the oil filter and cooler. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Old 12-09-2006, 04:47 PM #4 (permalink) Old Buzzard Older than dirt Old Buzzard's Avatar Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison, GA., USA Posts: 1,281 Send a message via AIM to Old Buzzard Thumbs up Actually, it's... Quote: Originally Posted by earlbrown I've seen one on the T/A build up article from a couple years ago. I thin Duttweilder sell is at a drysup part. I'd like to have one but I've never seen one in a catalog at a decent price. It seems like I saw somthing stupid like $450 or $500 attached to it at one time but I'm not sure. That might be somthing I could look into casting now that I think about it. a fairly simple design. As near as I can tell, it has the common hi vol gear set, and the cover is tapped w/ -10 line/NPT threads, for the pickup, and the pressure stage. The bypass is a -8, as I recall. [The use of the strait thread/o'ring seals would be a better way.] I ran my return to the block off for the fuel pump. I don't think it would be hard to make, except it has to be hard anodized..... A better solution, IMO, is the modified 3800 cover that Kendall did. That piece should be easy to cast, and machine.... ------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-06-2006, 07:14 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 [Hanoi Jane] Her Dad probably has been rolling over in his grave since she hit puberty. Having severed in Nam, all I can say is whatever her future holds for her, it's going to be too nice. Lots of what's been attributed to her saying and doing has been exaggerated, but what she did say and do, was only popular with the cowards, and self centered, then and now. Too bad she didn't get to see what the NVA, did during a recruiting drive. For those not familiar with it, they'd kidnap those men able to work, and then kill most of the rest. In an all agricultural society like Nam was, it was shear torture to even survive one of their attacks. Starvation, and malnutrition was all the survivors had to look forward too. Not to mention what happened in most of Asia once we left. That's just been totally ignored by the media, after all they would never admit to their part in the slaughtering that followed. Nor would the conscience deprived that thought the war was *no big deal*. We can thank Carter for letting the cowards back into our country, and the Noble Society for rewarding him, for his lack of moral fiber. And again, we're seeing a resurgence of cowardice in America. Folks will fight to the death over a $20, and not raise a finger when kidnapped, other then when it seems their future is closing in.. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". --------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-29-2006, 06:23 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 I managed to kill a MAP once. It took numberous heavy back fires to do it in. Thou, I confused one for a while when alky was being blown into it. It got real sluggish in responding. A voltmeter should read about 1.6v at room pressure, and blowing/ sucking on it should see that value change. BTW, Boostsensing is *displayed* with IAT reading. So if you have a DS or Scanmaster you can see the temp change as a matter of MAP changes. __________________ ------------------------------------- #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 IMO, it's better to have a 4" guage, for setting the fuel pressure, and forget having one in car. The in cars, just aren't large enough to get any really good info., IMO. Instead of the fuel pressure, I'd suggest an oil temp. guage. Oil temp., can be kind of sneeky, and easily ignored. Not to mention that in stop and go traffic it can get a lot hotter then you might expect. Since installing an oil temp., I've also taken a lot of the cruise timing out, and thus now carry about 5 PSI more oil pressure, at cruise due to it being cooler from running less timing. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------------ Old 12-10-2006, 09:43 AM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 The Beer Prayer The Beer Prayer Our lager, Which art in barrels, Hallowed by they drink. Thy will be drunk, (I will be drunk), At home as in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, And forgive us our spillages, As we foregive those who spill against us. And lead us not into incarceration, But deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, The bitter and the lager, For ever and ever, Barmen. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." -------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 12-11-2006, 05:15 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 The Other CD DIS The igntion module will be mounted inside the car, with the coils on the firewall. The *Red* pieces are the MSD Type II coil to CD igntion adapters. Again, just another detail to reducing the work load to R+R the engine. Unplug the 6 plug wires toss them on the cowl, and the igntion if *off* the engine. Gonna be running 3 ACCEL 300+ Igniton modules, ie one per coil... ----------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 12-11-2006, 05:11 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Berrel IAC Dunno what IAC comes with it, but I swap over to a 95 S/C Bonneville IAC, to get a Pintle more in line with the shape of the TR version. Been running one on my GN since they first came out without a hitch. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-11-2006, 07:49 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by More_Boost!! I like that a lot, What did you have to do to use this?? just a harness mod? Swap to the 95 IAC, and it's just plug and play. All the IAC stuff in the chip is just fine (well at least for me). The 95 Pintle looks really similiar in shape to the TR one. The harness adapter shown comes with it. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-12-2006, 05:04 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by ou812 What difference sdo you have using the IAC from the Bonneville? Can this be purchased at any local auto parts? The IAC counts fall into line. There are many versions of GM IAC. Some use a narrow pintle, some are wide, some have dual tapers. The one supplied has an extremely blunt pintle, and each IAC count makes for a large airflow difference. With the aftermarket ecms, it really doesn't seem to be an issue from what I've heard. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-12-2006, 05:06 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by More_Boost!! I have to wonder if a 4" air intake pipe will fit The IAC clearance issue seems to vary some from car to car. With a 1/2" upper plenum spacer I have a lot of room in that area. On my GN have a short 3" piece of tubing and then a 3->4" step hose to bolt it all together. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-10-2006, 05:46 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by blupuick While I was on leave in Cleveland I got a call and was told that the Air Force is going to give me a Medical Discharge. I will find out more tomorrow when I go in for my breifing. I am recieving a severance pay, not sure if I am getting any kind of disability yet. I believe I will only have about 40 days to pack my **** and go. I am hoping to make it to the next meeting in PA. The disability will be determined by the VA. Be very leery, and ask a lot of questions. No one is going to be looking out for your best interests, other then you. If this is service connected, or serice aggravated, get copies of every document you can. The VA isn't very careful with maintaining the intergriy of your 201 File. If you can't support your end of things, they're not going to do it for you. Again, get copies of everything that you can!. --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-08-2006, 05:15 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by v8killr4u Well Im new to FAST and tuning actuall its not even in my car yet, just sitting at the house. My question is how many FAST/SpeedPRO users are running a 93 Octane tune. Any issues with running a Pump gas tune? What kind of timing are you guys running and how much boost. I just want safe timing and safe boost levels. I'll create a race tune for 110 later, but for now i just need a 93 Tune. Am i asking for trouble at this point in the game with my combo and should just run 110 or 93 and alchy, but its 93 for right now. How many of you guys are running pump gas safely You need, an EGT guage, a WB, and brush up on plug reading. Engine tunes vary, and being too conservative can be just as dangerous as being to aggressive. Did you ask your vendor for a start-up program?. 21d, and 14 PSI would be a safe starting point. Oh, and get a notebook, and learn to take good notes. Developing a log, and then being able to look for trends is priceless. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ---------------------------- I go under the knife tomarrow A.M. for right shoulder surgery. They have to burn the scar tissue out and repair the rotator cuff "flap". This will be surgey #7 for my shoulders Hopefully, it will be the LAST! I have had bi-lateral 1st rib resection, and AC joint on both shoulders and AC and rotator cuff repair on my right side, and AC again on the right side. I also just had (7 months ago) lower back surgery and THAT is still killin' me. They just changed my meds to percocet for my back and I have to see another surgeon, as the original back surgeon has had his license suspended because he was NOT a surgeon! (I did check to make SURE that the orthopedic surgeon for tomarrow's procedure IS, in fact, board certified!) I'll have to re-learn to type with just my left hand, and forgive me if I start spoutin' off too much over the next couple of weeks.........it's the pain meds doin' the thinkin'! So, I'll probably come up with some GREAT ideas for twin turboing the lawn mower! __________________ All it takes is time, fabrication, a willingness to live in the garage, have a TIG, chop saw, MIG, angle grinder, mandrel bends, beer, aluminum, hose/fittings, electrical wire/connectors, Vodka, plasma cuttter, complete tool set, tube benders/flaring tools, Rum, tap&die set, gloves,vicodin, Neosporin and an understanding wife. turbofabricator is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-10-2006, 10:09 PM #2 (permalink) Steve Wood No Kool Aid for me! Steve Wood's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 32,665 Good Luck! I know you will be happy when it is all finished. Steve Wood is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-10-2006, 10:10 PM #3 (permalink) forzfed Registered User forzfed's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Winterpeg Posts: 4,695 Hope you have a speedy recovery! forzfed is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-10-2006, 10:13 PM #4 (permalink) 84BuickGNYorkPA 84 GN 87 motor/tranny 84BuickGNYorkPA's Avatar Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: York PA Posts: 746 Good Luck, although I don't know you, we are all Buick Brothers! I had a high diving accident this summer and dislocated my shoulder, that was the "Mother of all pain", lucky for me I didn't need surgery... Keep us posted when you feel up to it. Chuck __________________ SM2.1,knckalarm,boost,temp,oil,XD-16 A/F gages,LC-1 wideband,RJC(FMIC,plenum plate,oil filter-adapter), "F" body Auto Zone Aluiminum Radiator, Gbody parts dual fans, 2 trannycoolers &shiftkit,security collar,SS fuel lines, TTchip,Razor's Alky, 50#PTE Inj.,PTE-44,port/polished hds. 208/208 cam,3"SS HyeTech DP w/38mm tial external waste gate,inside controller,3" dual,9.5 Vigilante LU, UMI uppers/lowers,HR sway bar, S-10 wheel cylinders/soft shoes,line lock,Nitto radials 12.09 @ 109.26 MAGNA 84BuickGNYorkPA is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-10-2006, 10:27 PM #5 (permalink) 1NASTY69Z Registered User 1NASTY69Z's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Pa. Posts: 660 I feel for ya!!!Its been one year now since my shoulder surgery.Mine was Dec. 9, 2005. I torn the Labrum in mine doing military press's at the gym.It sucked,worst damn pain after surgery.I was popping 2 perc's at a time.He had to go though my rotator cuff to repair what I ripped off the bone.It still has aches and pains today.But as time goes on its getting better.Finally back in the gym also.I dont ever want to go though that again!! 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Watch out for Gene .... he has NO sympathy. __________________ "If you blindly follow your leaders,sooner or later they will lead you down the wrong road" - Yao Min ZMaS The Radius Kid is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-11-2006, 04:50 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator This will be surgey #7 for my shoulders I also just had (7 months ago) lower back surgery and THAT is still killin' me. Gads, what was the origin of all the damage?. Hope all goes well for you.. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-11-2006, 05:01 PM #8 (permalink) Just a Six?? Beachbum Lives Here!! Just a Six??'s Avatar Join Date: May 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,758 Good Luck to you! Dont get to used to the pills as they can be hard to get off of after a long period! I'm sure you will do well! __________________ 87 LTD. Purchased May 88 Doeskin leather, coach lites, moonroof & carpeted trunk. No Factory Hood Ornament! Special order by the VP of GM Canada! Just a Six?? is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-12-2006, 07:28 AM #9 (permalink) BigMike Don't Piss Me Off BigMike's Avatar Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ont. Canada Posts: 1,607 Quote: Originally Posted by 1NASTY69Z I feel for ya!!!Its been one year now since my shoulder surgery.Mine was Dec. 9, 2005. I torn the Labrum in mine doing military press's at the gym.It sucked,worst damn pain after surgery.I was popping 2 perc's at a time.He had to go though my rotator cuff to repair what I ripped off the bone.It still has aches and pains today.But as time goes on its getting better.Finally back in the gym also.I dont ever want to go though that again!! GOOD LUCK!!!! Mine too. I just had MRI and ultra sound and X rays two weeks ago. Waiting to see what going to happen. Hurt it June 26 in the gym. BigMike is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-12-2006, 02:51 PM #10 (permalink) turbofabricator TIG maniac turbofabricator's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle area Posts: 955 The cause of the injury is 25+ years of overhead and repetitive use. 20+ years of aircraft riveting, and 20 years of BEATING my kids to with-in an inch of their life (the last part's NOT true, I don't think I have had to spank my kids but maybe 19 years ) I went through it yesterday, and they had too REALLY burn alot of scar tissue out and shave the AC joint down again (the bone kinda grew back). It was DEFINATELY the most painfull proceedure thus far. They had to keep pumping narcotics into me and they just weren't working It's under control now (finally) But there is a ton of leakage from a pain-pump and the irrigation they used yesterday. Thought I was a "BLEEDER" for a few hours, but the nurse said the massive leakage was problby from the irrigant. (saline solution). Over all I feel pretty good so far. The doc said that I had an AMAZING amount of scar tissue, and no wonder I was in such pain for the last 2-3 years! __________________ All it takes is time, fabrication, a willingness to live in the garage, have a TIG, chop saw, MIG, angle grinder, mandrel bends, beer, aluminum, hose/fittings, electrical wire/connectors, Vodka, plasma cuttter, complete tool set, tube benders/flaring tools, Rum, tap&die set, gloves,vicodin, Neosporin and an understanding wife. turbofabricator is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-12-2006, 03:29 PM #11 (permalink) More_Boost!! Caution may contain nuts More_Boost!!'s Avatar Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Another Damn Canadian Posts: 1,747 I feel your Pain, I had My Knee joint Shaved smooth again in July and here I sit today still unable to work and still trying to manage the pain.. swelling is very hard to control as well... I wish you a speedy recovery. My recovery was supposed to be 6 weeks __________________ 1987 GN a bit faster than Stock. **winner of the 2007 JCC C0CkFight** More_Boost!! is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-13-2006, 12:02 AM #12 (permalink) The Radius Kid Registered User The Radius Kid's Avatar Join Date: May 2001 Location: Stoney Creek,Ontario,Canada Posts: 8,607 Cool Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator The cause of the injury is 25+ years of overhead and repetitive use. 20+ years of aircraft riveting, and 20 years of BEATING my kids to with-in an inch of their life (the last part's NOT true, I don't think I have had to spank my kids but maybe 19 years ) I went through it yesterday, and they had too REALLY burn alot of scar tissue out and shave the AC joint down again (the bone kinda grew back). It was DEFINATELY the most painfull proceedure thus far. They had to keep pumping narcotics into me and they just weren't working It's under control now (finally) But there is a ton of leakage from a pain-pump and the irrigation they used yesterday. Thought I was a "BLEEDER" for a few hours, but the nurse said the massive leakage was problby from the irrigant. (saline solution). Over all I feel pretty good so far. The doc said that I had an AMAZING amount of scar tissue, and no wonder I was in such pain for the last 2-3 years! Developed a "tolerance" to narcotics over the years,did we? __________________ "If you blindly follow your leaders,sooner or later they will lead you down the wrong road" - Yao Min ZMaS The Radius Kid is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-13-2006, 12:22 AM #13 (permalink) Steve Wood No Kool Aid for me! Steve Wood's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: East of Eden, Texas Posts: 32,665 My neighbor, who is only 41, had his hip replaced two weeks ago. He is doing well, but, I guess I won't be able to con him into standing in front of a cornered billy goat anymore...amazing what a good doctor and modern technology can repair these days. Sure glad to hear you are on the mend. Steve Wood is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-13-2006, 01:33 AM #14 (permalink) GNVYUS 1 Registered User GNVYUS 1's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IL Posts: 449 Good luck tomorrow, sounds like you used to play offensive line for 15 years. __________________ Mike 87GN T-Top down 414lbs. 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I told the Dr.s that in Aug, before they put a chest tube in.... They gave me Morphine, and then couldn't figure out why I was in so much pain....... Having them insert 2' of tubing into your chest, with no pain killers was almost as bad as waking up during a suregery..... If you want to talk about shear pain, waking up while they're pulling a lung out, has gotta be one of the most painful things going...... ------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-13-2006, 03:20 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut Couple Questions: What are you using for an ECU? You going to be burning chips for it or some sort of aftermarket setup? You have the maf mounted directly in front of the throttle body also correct? Is there a write-up on how to do this, and how much change in the tune does it require? Where are you getting your vacuum for the fuel pressure regulator? I'm running my own GM based ecm. It's a 12227148 like all the 86-87s used but it's been rewired internally. I now have total control over the code, and while mostly GM based, it's got a bunch of my own routines in it, ie a true launch mode, passive traction control, Alky on/off auto select for fuel and timing, yada, yada. I normally run a Prominator, where I can run 1 of 8 chips at a time, for developement work, and then burn a chip for running around on. I did the relocated MAF when I was still using a stock ecm. I'd also used a Turbolink boost sensing harness, and then used what was the old MAT fueling and timing changes that were based on MAT, with corrections based on MAP. Just doing the relocated MAF **usually** didn't mean any chip corrections. Cars are just too unpredictible to say *never*, IMO. I have several hole tapped into the side of the plenum, one is for the F/P reference line. I should have some more pics of all this in a day or 2. I have the ecm and all the EFI related wiring on the floor wiring it up currently. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut Couple Questions: What are you using for an ECU? You going to be burning chips for it or some sort of aftermarket setup? You have the maf mounted directly in front of the throttle body also correct? Is there a write-up on how to do this, and how much change in the tune does it require? Where are you getting your vacuum for the fuel pressure regulator? I'm running my own GM based ecm. It's a 12227148 like all the 86-87s used but it's been rewired internally. I now have total control over the code, and while mostly GM based, it's got a bunch of my own routines in it, ie a true launch mode, passive traction control, Alky on/off auto select for fuel and timing, yada, yada. I normally run a Prominator, where I can run 1 of 8 chips at a time, for developement work, and then burn a chip for running around on. I did the relocated MAF when I was still using a stock ecm. I'd also used a Turbolink boost sensing harness, and then used what was the old MAT fueling and timing changes that were based on MAT, with corrections based on MAP. Just doing the relocated MAF **usually** didn't mean any chip corrections. Cars are just too unpredictible to say *never*, IMO. I have several hole tapped into the side of the plenum, one is for the F/P reference line. I should have some more pics of all this in a day or 2. I have the ecm and all the EFI related wiring on the floor wiring it up currently. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-13-2006, 04:31 PM #8 (permalink) 87bigcut Free Door Removal 87bigcut's Avatar Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Port Crane, NY Posts: 1,286 Send a message via AIM to 87bigcut Thats awesome, Not sure I understand enough about code and such to do any modifications to chips yet. Maybe my future programming classes will fix that . Where did you learn about the code/programming? I took a microprocessors class and know a little about the 8085, 6800 and a little about some others. Joe __________________ 87 Cutlass powered by Mods: THDP, Dual 3", Erson 214/214, TE44, 60# mototrons, SMC Alky, Innovate LC1, Ported heads and intake by VPE, Wiseco Pistons, RJC Girdle, Ported TB, Powerstroke IC, HRParts Swaybar, Hoosier 28x10.5 with rolled quarters (no notch), no front swaybar, stock MAF, and some other small stuff. Best time so far on 16 psi and drag radials: Reaction: .5671 60 ft: 2.1157 330 ft: 5.6408 1/8 ET: 8.4698 1/8 MPH: 87.22 Last edited by 87bigcut : 12-13-2006 at 04:42 PM. 87bigcut is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-13-2006, 06:15 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut Thats awesome, Not sure I understand enough about code and such to do any modifications to chips yet. Maybe my future programming classes will fix that Where did you learn about the code/programming? I took a microprocessors class and know a little about the 8085, 6800 and a little about some others. Joe It's a 68HC11, and uses assembly language. I only have a token understanding of programming, but have a friend that's really into it. In looking at some hacs that have been on the net, I've come to a bit of an understanding about what and how GM does various things. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-14-2006, 05:11 PM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut I still have all my stuff on assembly language. Where can you find out the addresses for certain functions? Joe There's a hac of the prom at http://www.gnttype.org/ it called Prom secrets or something like that. The *problem* with the TR *chip* is that it only has about a 1/3 of the program on it. The rest in ROM on the PCB. That's why mine had to be rewired, with that done, I can put all the code on a single chip. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-14-2006, 05:19 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by JohnLarkin I have missed something. What kind of vehicle is that you are putting the engine in? I see louvers on the firewall. **edit, I figured it out. Did not realize you were building a hybrid** There not louvers, just *ribbing*. Host vehicle was an 84 Mustang. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-14-2006, 05:21 PM #15 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Bruce, that connector really looks like a nice idea. That will make it plum near a plug and play swap. The whole car is being designed for easy access, and easy R+R of components. The Pan, heads, engine, engine/tranny, can all be removed with a min of work. Just getting too old to like having to *work* to work on cars. __________________ -------------------------------- Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-13-2006, 03:38 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by CallMeMud Got awfully quite after the news was released that he died. Think he is dead or what? I thought by now he would have refuted the statements with a video or had his talking mouthpiece do it for him but neither has said or done a darn thing. Maybe we are real close to getting them both Just really strange how it is this quite! IMO, he's just figured out, that in order to stay alive, he has to be quiet. The Media has done an excellent job of giving away many of the tricks folks have been using trying to locate him. He didn't get that rich, by being stupid. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-11-2006, 05:42 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by DrTurbonicus "The Evening Standard also understands that US secret services have a number of secret files on Diana and her closest associates that are held by the national security agency" ------------------------------------------------------------------ So because he was President at the time, he's guilty?. I didn't care for Clinton as President, or what he stood for, but, IMO it takes some evidence to start accusing him of something illegal. While he's responsible for much of what goes on under his watch, he's only one man. Not to mention that without names, times, and places so far there's alot of speculation about who was doing what as far as spying on her went. While some conspiracies can be true, not all of them are. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-11-2006, 07:55 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by DrTurbonicus Sure...that's how the "game" of "GOTCHA" works in today's world. One can elect what games he participates in. Just because some people play that game doesn't mean it's the way to go. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-11-2006, 08:00 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog you can hate clinton all you like. I liked him, but if he spyied on americans without a warrant, he did it illegally. Ya, all he did was finance the NK Nuke program, let Somalia turn into a nightmare, let a Naval War Ship be attacked without any response. Not to mention his lying to the American People. He had no conscience, and his morality or lack of it, showed. And you like him?.............. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-12-2006, 04:52 PM #18 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog None of those things are true, but don't let that get in the way. Republicans would rather have a man in the Whitehouse that they like who gets zero results than a guy in the Whitehouse who they don't like but gets the job done. LMAO, I don't know what your problem(s) are, but obviously your off in some sort of altered *reality*. Clinton's forgien policy was about dipolmacy via foreign aid checks. He hadn't a clue about the function or how to use the military, so again just didn't know what to do, when to do it, or why to use it. The Media got the Libs going )oh the poor Somalians*, and then in a half arsed manuever got a few good men killed for nothing, and withdrew. He was a fricking embaressment. Got what job done?, making a mockery of the US?. That's all he did, from Somalia, to the Cole, he was clueless. Not to mention letting OBL walk away from being taken care of. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-12-2006, 09:34 PM #26 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog I'm not the one who keeps starting anti-democrat threads. You can criticize Clinton's policy all you want, but you have to have some balls to promote this policy over his. His got some results. This current policy is the greatest disaster in history. The greatest country ever on earth, completley failed and bankrupted by an incompetent child-president So you want some sort of Medal for that?. If you want to donate money to the North Koreans, please be my guest, but don't say it's a good idea. Letting 7 US Sailors die for absolutely no reason, and not taking any meaningfull action, is the work of a coward, plain and simple. And just think the Demos couldn't come up with a better candidate the that coward Kerry. It's laughable that so many people were duped by his PR machine that the election was anything but a landslide. Not to mention his tactic of just hiding his records. What a piece of work he is. Bad mouths US Vets 30 years ago, and then again this year tries the same dumb arsed comment, and when it backfires this time, it tries to claim it was a joke. Not to mention his before I was against the war, I was for it. Once again feel free to read up on Kerry, and we'll talk about his nonsense. Other then staining ML's dress, and being convicted for lying to Americans, I fail to see what Clinton accomplished. Cheated on his wife, lies, a foreign policy of check writting, wow..... And you want to call President Bush a *Child President*?. Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog I'm not the one who keeps starting anti-democrat threads. You can criticize Clinton's policy all you want, but you have to have some balls to promote this policy over his. His got some results. This current policy is the greatest disaster in history. The greatest country ever on earth, completley failed and bankrupted by an incompetent child-president So you want some sort of Medal for that?. If you want to donate money to the North Koreans, please be my guest, but don't say it's a good idea. Letting 7 US Sailors die for absolutely no reason, and not taking any meaningfull action, is the work of a coward, plain and simple. And just think the Demos couldn't come up with a better candidate the that coward Kerry. It's laughable that so many people were duped by his PR machine that the election was anything but a landslide. Not to mention his tactic of just hiding his records. What a piece of work he is. Bad mouths US Vets 30 years ago, and then again this year tries the same dumb arsed comment, and when it backfires this time, it tries to claim it was a joke. Not to mention his before I was against the war, I was for it. Once again feel free to read up on Kerry, and we'll talk about his nonsense. Other then staining ML's dress, and being convicted for lying to Americans, I fail to see what Clinton accomplished. Cheated on his wife, lies, a foreign policy of check writting, wow..... And you want to call President Bush a *Child President*?. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-13-2006, 11:14 AM #27 (permalink) Gothmog Lieutenant of Morgul Gothmog's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Dumbar WV Posts: 4,616 Quote: Originally Posted by Doc1of7 If you want to donate money to the North Koreans, please be my guest, but don't say it's a good idea. *?. Its called diplomacy. But in the republican world of black and white, Bush just antagonizes foreign nations for no reason, then tells them what he wants them to do, and if they don't comply he bombs them. Sounds like a child to me...sounds like a big baby. Quote: Originally Posted by Doc1of7 And just think the Demos couldn't come up with a better candidate the that coward Kerry. It's laughable that so many people were duped by his PR machine that the election was anything but a landslide. .*?. Yes I too am surprised how many people were duped by the PR..of the swift boat liars.....All you republicans are pro military until the swift boat liars came out with a stories that contradicted the NAVY, so you believed the swift boat liars over the Navy...good for you. I still believe the Navy Quote: Originally Posted by Doc1of7 Other then staining ML's dress, and being convicted for lying to Americans, do some homework and then tell me again what he was convicted of and by whom. If you don't like Clinton-fine, but at least get the facts straight Clinton BTW said he didnt act on the Cole because the CIA didnt confirm who was responsible until after the election. That's his story, and I believe it. Where'd you get your version? Rush Limbaugh? __________________ Dave 87 GN T-Top 87 GN Astroroof w/Digital Dash 90 P/U 03 Mazda MPV 80 Regal Turbo-STOLEN. 4K473AH108541 Gothmog is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-13-2006, 03:01 PM #28 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog 1) But in the republican world of black and white, Bush just antagonizes foreign nations for no reason, then tells them what he wants them to do, and if they don't comply he bombs them. Sounds like a child to me...sounds like a big baby. 2) Yes I too am surprised how many people were duped by the PR..of the swift boat liars.....All you republicans are pro military until the swift boat liars came out with a stories that contradicted the NAVY, so you believed the swift boat liars over the Navy...good for you. I still believe the Navy 3) do some homework and then tell me again what he was convicted of and by whom. If you don't like Clinton-fine, but at least get the facts straight 4) Clinton BTW said he didnt act on the Cole because the CIA didnt confirm who was responsible until after the election. That's his story, and I believe it. Where'd you get your version? Rush Limbaugh? 1) Again, try reading the resolution for war so you don't look so poorly informed. Childish, hmm, like someone that's never experienced something acting like he knows it all?, like your constant idiocy you post about the military?. 2) Again, not having been in the service it's only normal that you again don't have a clue about what you're talking about. Try reading up on how Military Action Reports are filed. Not to mention Kerry's rewritting of his medal citations. Again please read up on some of the topics your reply to so you don't look to be so clueless. BTW, have you been to Nam?, have you got any clue about how secure of area CRB is?, I have, and I was there within days of when Kerry got one of his Purple Hearts. CRB was about as secure as any airport in the States, they were using civilian aircraft for troop movements. Another clue, is that the last Purple Hearts awarded in CRB was 4 years earlier to a couple nurses that were hurt in a mortar attack. Further clues could be found in his bio., where he admits CRB was more or less a tropical resort. Thanks again, for allowing me to try and cure some of your cluelessness. 3) Why should I bother to look stuff up for you, I've repeatedly asked you to go clue gathering, and to date, you still post the same idiocy time after time. 4) Dugh, close the port for other ships, and you send in investigators. If the locals don't like it, hold them as conspiritors. You do SOMETHING other then sit around ordering Tomahawks to destroy fertilizer plants. Speaking of poor intel., have you forgotten about that nonsense?. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-14-2006, 05:05 PM #33 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog 1) Oh no, I can't see anything now that my lack of military service has been exposed. I thought I saw a military disaster in Iraq, but now that I know that I wasn't in the army, I can now rest assured that I was wrong.Whew, that was a close one. 2) Again, The NAVY gave Kerry purple hearts, and I havent seen any non-partisan source telling me that he tricked the govt into giving them to him--- Oh no- I forgot, I never was in the army so I'm not allowed to comment-Whoops! 3) I know the facts 4) At least he tried something I'm going to put myself in your shoes for a second, and you finish my sentence. Bill Clinton sucked, he shot tomahawks into tents and missed OBL, then when OBL attacked the Cole, Clinton did nothing to retaliate, so when Bush came into office he immediatly corrected Clinton's F'ups by__________________ 1) Spoken like the clueless. You;ve fallen for the Media take on it, hook line and sinker. If a war can't be done and mopped up like in a video game, then we've lost. Are things not going well, yes, could have things been done differently, yes. Hindsight is great way to be a genius.... And please try looking at what you've written, and when I've tried to explain to you, how your lack of having been in the military makes you look so poorly informed. It's laugh how you can't even hold a conversation without misstating things. You lack of having served, is usually shown when you try to infer that you have the right idea about how the military works. Like you talk about Kerry's medals, do you even know the process for filing for a medal?. How about looking that up before you get all righteous about his medals. BTW, how about how his story has changed about who's medals he threw over the fence?, or ar those lies just something else you ignore?. How about explaining the Bronze Star he got, please let's hear your take on that.... 2) LMAO, your still dealing with ignorance, try reading his bio., and you'd have a clue about the Purple Hearts, with his own words. His original paperwork was disapproved several times, and it was only after being transferred that a new commande finally approved the one. In other words his whining got him the one PH. Not to mentin HIS authorized stories are pure laughter. Again, get a clue so you don't look so poorly informed. 3) BS, you're clueless, and constantly exibit that, see item #2. 4) Who Kerry?. LMAO, you really should read his bio....... LMAO, you have enough trouble with your own statements, worry about trying to get them right once in a while. Again, reading can be your friend, and can get you out of posting idiocy, if you spend the time to get some facts. Again, read his own bio, for some of the facts. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Old 12-14-2006, 06:49 PM #35 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog I love how sure of yourself you are and how sure that I'm wrong and clueless just cause I don't agree with you. See?, you don't have a clue about what you're even repling too. It's not about agreeing with me, it's about your tactic of avoiding the facts, or not having done the research to even comment intelligently on some items. Again, start off with the reading the resolution for war, and Kerry's Bio, then you can comment with facts in hand, rather then with mindlessly replying. PLEASE, just get informed!. Not to mention your *trying* to misrepresent what I've said. It's really laughable how you want to mis-infer what I've said, in order to look *right*. BTW, it's really funny how you've fallen for the Kerry PR machine. BTWII, what do you call his disreguard for his medals, by throwing them over the fence?. Seems like they really didn't mean much to him. Silver Star for courage, and he dumps it. Yep, must have been really meaningful for him.. (well depending on who's metals they really were, the story has varied on that, over the years). BTWIII, why has he taken so much time and effort to have his medal citations rewritten?. Please lets hear you answers on these... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-14-2006, 08:38 PM #37 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Okay, we get it. You hate Kerry. BFD. I don't hate him, what's wrong with that? He got some medals for being wounded in combat. good. He's braver than some who avoided service. Good for him. He served. Its not enough for me to change my mind on the merits of his awards because some Bushies made some tv commericials blasting him. It looks to me like you went over Kerry's record with a fine tooth comb looking for reasons to hate him, yet you accept the Bush record without question-huge gaps and all. If you look at the comparison objectively it looks like this: Swiftboats call Kerry a liar Kerry says he isnt vs. Media says Bush never reported for service in Alabama Bush=no answer at least in my case I I admit I believe one side of the story and reject the other. They dont even give you a story and you believe it. Again, your assumptions just show how clueless you are. Where did I say I hate Kerry?. If you refuse to read up on the issue, don't (falsely) accuse others of being hate motivated for reading up, and getting the actual facts. Again, you're looking at the only what the Kerry PR machine wants you to. He served, a min amount, then lied about what others were doing. He's still hiding his DD214. If you want to believe a known liar, fine, but, that's a character fault on your part. Again, stop trying to infer things that weren't said, geesh your almost as bad as those you defend with lies and half truths. Let's see where I've ignored Any of President Bush's *gaps* in service. A link to the where I said that is the only acceptible answer, otherwise you've fallen into the liar's catagory. BTW, nice attempt at spin since we were talking about Kerry. How about if you stick to one issue at a time, till we get though that?. LMAO, you have no facts, and no experience to talk about many of the items you reply to. So let's hear your spin about how important Kerry thought his medals were, that he threw them over the fence.... Ya, the Swift Boat Men, that pulled their full tours, and got their Honorable Discharges, are all lying, while Kerry hides his DD214, ya it's a conspiracy, LMAO. Geesh, get a clue. Here's another clue, the Media has alledged alot of things about alot of people believing anything the media says without furhte investigation is only the practice of a fool, or someone just too lazy to get informed. And, here's another clue, I'm not a Bush Lover, and I don't agree with everything he's done. BTW, he did serve, and if you would bother to look at the dates, he was in after Kerry, and during the shutting down of the war. Not to mention he piloted a plane that wasn't used in Nam. And as I recall his DD214 has been made a matter of public record, and it doesn't reflect any military legal action for desertion, or being AWOL. How, who's fallen for the media's spin on Bush's Record?. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-14-2006, 08:39 PM #38 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Doc1of7 BTWIII, why has he taken so much time and effort to have his medal citations rewritten?. Please lets hear you answers on these... Still awaiting a response...... ------------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-13-2006, 06:29 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by norbs Guys i just picked up one of these filters from purepower. This iwill outflow and out filter anything else on the market and it good to 1000 psi, never needs replacing just wash out with soap and water. There is no drain back valve though, i am using a turbo saver it should be fine. Heres the info. Everytime I click on that URL, my computer resets..... Anyway, how does it deal with acids?. The *normal* filters use a paper media that asborbs, and/or is sacrificed to the acids to *contain* them. OK, got to read the article. $200 for an oil filter?. http://www.gopurepower.com/site/article/?ID=24 Still no answer on even their web site on the acid issue.... Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-13-2006, 06:56 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by norbs I've blown up many oil filters from not flowing enough oil on a cold start, even the baldwin filters, as i refuse to use the factory bypass which opens at 7 psi BTW. Not sure on the acid control, but i would be more worried about the paper particles that break off on a standard oil filter and go through the engine. I found it on ebay for $140, so it was not too bad. What weight oil have you been running, and how do you know they aren't passing enough oil when cold. The paper elements have been in use for well over 50 years. BTW, it's not notebook paper, it's a special formulation. Not to mention they go through a controlled kiln process. All in all a well refined, and developed system, after all these years. BTW, the reason (at least as far as I know) the Oberg filters never really sold well, for street cars, was because they had no way of dealing with acids. $140, buys alot of new filters, that are always being removed along with their acid contamination. __________________ Old 12-13-2006, 07:52 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by lazaris How much acid do they actually hold? Enough to min. bearing piting. If you look at the bearing out of a poorly maintained engine, you can see how dramatic the piting can be. Old 12-14-2006, 06:39 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by norbs 1) If you change the oil oftern enough you won't have to worry about acid contamination. 2) The fact is the factory bypass opens at 7 psi and lets the dirty oil into the bearings, when cold. 3) That is why my bypass is blocked, and the power source book mentions how to block it, becuase it is a safety feature to prevent paper oil filters from blowing up internall on a cold start. 4) This filter flows 5 times more than a paper element and actually traps 90%more dirt than a conventiional filter. Tested to 1000 psi burst pressure, you just can't go wrong. 1) Is daily often enough?. 2) Dirty as in hasn't been though the filter since the last time the engine was run. How much contamination do you think occurs with the engine off?. 3) Seems like it makes an oil filter more likely to blow up, if it shunts oil past the filter. 4) Are you stating that as fact, or just repeating what they've said?. Got a independent lab report to support that?. Nic an O-Ring on assembly and there's no guarantee it'll take 1,000 PSI, so there is still a possibility for failure. I fail to see what makes it *The only and best filter to use on a Buick*. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-14-2006, 08:15 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by norbs Heres the report from Sema, not from a purepower website! SAE Testing at Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio, TX proves that Pure Power! Lifetime Oil Filter Systems® has the highest Flow Rate (20 GPM) and the highest Burst Rate (1,000 psi) of any oil filter ever tested at that facility. SwRI is used by all major O.E.M.s and is considered to be the premier independent testing facility in the world. In SAE particle testing at SwRI Pure Power! Lifetime Oil Filter Systems® tested 90% improvement over THROW AWAY oil filters. In field testing by Mack Truck and the U.S. Postal Service, Pure Power! Lifetime Oil Filter Systems® proved to be 60% more efficient than other cleanable oil filters systems at removing the particles most harmful to the engine. So it'll flow at least 2x the max oil that it needs to. Has a 500 PSI greater burst strenght, than others. And a 60% more efficient than other CLEANABLE Oil Filters. **Odd wording, no?**. BTW, in reference to you cold start prob, have you noted that the Power Book also says to crank the engine with the ignition OFF, before attempting to start it?. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-14-2006, 09:05 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by lazaris How much acid does it actually hold? They don't actually *hold* any. The paper element is designed to absorb/ be sacrified to the acid. Years ago, when manufacturers used to send actual engineers out to some of the big meets, they were able to spend the time to explain minor issues in detail. It was at OCIR, where I talked to a FRAM engineer, and had a real long talk about filtering. Also during *CARB WEEK* at Indy in 70, I got talk with a couple oil guys. also got to see a number of Indy engines being built and what actually got put into the crankcase. FWIW, most any filtering media is going to have fine, and large opening to trap particles. The smaller openings are going to plug up first with material, and then level the rest of the small particles to circulate. One of the best answers to that is just using a conventional filter, that has the largest amount of filtering media in it. One of the long chevy truck filters of a premium brand is going to have all the area needed, and fine enough capturing for most any engine. Just as a FWIW, most of the GM ecm stuff, has a delay in the fueling for starting to allow for oil pressure to build before injecting any fuel. Dunno about the aftermarket stuff, but that just might be what the real problem is for some guys. The only way to make sure without reverse engineering the code is to do as the Power Book suggests, and crank with the ignition off, before starting. A Pre-oiling Tank, is another answer. Personally, I took the code route, and use the Inj PW cranking corrections that GM used. For those interested here's what I often run, during the winter or when there's a long sitting period between when the car is used. For the first 8 ignition pulses there is no fueling. *-------------------------------------------------- * F65A TABLE * CRANK FUEL PW MULTIPLIER VS REFERENCE PULSES * TABLE VALUE = MULTIPLIER * 256 *-------------------------------------------------- F65A FCB 0 ; 0 FCB 0 ; 8 FCB 192 ; 16 FCB 197 ; 24 FCB 192 ; 32 FCB 140 ; 40 FCB 104 ; 48 FCB 88 ; 56 FCB 60 ; 64 FCB 60 ; 72 FCB 60 ; 80 FCB 60 ; 88 FCB 60 ; 96 FCB 60 ; 104 FCB 60 ; 112 FCB 60 ; 120 FCB 60 ; 128 __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-14-2006, 09:32 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by norbs How much does the acid does the element absorb 1%? Do you have facts on this? Lets see the study? This is getting interesting now. Like I said it was during a conversation. BTW, how come no response to the Cleanable Filter claim?. Won't you agree that is an odd way of stating things?. While it doesn't directly answer your question, here's a link about oil analysis, and that it is enough of a problem that commercial fleets (amonst others) monitor it continually. This shows that even with proper oil change intervals, and proper filtering, it is in fact an issue. # Total base number generally indicates the acid-neutralizing capacity still in the lubricant. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/whatisoilanalysis.htm __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-16-2006, 10:50 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by norbs The issue is here that the oil filter media inside is falling apart putting chunks through the engine, since i have the bypass blocked. Where was that brought up?. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-16-2006, 10:57 PM #18 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Item 1: Any oil analysis test (at least the ones I've seen) lists the acid content of the sample. If acid content wasn't an issue, they wouldn't bother testing for it. The *normal* way to overcome high acid readings is with more frequent oil changes. No oil is going to have enough neutralizers to last forever. Now, if you think about filters that have a longer then normal service life, *part* of that *might* be due to the filters longer lasting ability to absorb acids. Item 2: If you read the Power Book they specifically mention some of the items mentioned here. Cold start scuffing?, crank the engine with the ignition off, until you have oil pressure. Proper filtration, 2 conventional oil filters (HP2 or HP4) or one serviceable one. Proper oil temp, 170dF to 270dF, and the engine should see 160dF oil temp., as a min. Blowing filters apart?, change oil viscosity. Again, these items are from the Power Book. Iem 3: There's no claims about what the filtering is like after a couple dozen cleanings. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-17-2006, 12:59 PM #21 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by norbs Well, the oil filter is not going to prevent scuffing on a cold start, read this article and your opinions on acid may change. filter study Geesh, are you even reading my replies?...... Cranking to develope oil presssure with the ignition off, is the answer. Ya, notice how they didn't test for acid. BTW, while your worring about that bypass valve, take a gander of the relief valve in the System 1 filter. That's a funny report, notice how they totally ignored the problem of the wash water, and soap. Have you read up on how much oil it takes to poison a drinking water well?. The wash/ rinse water is enough to poison a well, rather quickly. Unless, I missed one all the lab reports said all resulted in 5-15 micron debris. BTW, you might also reread what I've been saying and look for where I said the replacibles were bad, *I didn't*. I just don't see where they're the best out there. The System1's with their relief valves, still allow unfiltered oil into the engine. And please read this closely, these filters do have their own bypass valve. Seems like there's no industry standard of wheither to call them bypass or relief valves. Either way, with really cold oil, oil will bypass the filtering media. http://www.gopurepower.com/site/prod...ets/filter.pdf __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-17-2006, 07:07 PM #24 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by norbs I will bet you $100 i can blow up any paper element filter within one minute on a cold start with 20/50 oil. How about with following the Power Books recommendations?. Just how cold of start are you talking about?. Might be time to think of another weight of oil. By *blow up* are you talking about collapsing the inner pleats, or seperating the shell from the base of the filter?. __________________ ------------------------------------ LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 12-17-2006, 06:37 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Oil Filtering I've been reading, rereading about oil filtering and came across this article. http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Filters.html Also, in the Power Book, 1) they specifically mention maintaining oil temps., between 170dF, and 270dF. 2) using Fram HP2 or HP4 filters. 3) not *winging* the engine with an oil temp of less then 160dF 4) use a dual filter arrangement. 5) Plugging the oil pump bypass 6) they mention the lack of antiscuffing additives as being a problem with syn oils. Just thought it might be a good idea to have the data all in one place. Looks like I'll be revisiting what I'd been planning to do on the New Car. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-17-2006, 08:24 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by TRFanatic What is the best for this?? Floor Sweep, Kitty Litter, crushed seashells. Muriatic acid, if looking for perfect. Texture of the concrete pays a big role in what'll work. Might consider a epoxy floor paint coating, they're a lot easier to clean up.. --------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-29-2006, 09:32 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbomonte2 After installing alky, I plan to run boost at 23-24psi max. Will I have BIG issues with my 2-bar sensor--or need I go to 3-bar?? TIA for inputs, According to your sign., you're running a TurboTweak chip, which I understand to be a MAF based system. If that's the case, then your MAP is only used for the boost indicator lights, and has nothing to do with the engine management. Edit: Ya, is it progressive?. If not, then all you're looking to do, is find a trigger point, and a 2 bar would work for that. If you're going to run that much boost, I'd recommend you run a decent boost guage, as well as a Scanmaster, WB, EGT.... __________________ ----------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-17-2006, 01:12 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 The gummit (US or Canada) gets it's powers from the people. As long as the poorly informed, greedy, self centered, and thought challenged continue to vote for power mongers, the more powers they'll steal from the individuals. It's to the stage that in the US it's the lack of voting that gets some bills passed, Congressional pay raises seem to be the crux of that one. That way the politicians can say they didn't vote for their last pay raise. And to think some people actually buy that idiocy. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-17-2006, 04:03 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Radius Kid So the elected reps down there admit to not doing their jobs of representing their voters wishes? Which begs the next question:How and why are the voters not being informed until it's to late? Of course, they won't admit to that. Just look at *who* of those that get nominated (for federal offices), and constantly reelected. People fall for the hype, and PR. Without mentioning any names, a Senator who doesn't have good enough *sense* to report his involvement in a drowning, constantly gets reelected. One gets his military enlistment contract rewritten to shorten his committment. One shots a unarmed, fleeing enemy. One goes on a secret mission into Cambodia, and is later found out the story was pure BS from the get go. Congreemen that do nothing for their entire careers, and for some reason constantly get reelected. People want to just ignore how a *man* has proven himself to be. For many they consider themselves to be *informed* since they listen to the news. Not to mention the Media, and their phoney claims. IMO, people need to spend a lil less time on the net/ TV, and a lil more time with books. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------ Quick reply to this message Old 12-13-2006, 03:35 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by DrTurbonicus Is there a "better" coilpack ----(type I)---- than the GM unit to be found from the aftermarket? What's y-o-u-r choice? I like the Quick Start modification. There are a couple threads here covering it. Then I run one ACCEL 300+ ignition module per coil (Type II coils are used with the Quick Start). MSD makes an adapter for intercepting the power/ point signal leads for both the TypeI and TypeII coils. FWIW, I;m not impressed with any of the MSD CD stuff. Not to mention the poor track record of the early DIS/4 or whatever they called their CD setup for the TRs. __________________ --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-19-2006, 05:08 PM #15 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by wmsonta You can not count on others and most do not know themselves. Yep. It's amazing how many people rarely go further then the front door for the majority of their lives. While some see it as sort of, or completely crazy, I have enjoyed some of the crazy things I've done, as well as having spent some time in true solitude. Pushing your personal limits, and spending time in self discovery, can be a very worthwhile occurance. It's really a laugh, how some around here, can claim to know what motivates another, or alledge knowing more then who they're commenting on without really knowing them. I wonder how many people have really taken the time to even try to understand themselves?. I don't understand the mountain climbing thing, but won't say they shouldn't have. For the same reasons they went climbing there are those that would want to rescue them. The difference being is those rescuing them, understand they must not put themselves in peril, so that they can accomplish saving another (well usually). __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". -------------------------- Old 12-19-2006, 07:01 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Unleaded, but not about gasoline I've been trying to find some *good* solder + flux lately, with 0 success. Tried www.partsexpress.com and they had everything I needed (ie Kester brand solder and rosin paste flux). I don't know if this is just an OH issue, or what, but if you need anything related to solder, go to their site, and then click tools. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-19-2006, 08:20 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by plumber Not sure if you want lead in the solder or not. The plumbing industry has mandated lead free solder and water soluble flux for plumbing systems. Makes it hard to find old school solder and flux which works much better in joining copper tube. May not help, but your dose of useless info for the day any way. For electrical work I want lead. Plumbing allows the use of A LOT more heat then available with a soldering gun, so you can *risk* working with a higher melting point solder. With electrical work, you don't want the solder to wick up the wire for 2" on each side of the joint, with plumbing it doesn't matter. Yes, you shouldn't be eating leaded paint chips... --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-19-2006, 04:47 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Buick Runner Well my Dad keeps on bitching at me about the Regal saying all the money I put into it I could have gotten two new cars (yeah right). So far what I have done to it is, new end links, new weatherstriping on the driver's side door other door only has new roof rail seal, rebuilt eQ-jet, 4bbl oem manifold and gasket, crome air cleaner, put in the 4 missing body bushings. Ripped out the carpet and fixed a nasty body leak, cleaned up minor surface rust under the carpet. Changed the spark plugs, PCV valve, Cap, Rotor, plug wires, purge valve, oil, oil filter with larger size filter, air filter. I do not think all that would pay for two new cars unless they where really crapy POS cars. I don't let him get to me but its still annoying. He's just wishing you had a *better* car. Lots of parents don't understand the passion a guy can have for a car. He just sees it differently then you do. Maybe mentioning it's better drugs would work, if not, don't let a car get between you and he. It's just a car, and he is your dad. I went through the same thing with my dad, eventually he just let go of his position, but it took years... __________________ -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-19-2006, 05:22 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by GBodyGMachine Just wondering the best place to buy drop spindles, and what brand. I need something strong. What are you trying to do?. The problem with the dropped spindles, at the stock ride height is that they have a miserable camber curve. The first order of business to get a G-Body to handle is to lower the front end so the ;ower A-Arm is parallel to the ground. Next, is to get enough static caster, which means double adj upper A-Arms. Then if that's not low enough, try the dropped spindles but you might wind up too low then. The better answer, IMO, is using coil overs. IMO, after trying many setups, is what I have now. QA1 front coil overs, double adj upper A-Arms, stock front swaybar. 12" LS1 rotors and calipers. 6d caster, and -3/4d camber, and a 1/16" toe in. YMMV Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-19-2006, 07:47 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by GBodyGMachine I will have the QA1 setup, with tubular lowers, double adj uppers, and tall howe ball joints. But how much did that lower the front end? The coil overs have an adj lower spring perch so you can lower the front any amount you want. Thou, you might have to trim the springs. With the big brakes I have to run rather stiff springs to keep the front end off the ground when stopping hard, so I used the BBC springs, and cut them down. When dropping the front be sure that you don't wind up with the suspension stops bottoming out. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-20-2006, 04:55 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by BoostedBimmer Doc1of7, I thought the whole purpose of the front drop spindles are to keep the same exact suspension geometry, but lower. I didnt think that adding the sprindles would have any effect at all on camber... It does, keep the same geometry, trouble is, the stock stuff stinks. The tires actually go positive camber when turning, and you want them to go negative. Also have some additional caster due to the wheels turning with hight caster also helps cornering. Changing the spindles doesn't alter anything from stock, camber wise. I don't see where that I said it did. Also, with higher rate front springs, there is less suspension travel, and the bump steer error is less pronounced. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-20-2006, 07:47 PM #18 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by BoostedBimmer Hmm, so if I get stiffer springs and better shocks, then it looks like it be ride fine. Will putting the 1 in. eibach springs along with the drop spindles be too low up front?? Improved, yes. But, you can go to too high of spring rate, and too stiff of shock. Cut down 1LE springs from a 3rd Gen F-Body can be a good choice, but they're the practical limit for the street, IMO. If you're running a conventional type shock up front, then Bilsteins are the answer. There are others, such as the KGBs, but they're just too stiff, IMO. Depends on your roads, and what you're looking for. I've used both, and while really looks good, mine didn't actually handle that well. A lot of what handles well, is in the mind of the driver. Oh, and 1" can vary by car to some degree. ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-20-2006, 06:02 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Black Car Casper is reading directly from the knock sensor itself. Believe it. It will show knock, both real and false in real time. Do you hear the rattling of your engine? If so, then it was real knock. The scanmaster is reading through the ALDL port from the computer which is about 1.5 seconds behind real time. Knock only occurs within a given frequency range, reading the signal pre knock sensor is just reading any noise. So you *may* see some noises that aren't actually knock. If anyone hears knock, it can mean the ecm's not able to take enough timing out (usually set at 12d in the chip). Or, that the knock system is malfunctioning. The sampling rate is ~1.5 seconds. Worst case, you'll see a 1.5 sec delay. One of the neat things about data logging off the ecm's circuit board is that you're seeing what the ecm is actually doing and when it's doing it. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-11-2006, 08:15 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by GBodyGMachine I am currently building a pro touring regal(84). I was just wondering if there were any on this forum. Specs: ls7 6-speed 18x9 and 18x10 Boze wheels QA1 Coilovers front and rear All Tubular Suspension. Should be rolling by spring. If you have a corner carving buick, with big wheels, big power, and big brakes post some pics Jeff 275/40x17s in back 245/40x17s up front QA1's front and rear. Minitubbed GW tubular rear lower arms Poly/Heim All Poly Body Bushing, and missine ones added. Back seat braces. Double adj front upper A-Arms LS1 Front and rear 12 discs Braided SS Brake lines Manual Brakes 206 hydr roller cam TA-62 Cotton F/M Alkycontrol custom brewed igntion Completely recoded stock ecm (converted from MAF to MAP) Poston Headers ATR Single Shot exhaust DIY-WB, EGT, Boost Guage Scanmaster RJC Pullies 200A Alt Champion Alt/ PS Mount Lear Sigler Seats A million other smaller details. OK not a million but a lot...... Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-12-2006, 04:44 PM #20 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Stuie Mine is neither, mine is called "SELF EXPRESSION" So is mine. I like a car that does all things well. As it sits, right now, I can drive it anywhere, and have fun driving it. From the open areas of N. IL, to the Blue Ridge Highway. It accelerates, stops and turns, better then it did when it was new, and better then most any other car out there. Ya, there are some exotics that cost a lot more that can do things a little better on the right day, but mine can go anywhere, anytime, at any speed I want to go at. All I have to be willing to do it risk the fines to loosen the leash and have **FUN**........ BTW, just having the normal amount of dust and grim on the road will prevent most exotics from really flexing their muscles, as well as the mags advertise. Finding the Porsche (late model Carrera) with German plates on it, after a US Gran Prix (in Indy), was well worth every penny I ever spent on it..... __________________ --------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-20-2006, 11:28 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by DrTurbonicus Berger, who pleaded guilty to unlawfully removing and retaining classified documents, was fined $50,000, ordered to perform 100 hours of community service and was barred from access to classified material for three years. Wow, barred for 3 years. That in a nutshell shows how judges view items of national security. The judge as well as Berger should get time in jail, IMO, for their lack of understanding what the meaning of classified means. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-21-2006, 08:08 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog He admitted he inadvertently took documents. Maybe he took them on purpose, we'll never know.('cept you, you're always 100% sure of things) But after review of what he admitted he took, there is nothing there.. Here's a clue, accident or not, he took Topp Secret Documents. Got a clue about why there's such a thing as having a security clearance?. He's another clue, it means you're one of special few that has access to things that are secret and not to be revealed to anyone with a lesser clearnace, and some items are not to be repeated at all. Breaking that TRUST is a big deal, since it means you can't be trusted. To reinstate his clearance under any circumstances, IMO, is just as criminal as any act of illegally removing sensitive documents. But, again, I don't expect you to understand anything as serious as national security since you can't be bothered to even read up on someone you constantly support. ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-19-2006, 06:18 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by labontecsi I overheard that a car with shaved door handles won't pass tech, true or false? As you can see from my sig, my car doesn't meet any class requirements. But if shaving my handles will keep me off the track when I do have the opportunity to get on it, I'm not going to do it. If you were knocked out during a mishap, and for some reason there was an electrical problem, it would mean the rescuers would probably jaws the door, or have to bust the glass in on you. I like their looks, but, don't care for the downsides. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-22-2006, 07:50 AM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gdnf2et I realize that when seconds count, this will slow down rescuers..If you had door handles and your doors were locked, they would bust the glass anyway.. You lock your doors at the track while running?. I'd revisit that idea. __________________ ------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-24-2006, 05:20 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by JohnLarkin 84 LeSabre, 307 V8 I guess, carbed. It has a check engine light on. Code is 21,21,21,24,24,24,21,21,21. I guess the 21 is the system default like turbo car is 12. So I what I would like to know is what a 24 code is for that vehicle? I replaced the battery this morning; he said the light comes on but you can restart and it usually goes off. I did not notice any unusual smell from exhaust or idle problems. No, the no reference signal code is still a *12*. Try taking them again, it'd mean your 24 is then a 42. The CCC carb codes run along the lines of the EFI, as far as 44-45-13, VSS etc.. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-24-2006, 03:36 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by DrTurbonicus By KASIE HUNT The Associated Press The unpopular war in Iraq, where more than 2,950 American troops have already died, complicates the task of finding more recruits and retaining current troops _ to meet its recruitment goals in recent years, the Army has accepted recruits with lower aptitude test scores. Can someone PM Kasie Hunt with the following clue: *Min. Aptitude testing scores have routinely changed long before the Iraqii war*. BTW, it also just shows how poorly our educational system is doing. While some people just have problems with testing, all to often entire schools have troubles with students scoring well on the tests. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to thReply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-20-2006, 05:54 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 The type II coils are the only ones that got used on the S/C later 3800s, that's lead me to believe the energy level is sufficient to work in boosted motors. There are two different Type II ignition modules, the difference is one has a designated ground. FWIW, that's the only one I use. In best form the most plug gap I've successfully run with a Type I coil pack, at any serious boost level was .040". I'm rather fanatical about having enough spark, and fuel.... So, I started playing with the eDist. With it, I could clip the side electrode of the plug and 18-20 PSI boost. But, installing a plug with an .035" gap, it still took a lot of care plug, and tune wise to run ~26-28 PSI of boost. So, Went to the Quick Start Type II igniton set-up. It gets chilly here, and there are times where the car sits for weeks, and the batter gets kinda low. The Quick Start took car of ALL my starting *issues* (thou minor). But, I was back to having to run an .030" gap...... So, I went to running 3 ACCEL CD modules. One per coil.. Didn't have any ignition problems. But, Just for grins kept looking for, and bought 3 more ACCEL CD modules. Then after some more reading, saw where the GM TBI V8 coils were *slow saturation*. So bought 6 of them, and wired them up with the 6 ACCEL ignition boxes. While still firing the coils in a *DIS Mode* (two at a time). While there doesn't seem to be any *major* increase in power, I was able to lessen the AE, and with tuning run 87 Octane. I can also run an AFR down to about 18.5:1, trouble free. Thou, at that mixture the engine is rather lame. For the StageI engine that will be going in my Stang will have the Quick Start, and 3 ACCEL modules wired to 3 Type II coils. I don't know the *whys*, but there just seems to be some sort of ignition threshold at 4,500, and 5,000 RPM. You gotta have enough RESERVE Spark energy to reliably fire the plugs at those RPM, under boost. FWIW, with the 6 coil set-up, the spark is a VERY bright Blue at gaps of 1.25". With the non CD ignition systems a Volt Blaster, did seem to help, slightly. With enough spark, you can run less timing....... *Generally*, for every .005" increse in plug gap, *buys* you about 2d timing. I have yet to see any *punch through*, which according to Dr Jacobs, is when there is so much spark that it blows across the plug gap with such force that it doesn't properly generate a flame kernel... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote is message Old 12-25-2006, 09:31 AM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 There's always been an exemption for the disabled. The idea of everyone doing something thou, (obviously, within their ability to do so) is fine by me. While people talk the talk about the US being the best country in the world, it seems there are few that actually are willing to work at it. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post --------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 12-26-2006, 05:25 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 How wings work Just a FWIW, I just find it interesting, that in a century of flight such a basic is still open for lots of controversy. http://www.amasci.com/wing/airfoil.html __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-26-2006, 05:32 PM #2 (permalink) SurferX Not Toyota Certified SurferX's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: FL USA Posts: 386 I thought you were talking about these wings.. Spoilers & Car Wings Research Guide __________________ 87 TurboT 88 Jaguar XJS V12 2000 Tundra 94 Ford Aerostar AKA "Bangbus" SurferX's vBGarage http://www.myspace.com/xrefrus SurferX is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-26-2006, 05:37 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by SurferX I thought you were talking about these wings.. The principles still apply. You can use a wing for lift, or invert it for downforce (other than with a sym. airfoil which means just changing the angle of attack). __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-26-2006, 03:31 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 The only real way I've found to clean out the lines, is using an aersol solvent, and garage door steel cable. The door cable is about 1/4", and can be pushed thur the lines. What can happen is the ATF *cooks* in the hot regions of the lines, ie like near the exhuast, and that'll choke down the ID of the line. It'll work for quite a while with a *coked* line, but tranny life will always suffer. FWIW, Brake Clean dries with a less oily residue then other solvents, that I've tried. So a final *rinse* with it has been good enough. Just use the cable, and cleaner until the *drippings* are clear. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-22-2006, 06:06 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by DrTurbonicus Al Qaeda Sends a Message to Democrats Yep, not to mention the American People have proven Osama Bin Laden correct in everything he's said about not having the stomach for war. Yep, it's been sad watching so many turn gutless. If people didn't understand what the commitment meant for what the Resolution of War *could* mean, they should have asked guestions, or given it a Na vote. Instead we get to look like whimps on the world's stage. That'll play really well, in the long term. While not one for making predictions, taking a quick and easy *way out* of might get some troops home, in a long run it'll cost us dearly. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-22-2006, 08:55 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog But Bin Laden is only right that we have no stomach to fight someone else's war for them. Vietnam and Iraq. Ya, lots of people are willing to do a half arsed job, and turn tail. In both Nam, and Iraq is was politicians trying to run a war, from DC, and doing the popular things, rather then the right things. BTW, we did DS correctly, right up until we won. Then again managed to turn a win into a problem. BTW, we fought for Kuwait, and IMO did an excellent job of returning their land to them. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-22-2006, 09:07 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog and the difference is? Yup they wanted us. What was the last poll in Iraq? 72% want us out. Well I say "okay, you don't want our help, we're outta here" hey someone tell Bush that one...that way he can declare victory and pull out, and save face. everyone's happy. It's just amazing how short sighted you can be. Have you learned nothing?. We left Iraq before the job was done the first time, doing the same thing again, will just force us to deal with them again. You fall the media hype so easily...... Let me give a sample of how'd they ask the guestion for the poll. Do you like having a war fought in your country, or do you think the US should pull out?. Of course the answer is yes. Not to mention holding this *poll* within minutes of IED that killed dozens would influence the response. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-22-2006, 09:10 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Even Iran was helping us in Afghanistan. So I think we were halfway there toward changing the hearts and minds. You should do more reading about Iran's attitude towards the US. Long term they're not going to be our friends, unless they have a serious attitude change over there. Ya, all them Muslims were going to open their hearts, and allow the infidels in, sure....... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-23-2006, 12:45 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog That's your fear based conservative mind speaking. Liberals always believe in hope. I believe that fundamentally all people want the same thing. To be left alone and live a happy peaceful life. LMAO, fear based? who's the one that just talks about joining the military?. To be left alone, and live a happy and peaceful life, yet you're more then willing to let the Iraqiis resort to misery they've been suffering. Show me where conservatives have given up on *hope*, other wise your inference is no more then shear lunacy. If you have so much *hope* then why are you so quick to abandon the Iraqiis?, or is hope just a buzz word for you?. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-23-2006, 07:44 PM #19 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog If you remove religion look at how well we'd all get along. How many of these wars are religious based. Ya, without any moral compass, I'm sure things would be alot better, LOL. While some fault religion for the cause of so many evils, the lack might of it, just as well might have reduced our behavior to that of apes. There's no way to forecast, or state as fact what the lack of religion would have meant to our society. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-25-2006, 10:13 AM #28 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog That's how the right keeps their based riled up. They make up ridiculous scenarios about phantom threatening enemies to scare their flock, and it seems the more outrageous the lie, the easier it is for the sheep to swallow..Sad LMAO, ya the right, LMAO. Nothing like Jennings and his phoney *documents*. LMAO, LMAO Ya, who'd have thought a bunch of folks would climb into the cockpits of airliners and fly them into the Towers. Yep, complete fantasy.... Right up until it happened.... Yep, completely outrageous... When's your enlistment day?. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-25-2006, 01:51 PM #34 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog nobody knows waht the heck you're talking about Stick to speaking for yourself. Unless you've been elected or somehow empowered to speak for others, you can only speak for yourself. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-25-2006, 01:57 PM #35 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 86NYGN YES IRAN did help the US in Afghanistan.! Maybe you should do more reading! What about the recent elections in Iran, the ones where the current Presidents party got booted on the local levels???? Yes, the majority of Iranian people want to emulate America and if given the choice in the next elections they will. As you said,"YOU SHOULD DO MORE READING"( with comprehension if you can) and you might actually LEARN something. Once again you blather about something you have ZERO knowledge of. Just because you have a few here that agree with your opinions does not mean that you even remotely have any idea of what you are yammering about. Yep, again your the one that's short on facts. Yep, we supported Iran, the problem lies with the fact that when the war ended the Iranians were expecting us to continue to support them (ie help them build an infrastructure), much like we did with Japan and Germany after WWII. *They* felt that they were cheated.... Yep, reading never hurts..... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-25-2006, 02:01 PM #36 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Like I said...the right riles up the base(you) to think that there is this menace(liberalism) that out to get them. They make up ideas and agendas for this made up menace and get all you guys crazy fighting a enemy that isnt even there. Now try it again, with some specific(s). __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 12-25-2006, 09:52 PM #41 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog What war ended. I hope you don't mean the war in Afghanistan. In Iraq. We're there now at the invitation of the Iraqiis. If they were to ask us to leave tomorrow, it'd happen. If we walk away from Iraq, without finishing the job (bringing enough stability to their country), it'll just be a matter of time before we're over there again. Please read up on what happened in Asia, when we left Nam, and you'll see how history will again repeat itself. BTW, we're not having a WAR with Afganistan. While there are troops there as part of the War on Terrorism, we're not at War with Afganistan. Leaving them now, would again, generate the same attitude the Iranians have toward us. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-26-2006, 05:17 PM #44 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 86NYGN What in the hell are you talking about?????? I am speaking of the CURRENT war in Afghanistan. You know the country that Bin Laden was in when the 9/11 attacks occured. I said that Iran supported AMERICA in the CURRENT war. James Baker and his group ,Colin Powell and the Pentagon have all stated that Iran was helping the US in the war in Afghanistan. Again, comprehension is important in reading. Here's a few links about where Iran has commited to helping Afghanistan, and talked about helpinng us, but, I've yet to see where they've helped *US* in the war. Got any links to support your claim that Iran is supporting the *US* in Afghanistan? again, *US*, in the war in Afghanistan. Here's a few from a quick search using Google, about what's been said, and what's been done. http://www.iranmania.com/news/Articl...urrent+Affairs http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...198857,00.html some what related, http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1215/p01s03-wome.html http://www.payvand.com/news/05/dec/1216.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-w...e_b_36708.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1817141.stm http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line...4175144305.htm http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeeho... ut_some_deals __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ----------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-28-2006, 04:05 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by DrTurbonicus FROM IRAQ: A MARINE?S NOTES They are inflicting casualties at a rate of 20-1 and then see **** like "Are we losing in Iraq" on TV and the print media. For the most part, they are satisfied with their equipment, food and leadership. Bottom line though, and they all say this, is that there are not enough guys there to drive the final stake through the heart of the insurgency, primarily because there aren't enough troops in-theater to shut down the borders with Iran and Syria. The Iranians and the Syrians just can't stand the thought of Iraq being an American ally . Posted at 11:54 AM NATIONAL REVIEW---All Rights Reserved =============================================== An eye witness account, OK, it all seems to make sense, and again shows how the Media, is leading the charge to lose the war. It's just so easy to capitalize on cowardice, and cover it up with fake *concern*. I'm saddened by how may *men*, fail to answer the challenge of trying to make the world a better place. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ---------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-27-2006, 06:53 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Another Pathetic post from some ridiculous website. 'I don't get it, the line for Bill O'reilly autographs was so long.' and none for Kerry Boo-hoo. When you post this $hit trying desperatly to convince people that ALL the troops hate John Kerry. LMAO, it's funny how you so willing to call the Kettle blakc. There are alots of things you don't get. There's no need to convince those that have actually researched Kerry, he's a phoney and liar. Again, read his bio., and we can debate his issues, until then all you have to go on is some propaganda that you've read on the Net. Please get informed so we can discuss things, instead of you one sided views from the Kerry Supporters. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-27-2006, 07:30 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog hmm, no argument from you on how this is propaganda... Do you mean this comment?. *and I'm the one accused of the propaganda???? When you post this $hit trying desperatly to convince people that ALL the troops hate John Kerry.* Yep, that's propaganda with the way you used the word *ALL*. Of course, there are some mental cases, those that are ill informed, the military haters, (and probably a few other catagories) that just love him. Or do you mean *desperatly trying to convince people*?. Where is the desperation in any of this?. He just posted a link, and you're drawing conclusions based on nothing more then your feelings. The author wasn't perfectly objective, but so is?. *Another Pathetic post from some ridiculous website.* Which is so unlike most of your postings, where you don't refer to any URLs to support your position, or data. BTW, lets see a URL showing just how popular Kerry is with the troops, if you want to infer that ALL troops don't like Kerry. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-27-2006, 11:00 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Now you want me to post a website that debunks the lying website. I think that's backwards. In your world Bush is always right, the democrats are always wrong and John Kerry had 100% of the troops hating him...not 99.9%... 100%! You can believe this stuff, but don't expect normal people to fall for it. More exaggerations, and flat out lies, thanks for the laughs!. Show me once where I've said Bush is always right. Show me once where I've said Demos are always wrong. Where did ANY but you mention ALL, or now 100% of the troops?, your leaps to fantasies are just getting goofier, and goofier. *Normal*, would that be the sheep you've mentioned?. What's not to believe?, did you see any troops sitting at the table with him?. It looks like you're the one having trouble with reality. Like you so often point out, with President Bush, where's Kerry's denial of the picture not being accurate?. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post ----------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 12-27-2006, 10:52 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by chrisgarrett46 This bung was welded onto my downpipe when I bought the car. Do you think it will suffice for my lc1 wb sensor? I know it's kind of close to the turbo, but I thought it might be okay. Thanks Yes, but only if you like replacing them frequently. I have mine down behind where the cat used to be. So far in 30K miles it's been fine. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-27-2006, 11:04 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by chrisgarrett46 Where did you put the module? The wire isn't very long. I was using a LM-1, and it had a decent lenght'd wire. I shortly will have a grommet under the passenger seat with the wiring running through it. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-28-2006, 03:49 PM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Radius Kid I can't see why not. GM put the stock O2 in front of the turbo. A lot of guys with after market DFI's run theirs in that area. I ran a 4 wire GM up there. Maybe Bruce can explain his position on this? Wide Bands are a very precise piece of equipement. The are designed to operate within a very tight operating range. The NGK versions operate at 850dC, and the Bosch at 750dC, (C=**Centigrade**). Too hot and they cut out, too cold, and the blow up the controller. The controller uses a feedback system that allows the sensor to warm up as quick as possible, but, not so fast as to crack the porclean guts, due to thermal shocking of it. To be frank, if you have to add a heat sink, you've got it mounted in the wrong place, and it's too hot. While a heatsink cures the immediate problem of overheating, it slows the heating process. Slowing the heater allows deposits to accumlate, and keep it cooler while the engine is in warm up mode. If you mount it too far reward, like say at the tail pipes on a Impala SS, it's easy for the EB to sign on and off, due to the heater not being able to pass enough current to keep the sensor hot enough to run. Other then thread size, there's nothing in common between a stock GM O2 sensor, a WB. The reason a NGK is $160, and a Bosch $70, is consistancy. By example the multi thousand dollar Horiba AFR meters all use the NGK.. It's been considered the standard by which all other sensors are compared to. Each NGK sensor has it's own calibration resistor in it, to again, maintain a very close tolerance. None of this is to say the Bosch are bad, or not worth while, it's just they are a economic alternative. Oh, and mounting the sensors pre turbo introduces an error due to exhaust back pressure, to the tune of a full 1.0 AFR. The error is related to the amount of pressure, ie the greater the pressure the worse the error. Once you into the realm of *crossover* the error is min., but so rare as to almost be meaningless for a GN. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-28-2006, 03:55 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gbsean wide band sensors fail due to excessive heat and/or moisture therefore they need to be pointed down so any moisture that accumulates can drip off and need to be located in an area below a certain temperature range. They also fail from silicone poisoning, and particulate matter contamination (microscropic oil particles). At startup, even the best of engines will *plume* a little. While normal a huge percentage of it is moisture, oil that has drained down of the cylinder walls also gets blown out, and without the exhaust being hot enough to turn it into vapor, it maintains being just microscopic pieces of trash, that can *stick* to the actual sensor in a WB. If you want to see what hot is, hold your Honda WB with a pair of plies, and plug it in. After about 20-25 seconds look into the end of it, and you'll see the guts of it glowing a pretty bright orange. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-28-2006, 05:12 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by chrisgarrett46 Okay, I'm convinced. I'll mount it farther down the pipe. Just thought it would have been nice to use that bung. Maybe for a an egt prop? Now, for the EGT you want to get that as close to the exhaust ports as possible, the oem O2 bung is good place. Jason sells a little adapter doohicky that allows mounting an EGT probe into the O2 bung. First Law of Buicks, if it looks easy to do, you're doing it wrong __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-28-2006, 05:35 PM #19 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by chrisgarrett46 You mean you can disable the stock 02 sensor? I thought this was in reference to a running an aftermarket ecm, and closed loop, with a WB. No, you just can't remove/ ignore it, without making other changes. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote --------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-29-2006, 04:26 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by BoostedBimmer Ok, I get a code 44 on my scanmaster now (lean o2 sensor). Is it possible my o2 sensor went bad? I have been running the car with an open downpipe the last few days, and I also have a cracked driver side header which I will be installing a new exhaust and fixing the header soon. Is that why I got a code 44?? An exhaust leak allows fresh air to be sucked into the exhaust stream. There are high and low pressure *slugs* of exhaust going down the pipe, so while you hear the leak due to the high pressure slugs of air leaking out, fresh air is also being sucked into the low pressure areas. Once the ecm tries to richen things up as much as it can, and still sees the exhaust as being lean, it sets a code, allerting you that there is a problem. And yes, O2 sensors can go bad. So you might have 2 problems to cure, assuming everything else is fine. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------- Old 12-28-2006, 01:19 AM #1 (permalink) Buick Runner Hydra Station Supervisor Buick Runner's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dharma Station 1 of 7 The Hydra, MOAB proof Posts: 1,655 Best types of metering rods and hangers for N/As What do you think are the best type of secondary metering rods and hangers to use on a N/A eQ-jet 3.8L V6? I need to go check what type of rods I have but I know it has a 'I' type rod hanger. I have another Buick V6 eQjet that is junk but came with a 'E' hanger (which is bent ) but was wondering if either type is better? thanks __________________ Emperor of all Daleks. >:4 8 15 16 23 42 Execute. 108:00 Oceanic Airways Fight 815 Copyright 1980 the Dharma Initiative funded by the Alvar Hanso Foundation. Member of the Dharma Initiative 1987 Buick Regal Limited with Q-jet N/A V6 soon to be SBC V8 1946 Farmall model A NW says I am classless Beachbum is not on the list of good people.! Buick Runner is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-28-2006, 08:16 AM #2 (permalink) Freddie's Regal Deltona: Peace At Last... Freddie's Regal's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Deltona, Florida Posts: 438 Cool There's a list in the book Rochester Carbs of the lean and rich rods. I think 'CK' would be about the easiest ones to find since those are being sold by Edelbrock. You'd be lucky to find any thinner rods in a local boneyard. As for the hangers, same deal. I was lucky to find an 'H' hanger and that is what I have till this very day. __________________ I am also known as Freddie's Buick The boy's back in town...with V6 turtle power... Freddie's Regal is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-28-2006, 04:31 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 DRs, and CPs used to be pretty good. As far as hangers go, you need to make a jig up, to blueprint them, and develope a set of them. CPs used to be found in the 4.1 Buick CCC carbs, as I recall. But, it's all meaningless until you set the air valve to be adjustible, like Doug Roe talks about. All to often they opened them too far, and then choked back the airflow with the air filter's snorkeling. It takes alot of testing to make a CCC fast, sound, and the butt dyno aren't work the gas, for actual testing. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-28-2006, 07:12 PM #4 (permalink) Buick Runner Hydra Station Supervisor Buick Runner's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dharma Station 1 of 7 The Hydra, MOAB proof Posts: 1,655 So you are saying that the air vanes are set to open too much then? I do have a open air fliter on it now but I will also need to get a stock snorkel air cleaner just for the smog test then switch back to the open cleaner. __________________ Emperor of all Daleks. >:4 8 15 16 23 42 Execute. 108:00 Oceanic Airways Fight 815 Copyright 1980 the Dharma Initiative funded by the Alvar Hanso Foundation. Member of the Dharma Initiative 1987 Buick Regal Limited with Q-jet N/A V6 soon to be SBC V8 1946 Farmall model A NW says I am classless Beachbum is not on the list of good people.! Buick Runner is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-28-2006, 10:19 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Buick Runner So you are saying that the air vanes are set to open too much then? I do have a open air fliter on it now but I will also need to get a stock snorkel air cleaner just for the smog test then switch back to the open cleaner. Yes, they're set to open too much if you to an open air cleaner. The whole CCC setup is designed as a system, you rarely can make one item changes without having to follow through on what else needs changed in the system. ANy to say yourself a hundred gals of gas, you'll want to buy a WB, so you have some idea of where you are AFR wise, without doing a lot of plug cuts. -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-29-2006, 04:46 PM #20 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Kevin87TurboT Doc, You no longer have to calibrate the ECU for the WBO2. That was something that they changed when they developed the XFI. You've done wonders on your car with the factory computer, but I'd bet that you'd be like a kid in a candy store with the XFI. Kevin If they were ever to release the commented source code for it, I'd buy one. Other then that, I'm perfectly happy with what I have, since it is exactly what I want. I'm just curious how long it takes the aftermarket to catch up to what I already have. While some might see that as having an attitude, the truth is, they all are still leaving a fair bit of the *goodies* out. If they were to do all they could, they'd just be ruining the market for coming out with a new and improved *mouse trap*. Now, with that said, I have been, and continue to work on applying other ecms to the TR's. My posting about trying to locate 3800 S/C boards was in an effort to gather info., about another such WIP. And, like I said given the right circumstances, I'd buy one in a minute (eh, as fast as I could fund getting one). __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-29-2006, 04:49 PM #21 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 From what I've read, most if not all of your American made ecms, have had the *touch* of John Meaney, at some time or another. *We're* all in his debt to some degree, for what he's brought to the ecm world. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ---------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-29-2006, 04:37 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by DrTurbonicus George Bush is a hero to me because he has courage. The President does what he believes to be in the best interest of the United States. The most threatening thing in the world to a coward is someone with courage. That's why he's such a lighting rod, for critics. Look at who a majority of those that hate him are. __________________ _Saddam Hussein, 6 percent Proving that 25% of the American Public are complete idiots, not that it surprises me. Even though I despised Bill Clinton, and believe me, I did, I would never vote for him as a "villain" comparable to a despotic dictator. Just shows you how the weak-minded can be swayed by constant propaganda. No wonder people can't comprehend how to punch a hole in a card next to someones name when they vote. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/earthlingstastegood 13 14 16 18 20 22 Zap is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-29-2006, 07:56 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Zap Proving that 25% of the American Public are complete idiots, not that it surprises me. Actually, it proves 75% are... The articles of war were available for everyone to see, before being passed, by Congress. It's only in hindsight, and with short sightedness that the public has been swayed by propaganda, that somehow trying to make the world a better place, is somehow wrong. Read the Resolution of War, and tell me what was wrong with it's intent. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ----------------------- Old 12-27-2006, 07:03 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by DrTurbonicus In a detailed report last month, the New York-based Human Rights Watch condemned the verdict in Saddam's case as unsound, saying the court had been guilty of so many shortcomings that a fair trial was impossible. Amnesty International said the trial was flawed. It'd be nice if in protest, or to get even more publicity, they offered to be hung with him. Maybe they should visit the families of those he killed with all their good intentions..... ------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-02-2006, 10:46 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by FastRegalWE2 in the DP, about half way down, right by the A/C reciever/dryer From: http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/pdf/AFX...ual_REV_05.pdf And please note, this unit is made by the folks that make the sensor, there's no guessing involved, in what they say. Arrgh, it's .pdf, so I can't cut and paste all the details. Anyway, they mention 12 to 48" downstream... I have mine further way down by where the converter was, and it's been there for 10s of thousands of miles now. Also, they mention fouling a plug, and thermally shocking the sensor. The further down, the more likely the raw fuel will be vaporized, so that it doesn't shock the sensor. I know alot of guys mount them where you have, but I've also noticed some don't last too long there. The usual excuse is that they're running leaded so they just accept it as the cost of racing. They also mention a MAX EGT of 1,650dF......... As close as you are, you might be right on the ragged edge, EGT wise. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-03-2006, 09:34 AM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Razor My sensor is by my passenger valve cover/dryer area and never has had an issue. 5,000 miles.. Yet For some of us 5,000 miles is just a couple months driving. Yes, having a handle on EGTs is a great idea..... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-03-2006, 09:35 AM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by FastRegalWE2 I guess I need to fix the spark plug issue and the WB, add some more boost and timing, and throw some alky at it. Im really hoping to get another 100HP out of it. Like to see what it does with a locked TC too. I see your running a FAST, I'm guessing that means a Distributor. Are you running some sort of CD ignition with that?. You've probably heard, but dynos typically let you run a few more degrees then what you'll want to run at the track. A full pass down the track will put more heat into the engine then a dyno pull. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-04-2006, 07:38 PM #19 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by REDS HOT AIR its on stock ignition .. dont try this tune at home kids the wb died when I tried the alky .. it worked great till the alky was injected egt's stay in control if you dont have to lean it out to make power .. 10.5 a/f While kind of pricey, I've used one CD unit per coil. ie 3-MSD6 boxes. MSD makes a DIS coil adapter for being able to wire them in. FWIW, I'm running the Type II coils. Things generally work well, until they die Could be coincidence, could be too much initial Alky, could be a combo of an ignition miss, and alky. You can still run late enough timing, be rich, and have a high EGT. Not to mention retarded timing can lead to a slightly rich false reading. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-05-2006, 09:06 PM #31 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by FastRegalWE2 I have the 4L80E, now I need the supporting hardware. I've done some reprograming on a 4L60E, and an 80. I doubt you'll be disappointed. Given the right software, they're a joy to work with. In the 2 I've worked with they were run with oem ecms/pcms. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-30-2006, 03:18 PM #33 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by DrTurbonicus Alky-injection kills WB sensors? Darn near anything's posssible.... Sensor may have been on it's last leg to begin with. May have been still hot from heat soaking, and the sudden drop in temp., cause the proclean to crack. May have been some contributing fumes from some industrial contamination in the neighborhood. There are lots of reasons for a WB tod die, so you want to be sure you have your mounting as good as possible. FWIW, I've dropped some huge amounts of Alky/ gasoline/ other stuff, on mine, without a problem. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-31-2006, 12:55 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 1NASTY69Z wow,I could never afford one,but would love to have one . You know someone that has one? How much $$$ do they go for? I thought $59,000 was to cheap,maybe Im wrong.I wonder how hard its to get parts and find someone to work on it? Also to find someone to go over it and make sure that its safe.You would really have to trust someone that knows about them.It could have been mistreated and had poor maintance you never know.I wonder how many are up and flying in the U.S.??? And how the hell did it get over to the U.S.?? I would think that they are very strict rules about bringing something like that here. I want one!!! LOL He's got a Mig 17, 21, and LT-11. He bought them all *right*, and had the techs in his employ to completely refurbish them. They were taken apart to the care airframe, and rebuilt from scratch. Obsolete wat birds aren't too hard to find, ones that haven't been used for traininers are the ones you want. They come over in pieces via boat, as I understand the process. Learning to fly a single seater Fighter takes some real *brass ones*, IMO. One of his employees was a factory test pilot, and has a thousands of hours of seat time. So he had all 3 in perfect flying order. Was out there last week, and they'd just done a brake job on the LT-11, and he took it out, to *seat* the pads. Full burner, and full brakes.... We were within 50' of it with the burner lite, talk about a loud jet.... You can register almost anything now as an experimential. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-29-2006, 04:21 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Buick Runner So this has me thinking do I rub people the wrong way? do I offend anyone over here I don't think I do but? Life ain't about being in a popularity contest, unless you want it to be. Speak your mind, and speak the truth, and let the cards fall where they may. I gave up on the other two boards becuase of threats from the *management*, or they're biased behaviour. If *management* wants to condon idiocy, then you have the choice to participate, or leave em to their nonsense. ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-30-2006, 11:23 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by RocketMan83 S10 Front springs ~ 1" drop 639 lb/in 3rd Gen Trans am front swaybar Trans Am steering box 12:1 ratio KYB Gas Adjust Shocks New bushings A better setup is 3rd Gen 1LE front springs with a loop cut off. Start with 3/4, and then see if the lower A-Arm is parallel to the ground. Being parallel to the ground, is key. The stock front bar is all you need. Try to find a GN steering box. There is a difference in *feel*. Forget the KYBs. They're just too stiff in bump. Bilsteins are a much better riding shock, and offer better damping. *Bushings*?, yes you want to add all the missing body bushings, and rear seat braces. Quick reply to this message Old 12-31-2006, 12:12 AM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by RocketMan83 I wasn't sure what a 1LE was so I googled it.. 3rd Gen IROC? Theres 3rd gen T/A at a small local junk yard, do they have the same springs as the IROC? I also plan on taking the steering box, sway bar and rear springs if they will work out of that same car. My car has the base suspension, small front sway bar (.98") and no rear SB (not F41 or FE2) thats why I think I may as well go for the front TA sway bar. By bushings I meant any wore out/rotted suspension bushings. Yep, 3rd Gen.. The 1LE is a option code, you need to find the build list to see if the car was a 1LE. The 3rd Gens have a very light feel steering box, try finding a GN box, you'll be glas you did. Go one step atta time, on springs and swaybars. You can go too stiff on roll resistance. Too high of spring rate, and too much bar leaves you with a car that's very anstie feeling, and easlily loses traction, while some ways from the car's real limit. A 1G lat Acceleration G-Body takes alot of work. And some very respectible tires. Not to mention almost a dust free surface. If your serious about handling, then first look at getting some good suspension components, ie double adj upper A-Arms. The stock stuff runs out of adj., and/ or lots of shims to get even close to good alingment specs.. The is a good idea to run something like the Global West rear lower links, while poly is better then rubber, heim is really the answer for having a bind free rear suspension. The trick with suspension is running as soft as possible suspension that gets you your desired camber curves, and no excessive nose dive on heavy braking. Too stiff of suspension leaves the tires actually skipping across surface irregularities, rather then *sticking* to the track. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-31-2006, 11:27 AM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by RocketMan83 I am not trying to build a auto-x car or pull 1g, I just want it to handle the best it can with inexpensive parts. I think Im going to go with the cut 1LE springs like you suggested and a 1LE or G body "F41" sway bar (both 1.26") for the front. The rear however I am not quite sure what would be best. Im still thinking Wagon springs and swaybar or maybe a F41 .87" sway bar and springs. The only rear bar worth running is the HrPartsnStuff. The GM bar just binds the reay axle up so much that you might as well just weld it in place. You need to divource the roll bar from the locating links........ Big bars are from the days of 70-60 series tires. Once you get some decent springs in, there'll be a huge increase in roll resistance. Not to mention as I suggested, once you get the lower a-arm parellel to the ground, you'll start to have at least a camber curve going in the right direction. The other thing, is the stock frame is about as strong as a noodle for handing. Get a full set of poly body bushings in before you do anything. You can't get a car to handle if the frame is twisting. If you go to poly suspension bushings, take the time to set them up right. A suspension arm should *fall* under it's own weight when tightened. I have set to see an *as sold* bushing, clearanced correctly. You want the suspension to move freely, the springs to limit how much the tires move, and the shocks to dampen that movement. Bound up parts make for a poor handling car, that's a PITA to ride in. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-31-2006, 12:57 PM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by b4black The HnR bar doesn't qualify as "inexpensive" in my book. Ya, but it's the only rear bar, that actually works. Any of the bars that bolt directly onto the lower links, really bind up the rear suspension, during roll. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-31-2006, 09:16 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Buick Runner So with rear bars is it better to have no rear bar than to have a oem rear sway bar? Yep. Unless your only drive on perfectly smooth roads. __________________ ------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-19-2006, 05:14 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by V-6 Vegatex Code 41 You can throw some parts at trying to cure it, but, often it's a series of minor problems that *stack up* to cause setting the 41 code. It turns out the *error* factor is rather *slim* so it sets easily. Sometimes just reburning a given chip cures it. __________________ ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-30-2006, 03:01 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Orlando_87GN The coils never ohm out correctly anyway. I have a set of TypeII coils here that ran ok, but broke up at WOT. They ohmed out 'open', all three towers. That tells me that test is junk. The TypeII stuff doesn't work very well. I haven't had a problem with them, and all the newer S/C cars have them. Seems like the test was valid, the ohmed out bad, and in fact broke up. What's hard to do is detect a problem that happens at 30,000 volts with a meter that operates on 9 volts. Proper, and COMPLETE testing would be using a Primary side signal like a module generates, and trying to fire a plug in a high pressure environment. MSD sells such a unit, but be sure to be sitting down when you click on *buy me*. __________________ ---------------------------- Old 12-30-2006, 03:07 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Kevin87TurboT Thanks for the information. What other vehicles came with our Type I coil/ignition modules? It would be nice to have a couple of cheap spares to keep in the trunk. Any 86-87 FWD 3.8L car. N/A or T/C they're the same coils. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-30-2006, 03:09 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Kevin87TurboT Hey Guys, I'm not sure how I screwed up the conversion, but after installing the Type II Coil yesterday on my 87 T, the car won't start. It simply kicks back as if the firing order or timing were wrong. I installed the coils and module from a junkyard vehicle...maybe it's a bad module? I simply installed the plug wires in the order that's listed on the coils, is that correct? I even ran an additional ground wire from the rear of the coil bracket to the firewall, not because I thought it would fix my problem, but because I figured it wouldn't hurt anything. Any help is appreciated. Kevin Try removing the extra ground. If you have a weak *tower* near it, that might be your problem. If the donor car had been in an accident on it's last voyage, the impact may have killed something. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote -------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-02-2007, 06:48 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by GNVYUS 1 Manual brakes, you do like being the only one don't ya Bruce?? Not really, there's a number of them out there, just more often then not, they're racers, and things don't seem to translate to street cars (well to those that have made up their minds about pedal pressures). It's just such a better fewer items, to fail system, that IMO, more people ought to consider them. __________________ ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-02-2007, 06:36 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Some of the sensor safe RTVs, AREN'T!!. The Felpro stuff that comes with the gasket kits has been the only brand that I've had work ALL the time, without killing sensors. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-02-2007, 10:42 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 84BuickGNYorkPA I don't want to get off the subject but is the general agreement to mount the wide band O2 sensor bung in the engine compartment 12" from the turbo(which is almost impossible with the heater box in the way) or down before the cat converter at say the 3'oclock position standing in front of the car looking down toward the cat. converter? I would think that there is less condensation up closer to the motor then down by the cat. and it should be installed between the 10 oclock and 2 oclock position, which can be difficult with the floor board right there and that tail on the sensor.... but then there is the heat issue if it's to close to the turbo. I'm just wondering where most of you guys mounted yours and would you do it different if you where to do it again.. In both my truck and GN, I have them mounted behind where the cat would be. The truck has ~50K miles, and the GN ~30K miles mounted like that. The Gn also had lost a H/G in a dramatic fashion, and a 55 PPH injector was sticking *on*. The GN also has had a fair bit of alky pumped through it. And I was also doing some experimenting with DIY WB controllers. BTW, I've tried them in other locations, and run two at a time to compare results. 6 years, 2 vehicles, and lots of miles, seem to prove the back of cat location, is more then just good. __________________ -------------------------- Old 01-02-2007, 12:58 PM #1 (permalink) Just a Six?? Beachbum Lives Here!! Just a Six??'s Avatar Join Date: May 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,768 TPS Sensor?? Just called my GM dealer & there was only 1 left in Canada! Are they getting hard to find these days? __________________ 87 LTD. Purchased May 88 Doeskin leather, coach lites, moonroof & carpeted trunk. No Factory Hood Ornament! Special order by the VP of GM Canada! Just a Six?? is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-02-2007, 06:38 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Just a Six?? Just called my GM dealer & there was only 1 left in Canada! Are they getting hard to find these days? I bought 2 last month without issue. Seems like with all the cars using them, they wouldn't be as limited in production as say TR MAFs. There's a gaggle of FWD'ers out there that used them. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ---------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 01-03-2007, 09:14 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Sentence structure Why Sentence structure is so important... The boss had to fire somebody, and he narrowed it down to one of two People, Debra or Jack. It was an impossible decision because they were Both super workers. Rather than flip a coin, he decided he would fire The first one who used the water cooler the next morning. Debra came in the next morning with a horrible hangover after partying All night. She went to the cooler to take an aspirin. The boss Approached her and said: "Debra, I've never done this before but I have To lay you or Jack off." "Could you jack off?" she says. "I feel like $hit." ----------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-02-2007, 06:45 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by DrTurbonicus ?I fear there are two timelines out there,? General Conway told a meeting of about 2,500 troops. ?One is how long it?s going to take us to do the job. One is how long the country is going to allow us to do the job. And they?re not synching up.? It's a shame that so many people have fallen into *Nitendo Time*. Seems like the attention span of the average American can be measured with a Stop Watch, nowadays. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-04-2007, 09:43 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by TexasT Sadly this is nothing compared to the economic effects on our economy China and India will be able to inflict in the future if we let them. It's hard to imagine them not...... The praising of the all mighty dollar being all that's important, is a fools game. If you want to save every penny possible, don't be surprised when we don't have any decent jobs left in America. While people are willing to blame DC for the exporting of American jobs, the reality is, if we perfer to buy foreign manufactured goods, because they're cheap, then the consumer is at fault, not DC. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-07-2007, 01:16 AM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by tom h I already have the larger S10 rear brake cylinders on my 87 GN. If instead of 1 long & 1 short brake shoe, 2 longs are installed, -- will rear brakes be more prone to lock-up? OR -- will rears be more "grabby" upon initial braking , but NOT more prone to lock-up? OR -- more grabby AND more prone to lock-up? #3 Drum brakes have what's called a servo effect, meaning (in lay terms) that they generate more work for a given amount of pressure. With the rear shoes, it's a matter of them cocking ever so slightly, and wedging against the shoes against the drums all the tighter. If this is a drag only car, then just running the cheapest shoes will get you the lowest temp. high coeffient of material, at the expense of excessive brake fade. So they'll grip best for launching, and fade the most for stopping. And that'll be for any drum setup. The best answer is swapping to a good disc setup, FRONT, and REAR. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-07-2007, 09:53 AM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by stevemon Since the question was asked in regard to holding power at the strip I don't think Docs comment is relevent or accurate. I think everyone knows that if you drag, race, you should forget about going to disks. Drums will work much better. The only way to race with disks is to use a transbrake. There was no mention of strip, in th original posting. : dunno :, ?, then try asking a question. If you don't understand the self energizing or servo effect of drum brakes, then try reading up on the matter, at least that way you'll have a some real info. to start with, rather then just opinion. With a properly designed disc setup you can hold just as much boost at the line (if not more), then any drum setup. The key phrase is PROPERLY DESIGNED. You might pick up a copy of Dave Morgan's book Doorslammers if you doubt any of what I've said. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Old 01-07-2007, 10:45 AM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by stevemon Doc you are never satisfied until everyone else is on the same page as you are. Using the same combo. Suppose you post a list of Buick GN racers using your setup before you diss what's been tried and proven. BTW, why would someone install S-10 cyls if NOT for the dragstrip? Yep, : crazy : sure discribes your attitude. It'll be a few years before people catch up..... Lots of what gets done in the Hotrodding world is based on wife's tales, and data from the days of the flatheads. Running oem drums on the rear makes as much sense as running a carb.. Yep, can be done, by why not spend some extra bucks, and build a safe car?. BTW, if you'd have been paying attention over the years I've posted all sorts of data logs supporting what I've done. Try searching here, T6P, and TB, and get back with me about what I've posted/ done. BTW, got any data logs for how much boost you can hold at launch?. BTW II, are you running the dual long show setup?. How much fun is it in the rain?. How much fun are they in a panic stop?. FWIW, I've run about every rear shoe brand, and dual longs in the past, and can speak from experience that a well designed disc is better, how many different brands of rear shoes have you run?. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Old 01-07-2007, 11:09 AM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood yep, you can always let off the brakes..of course, in the rain, your rear end may be leading the parade. The rear end is more prone to lock up because you have upset the balance between front and rear brakes as engineered in at the factory. Your personal experiences may not have caught up with science, but, if everything is working as it should in the braking system...you may be closer to getting a science lesson than you realize... Yep. Yep. BTW, that's also why I'm a firm believer in the LS1 brake update, you get GMs latest and best brake system. Ya, science lessions can be so much fun.... LOL __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-07-2007, 11:14 AM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by stevemon The only way to race with disks is to use a transbrake. BTW, do you know how to use a transbrake?. Once you go to one of those, the rear brakes are only for stopping after a pass, so it doesn't matter what brakes you have as far as the launch goes, dual long shoes, stock shoes, discs, whatever......... BTW, if you don't know, just ask and I'll explain how Frank Hawley teaches folks to stage and launch a car (at his school). __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-07-2007, 12:21 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by tony moore how many people here drive thier tr's in the rain anyway? I'd guess about everyone has been caught in the rain at some time. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-07-2007, 12:38 PM #18 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by stevemon Doc, My track results speak loud enough to back up my words. This is my stock turbo GN lifting the LF tire. The 60 ft was 1.62 and would be better if I was making more than 400 RWHP. I can't give you the exact launch boost b/c the gauge needle is moving as the car begins moving. It's on 24 PSI about 3 ft off the line though. Data is OK for bench racers. Some people would rather do that than put their car on the strip. Bring your car to the track and do what I have done with the same combo and your words will have credence. Until then you're just an advocating what you THINK is best on the drag strip. Again, point out the Big Buick racers that use your combo. Excuse me for not being impressed. This thread is about rear brakes, your almost a wheelie isn't even remotely related to the original posting. What's your stopping distance from 80?. Why in the world would I want to copy your combo?. I'm much rather have a car that I like. Wide Bands, have become main stream since the DIY-WB project. A GN ecm conversion to MAP, is another item that *caught on* after I started playing with mine. Granted Bailey had played with it earlier, but gave up on it for a while. Then Steve with the MAPless ME, and Bob again started selling MAP based systems. The new RJC ignition came into being after I mentioned some of what I'd been doing. And the Locker's Data Logging was years ahead of all the others, now everyone's just catching up to what I was talking about 5 years ago. Oh, and blow thur MAFs.... OK, so let's hear about trends/ ideas, that people are following of your's..... While I don't advertise what I've run, because, years ago, I got tired of the numbers people tossed around. If you have any doubts about how my car runs, try asking around, Cal Hartline, Mick L., Jack Cotton, Steve H., how it runs. BTW, some people just don't want to install a cage on their street car, so they forgo taking their car to the strip. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". -------------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 01-03-2007, 09:25 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by teamgn87 I ve tried fuel pressures from 47#s down to 37#s with no change. The car runs fine at 25mph and above its just so slow at anything below that. Yikes, I hope you have a WB!....... I'd never drop the Fuel Pressure down that low...... While cars do vary, Eric's stuff is pretty close, unless you have something in your combo you didn't tell him about. I'd be looking at something mechanical. Has this combo ever worked correctly for you?. Are the injectors new, or known to be good?. Have you monitored the fuel pressure during a run?. As Steve mentioned converters can make all the difference. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-06-2007, 07:48 AM #39 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Sometimes, one gets what he pays for, I think. I was worried about shelling out the cash for buying a Yank, even after driving a car with one..... Turns out, other then I/C, and turbo, it's been the best money I've spent on the car. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." ------------------------------------- Old 01-08-2007, 03:14 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gbsean seeing as I am going with the MAFT Pro and a wide band 02 sensor..can I remove my stock O2 sensor...was thinking about putting an EGT in there... Jason sells an adapter to do that. JCR I've been running one for a couple years like that. __________________ --------------------------- Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-09-2007, 04:21 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Just a Six?? Why is the stock fuel sock rectangular while the one with the Walbro pumps are more square? They both work on a Walbro dont they? Cause, they're different. Probably a matter of just getting the cheapest to do the job. __________________ --------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 01-08-2007, 10:22 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 There is a God A United States Marine was attending some college courses between assignments. He had completed missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the courses had a professor who was an avowed atheist and a member of the ACLU. One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, "God, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes." The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by and the professor proclaimed, "Here I am God. I'm still waiting." It got down to the last couple of minutes when the Marine got out of his chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him knocking him off the platform. The professor was out cold. The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently. The other students were shocked, stunned, and sat there looking on in silence. The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the Marine and asked, "What the hell l is the matter with you? Why did you do that?" The Marine calmly replied, "God was too busy today protecting America's soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid **** and act like an *******. So, He sent me." __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Old 01-09-2007, 09:18 AM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Pssssssst, it's called humor. Without names, dates, and places, it's just a story. Kinda like the 6 o'clock news with it's anonomous sources, or someone close to the xyz, is quoted as saying.. --------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-12-2007, 12:18 AM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator And because of it 10 MILLION Cambodians DIED in the Killing Fields (That's 20% of thier ENTIRE population). The Media largely ignored it while it was happening. *Largely ignored*?, how about totally ignored?. Not to mention that when the issue comes up, the cowards of the era, get really quiet. And folks wonder why we have PR problems with other nations..... __________________ ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-12-2007, 03:36 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Quick Toy I'm looking to play catch up on some of my projects, and I need to find some left hand tap and dies. Anybody know of any local dealers/suppliers/ places where I can get these? I'm going to make some adjustable trailing link control arms for my 4 link rear end setup, so I can play with the preload and get the car to hook better, and to stop it from going squirrley and scaring the crap out of me :yikes: Just as a FWIW, some chassis shops sell weld-in pieces of tubing that are pre tapped, and some sell tubing (usually in 1" increments) that has the ends tapped. If there are any machine shops locally, might drop in and ask them where they buy their taps. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-04-2007, 06:10 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Low Budget ebaymotors/Intercooler-Buick-Grand-National I just bought an ebay Intercooler, and it was nothing but a hassle, and the product looks incredibly cheap. Since I'm running Alky, it's not a huge issue for me, but for an Intercooled engine only, I'd get one from one of the GN vendors. ------------------------------ Quick reply to this message Old 01-09-2007, 11:31 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by firebird_1252 i was just thinking about this. on a TE44 when/what is too much boost? my turbo with my motor should bring me to the mid 11's with ease. but how do you know when your maxing your turbo out? There comes a point that even with good EGTs, and reasonable AFRs, that when you turn the boost up, there's no increase in performance. Quick reply to this message Old 01-11-2007, 10:37 AM #24 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood As far as alky goes...you gonna get tired of getting hammered by guys running alky. And, I am not talking about grumpy. For anyone that drives their Regals frequently, alky is the only thing that makes sense. If you only drive it at the track, then race gas is an expensive option...but, you will probably still get hammered... Your current injectors have gone faster than mid 11s...but, that is really pushing them. I would say 11.7 is a safer number. , naa, forget the alky..... j/k I dunno, it seems the larger the injector I run the more responsive the car gets. I've played A LOT with the Acceleration Enrichment setting, and while I've even tuned to the about the same transistional AFRs there's just something *good* that goes on with bigger injectors. IMO, people get into mind sets about all that matters is WOT. I guess to some people that's all they care about, but a GN can be made to drive REALLY, REALLY, NICE. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-11-2007, 11:23 AM #26 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Should I upgrade my 75s? I was talking about his 38s, and going to 50s. Come to think of it, ya, go up another notch, and for the right price I'll buy the 75s..... __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-11-2007, 07:11 PM #29 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood as I am only running on pos 7 with mine...I think I still have some upside...but, 50's are passe...the 60's are a better choice imo... Yepp...... I've got 60's in the GN, and it looks like those will be what I run in the Stang Project. Well unless, you want to get off those 73's..... ------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-08-2007, 08:10 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Turbosixx The one he bought is new, I'm assuming it is for a TR. It should also be noted that his 02mv's are stuck at .933 and not moving. If it ain't a GM, toss it!........... There are a few guys that insist they haven't had any problems with some aftermarket ones, but all I've gotten is grief from them. Genuine GM, for a TPS in my book. __________________ -------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 01-13-2007, 06:59 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Zap For world's biggest wussie: He's from California...go figure Not to mention that the ACLU is primarily funded with our tax money. -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-13-2007, 06:56 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator Here's a pic of my new Gordon Setter pup (Lucy) with her first duck kill. This will probably be her only duck kill, as most setters don't like water. But I thought this was pretty funny looking. How morbid can you get?.... I hope no one forwards those pics to PETA. Setters don't like water?. It is funny. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-14-2007, 11:19 AM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator I had to stand there for about 15 minutes and watch the dumb ass swim around untill it was outta his sytem and we could resume hunting again. I sure miss that dog. That's funny, and then understandable. Having a pet with a personality is just so much fun, and company. ------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-14-2007, 11:09 AM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by firebird_1252 earl, i'm thinking the ecm got wet. it idled fine but when i hit thegas it didnt want to stay running just idled like a solid cam BBC. we did it with the motor out and everything exposed. i want to do a good seal around the whole heater box. i'm jus trying to think how i'm going to get to the bolts that are behind the head. i guess i should do the heater core while the top is open? If the guts to the ecm got wet, that's generally no biggy, since it's painted with a water resistant coating. The BAD thing is if water gets into the ecm connectors. If it has, blow out the harness connectors, and ecm ones. If you can sit the ecm in the sun, and let it get warm, for an afternoon that'll help. It doesn't take much water in the connectors to FUBAR things. And, if you don't get it completely dry, it'll come back to haunt you. Quick reply to this message Old 01-14-2007, 12:23 PM #15 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by firebird_1252 the heater core is not leaking... its the box itself. Be sure the windshield isn't the actual leak. Water will drip down and look like it's from the box, but in fact can be from much higher up. A trip to the car wash, and laying on my back while a friend hosed down the windshield was the only way I finally figured out a mystery leak once. __________________ -------------------------------- Old 01-14-2007, 09:01 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by b4black I haven't followed all the changes in lube oil, but I do know they went through some big changes recently. In Hemmings MuscleCar magazine, they recommended using diesel oil in gasoline engines. Since I have a diesel truck, I already have the oil in my garage. Anybody using diesel oil? Anybody know why it would be better than gasoline oils? The EPA has said some of the old oil additives are bad for cats, so they've been lowered. I've been using Shell Rotella for about a year now, without any bad side effects, in my SOHC 4 banger, 454 Truck, and GN. ----------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-15-2007, 01:36 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Juggernaut But I tried to put the new springs in yesterday when I did the shocks (rear) and the springs are so short they will fall out unless I lower the car on them. I cant imagine that being correct. If I did that they would fall out everytime I jacked the car up. Dat's it...... Any seriously lowering, and the rears can *fall* out. I went to coil-overs to get away from that problem. Kinda $$, but the springs aren't going to fall out, and I can set the ride height where ever I want. __________________ ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-15-2007, 10:45 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut Was reading a chassis design book and it says that a sheet metal shear plate can be used in the place of bracing to help strengthen a chassis in some situations. What do you guys think? Designing a shear plate involves a lil more then doing something that *looks* right. They can be extremely effective, but you have to have the *ribbing* done in a way that mins the flexing of the plate, if you want to do anything other then prevent shifting loads (ie 2 axis). If you look at a floor pan of any late model car, you can see how they try to deal with particular loads, in certain ways, all the while making it a big bracket. If you want to use a flat sheet for a shear plate as a rear seat brace, it'll hardly be worth the effort. You have to add some demension in a 3rd plane for it to resist all the buckling forces involved. It's really hard to beat tubing for structural work.. ---------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-16-2007, 05:41 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by jt-type powermaster http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/brakes/brakespage.html Bottom half of the page is the best diagnostics I know of for the PMs. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-16-2007, 05:33 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by MR Buick Benny Parsons lost his battle with lung cancer,he was 65. RIP Benny May you RIP Mr Parsons.... I really enjoyed listening to him call a race... __________________ -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-15-2007, 02:34 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by V-6 Vegatex No project is ever finished; you either keep modifying and upgrading it, sell it, or wreck it. I've done all three with my previous LT1 Vega Wagon project! But I'm going to call the web article on this car a finished product. Outstanding....... Just as a FWIW, GM suggests starting with the higher value trouble codes, and working your way down, when doing diagnostics. __________________ ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-15-2007, 09:30 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by blackgn1 I haven't ever been over to this part of the forum. Anyone who has a 3.8 in a Mustang, can you tell me how much difficulty did you have? Really getting the engine and tranny in the car. I used a tubular K-Member, and just cut part of the Ford mounts out, and grafted in some bits for the Buick Engine mounts. The Tranny crossmember bolts onto the subframe connectors. I had an empty block, and tranny case, so things were rather easy. Also looked at all the pics I could find on how other guys had done it. Using a MIG welder, and with 2 of us pushing things around, we probably did the eng tranny mounts in a couple days, just working evenings. One *hitch* is the exhaust. With a strut type front end, things are limited in how you can run the down pipe. Mine's light so I can get away without running Power Steering, and again that frees up room under the hood. I've posted some pics here, and in the Library at T6P about it. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-15-2007, 11:07 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by blackgn1 Got any pictures of you motor mounts? Doing searches for pictures now. THANKS!! Here's some. If you had a tubular K Member on hand to compare the pics too, you'd see just how simple these are. The original mounts are a U shaped piece of plate. I cut the one arm of the U off, and then welded a plate to a piece of tubing that the engine mount bolts too. The dropped the engine in, and measured things a hundred times getting it *square* to how the stock engine was mounted. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-16-2007, 05:28 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by blackgn1 Did you just get it to line up for the best fit for the 3.8 or try to put it in the same place as the V8? THe short answer is best accessibility. I can take the pan, off without even loosening the engine mounts. There's also room for a girdle. The further rearward, the better for launching. I did have to *dimple* the heater box area to get it that far back. The engine is on the same centerline and the crank is about in the same place as the 4 banger was, but is probably *off* slightly in height. (It was an SVO). __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-16-2007, 06:24 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by blackgn1 By just starting to look at the possibility of doing this I assume that leaving the car frame basically stock up front is not possible? There's just alot less room... If you raise the engine you can get alot of room underneath.... I took a quick look at it, and for the weight saving, and ease of fab work, the tubular just looked too good to pass up. BTW, the K-Member can be bought *right*. I've seen them for as low as $250 when on sale, and there's been some used ones, and new/ unused ones show up. It pays to *network* on hunting for some of the parts. I *think* I've seen some pics of a stock K-Membered GN conversion, if I can dig up some pics, I'll post them. __________________ ---------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-18-2007, 06:57 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by firebird_1252 well i'm going to be getting a razors kit. my question is... what kind of alky do you use? i have a bunch of methanol. over 40 gal. to be exact. can i use it? Naa, you don't want to use that stuff, and just to be a pal, I'll take it off your hands for a small handling charge!. I've been using denatured, as a matter of convience. --------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-27-2007, 10:17 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Robert1985 View Post hello all i put platinum plugs in my 85 t-type. i heard that they dont like that could that be my bucking problem If using a *gimmick* plug makes a difference, you have some other problem. AC, or Delco Plugs are all you should need. Fresh Plug Wires, good clean connections, are also needed. ------------------------------- looking at some PowerLogger scans, it seems like if I sustain acceleration pulling onto a highway, its fine at first, but then my O2s slowly drop down with the same amount of boost, and on one occasion I saw it hit 4th gear then had 1-2 degrees of knock for a couple seconds vs the usual 1 degree for a second I see on the shifts. Knock definitely looked like it was related to O2s and boost - knock started right before boost hit 17psi for a split second (usually its 15), and o2s were in the 750 range at that point. On initial takeoff they're in the 850-860 range (rich) then drop from there. As I thought my boost bounces around from 14-17psi, anyone have a solid PowerLogger scan I can look at? Jeff __________________ Jeff / Gnetic86 1986 Grand National w/T-Tops, Power everything, Posi rear Mods: Hotwired Walbro 340 Fuel Pump, 868 injectors (36lb), Billet Adj. Fuel Pressure Regulator, Caspers Thumbwheel Ultra chip 160 deg. 'stat, K&N Cone Intake, RJC Power Plate MAGNA Member! gnetic86 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-25-2007, 02:56 PM #2 (permalink) gbsean Zap is in Charge.... gbsean's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Flanders, N.J. Posts: 5,655 Send a message via Yahoo to gbsean for a standard MAF should read 255 at WOT and at duty cylce of 95% it is time to step up to bigger injectors car will knock in 4th gear...engine is actually doing more work in higher gear __________________ JCC RACING BPG # 1950 87 Grand National 07 Dodge Hemi Charger R/T AWD 06 Dodge Durango SLT AWD www.jccracing.com gbsean is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-27-2007, 10:30 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gnetic86 View Post Is it bad for Injector Duty cycle to hit 95%? Also, should the maf read more than 220 at 15 lbs of boost? In looking at some PowerLogger scans, it seems like if I sustain acceleration pulling onto a highway, its fine at first, but then my O2s slowly drop down with the same amount of boost, and on one occasion I saw it hit 4th gear then had 1-2 degrees of knock for a couple seconds vs the usual 1 degree for a second I see on the shifts. Knock definitely looked like it was related to O2s and boost - knock started right before boost hit 17psi for a split second (usually its 15), and o2s were in the 750 range at that point. On initial takeoff they're in the 850-860 range (rich) then drop from there. Some chips only read 220 at WOT. 95%?, alsd depends on RPM. In general, I like to keep the DC more like 80% so that I don't run out of *room*, with the fuel. DC is about the ratio of time off to time on. So at higher RPM, a given DC of say 5% is less at 6,000 RPM then at 3,000 RPM, and the likelyhood for problems increases (just picking numbers here to illustrate a point). A stock type O2 sensor can falsely lean out out, reading wise during a run, a WB is a lot better for serious tuning. __________________ ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-22-2007, 08:34 PM #27 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog View Post when we're hit again by Alqueda, monday morning QBs will say we should have used 170k troops to find OBL not to media a civil war. I'm just saying it NOW. If all those troops were Along the Afghan Pakistan border instead of Iraq, you'd see me as a "war on terror" supporter. Too bad you've proven your word is meaningless, so any claims you make should begin with "Once upon a time". Maybe it's time that you read the Resolution for War, and got a grip on ALL of what's been going on, instead of snippets. It's really laughable how you like Congress, think they can win a war, from your armchair. It's been proven that the US can easily win a war, but that means letting the military actually do military. hard to imagine how quickly *WE* forgot all the lessions learned from DS, and have reverted to the past idiocy of nitwits trying to run a war via remote control. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-23-2007, 09:38 PM #46 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog View Post there is nothing to gain politically. we all lose as americans with this war. Then there are those that are losers reguardless of what they say or *don't* do. The ones that sit back and whine about the valant efforts of men that won't tolerate the slaughter of innocents, and WMD on their own country men. Either your part of the problem or part of the cure, sitting in you arm chair, typing away about what everyone else that is doing something, shows where you're at. How many times have you had to read the resolutions for war, before you finally got off those silly quotes, and lies you spread?. It's a pity you just don't get what SH was doing to his own people.... BTW, how do you discribe your hatred of the Iraqii's?, after all it's not just a racial matter. It's sad to see you turn your head the other way while people are being slaughtered, not to mention the the repeated violations, that justify the Resolutions for War. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-24-2007, 06:16 PM #56 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog View Post That's a lie!!! oh it was an opinion? Like I said, these Iraqis wouldnt be attacking our soldiers if we werent occupying their country. "we fight them there so we dont have to fight them here" is ridiculous. but even if it were true... bring the soldiers home and block all airline flights to the USA from the middle east if it makes you feel safer Try reading a WWII history book, and get back with us. Appeasement didn't work then, and ain't going to now. Talk about another victim of forgetting history's lessions. As long as people like you want to do things 1/2 way, we'll be at war. Have you noticed the reason for *RE*visitin Iraq, is because we stopped too early a decade ago?. Oh wait, you'd have to read the Resolution for War to grasp that, and obviously that's still on you *to do list*. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-27-2007, 09:42 PM #112 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog View Post You can't judge this situation with WW2, it aint even the same ballpark. Incredible. As long as you and others believe that idiocy, you will be bound to not have learned a darned thing from history's lessions. It's really a shame that you can't see past your blinders, and catch a glimpse of what's going on. But, considering you haven't read the Resolution for War, it's no surprise that you're as cluesless about the war, as you are. BTW, what was Hitler's primary excuse for invading Poland?. You say there's no relationship, so let's see how well your understanding is of the motives for WWII, and the War in Iraq. BTW, you might try reading up on why SH invaded Kuwait, ie remember, that's what got us involved with Iraq to begin with in this war. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-27-2007, 09:44 PM #113 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog View Post Like I said, you add nothing , you have nothing to say aside from insults Yep, just like you do with your sillycomments, like there's no comparing WWII to the War in Iraq. Kettle black, yadda, yadda. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-27-2007, 10:11 PM #115 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog View Post We invaded an un-armed nation. So we started the war, are you comparing the US to Germany in WW2? I know all about SH and Kuwait stealing their oil and his decision to accept euros. I know the history. The only similiarity I see between the US invading Iraq and Germany invading Poland Sudetenland etc and Bush invading is that the REAL reasons were not the ones used to sell to the people. Get off your high horse and stop assuming everyone is stupid because they dont agree with you. Calling people's belief "idiocy" shows narrowmindedness. The point of debate is for people with different viewpoints to show how they reached a conclusion and mutually expand each others knowledge. Calling people idiots cause they havent reached your assumed level of knowledge only shows stubborness pretentiousness and close mindedness. Unarmed?. Obviously, you missed the part about where Iraq was shooting at American war Planes, in vilation of the Pease Agreement after DS. Again, your cluelessness is showing!!!!!!!!!. No assumions are required, your the one making statements showing just how ill informed you are. You've demonstreated time after time, that you refuse to investigate others opinions, or the facts of a given situtation. Instead, of say reading and using the Resolution of War, you go off on some sort of nonsensical conspiracy theory and ignore all the facts of the matter. Your the one too good to use what Congress and the American People have approved, and agreed upon, so please save your idiocy for the folks that are of the same *mind set* as yourself. ---------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-11-2006, 08:51 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by jefffoxsr I have about 1,000 miles on the rebuild. The heat range of the plugs is correct. I just did a leakdown test and all cylinders were at about 10%. I usually run alcohol injection. All of the plugs looked really rich and had some dark deposits that were wet looking. My egts are always 1700 to 1850 F. This is the same whether I run alky or race gas and no alky. ZERO knock always on Direct Scan and the audible detector is quiet. I have 3 egt gauges, so this is not the problem. The probe is mounted a few inches below the turbo. I've always heard that egts should be around 1550. I didn't see those #'s before or after the rebuild. I would expect a cleaner plug with those high egts. Any ideas on why the egts are so high? Thanks. EGT's peak at Stoich.. You can be leaner or richer then stoich, for a given EGT. If you're running a real low timing chip, then the fuel maybe still burning after the exhaust valves open, or rich enough to be reigniting. Sounds like another case of where having a WB would be extremely useful.... And an electrical problem can cause symptoms like that, ie a missing ignition module ground, for instance. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-12-2006, 07:04 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by jefffoxsr Thanks for the education guys. Dave I haven't talked to you since you lived in CA. Anyway, I am curious as to how overly rich conditions can cause high egts. Could Steve, Dave, or Bruce educate me please? There are a host of reasons, one being the added fuel raises the dynamic compression ratio, since the combustion chambers mass during combustion is greater it takes longer for it to cool down, since there is an excess of fuel as each and every last atom of O is found it's still allows burning to continue. The longer the combustion lasts, the more heat is allowed to be carried out of the cylinder, and there's your higher EGT. There are entire books on the combustion event, that go into pains taking detail of all the reactions. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ---------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-24-2007, 06:12 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by paul r cummings View Post You guys know the wire I am talking about. It is part of the + battery cable and plugs into the orange wire right by the battery. The wire broke just at the black plastic round piece (I assume this is a 20 amp fuseable link). How do you fix it without a cobble job? Thanks for the help. Does the car run?. There's a orange wire with connector about 9" away from the battery that is the power for the ecm. It also clears the long term memory for the ecm. It's not a fusible link. Just call Casper's and get a one connecter weatherpak connector, and crimp it. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Quick reply to this message Old 04-27-2007, 10:23 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by paul r cummings View Post This is the wire that goes to the ECM. The does does run if I jumper that wire. If I put in a fuseable link wire what size ga and what amp rating? Do I need a certain length wire to get the proper amp rating? How do you buy the fuseable link wire? The red wire that goes to the weather pack connector has a black plastic piece as part of the wire, it says 20 on it. Is this the wire ga or amp rating? Thanks for the help on this. paul DO NOT ADD A FUSIBLE LINK! **MY BAD** I didn't have enough light........ There Alt feed wire off the + post doesn't have a fusible link, but the Orange one does!. Least on my car. Sorry for the mis-statement! __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-28-2007, 09:57 PM #18 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood View Post I need to update a couple of more cars with your relocation kit...but, I consider it to be one of the better things I have done on my GN. Even if the improvement in load sharing is ignored...replace three of them in one week as I did on my son's T before I found the short that only occurred when he hit a bump...and the location kit becomes a real bargain. Yep.... I've done my own mod., using a Ford Starter Solenoid, and relocated the fusible links in a manner similiar to what John's done with his kit. The oem arrangement is for the convience of the assembly line, not folks that have to work on the darned things. BTW, I edited my original reply ------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-28-2007, 10:35 PM #26 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 How well practiced are you at laying out fuel lines?. Is it possible you have air being sucked into the fuel?. Might try installing a clear peice of fuel tubing, and seeing just how aeriated the fuel is (standing still at idle, is good enough). Might also try mounting the pressure guage in the return line to make sure there is enough fuel volume. I had a similiar situation, that wound up being a faulty TPS. The only way I stumbled into the cure was by getting to the stage of R+R'ing parts, just hoping to discover what the problem was. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-23-2007, 10:23 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by mjdwyer23 View Post Yep. What it came down to was that I wasn't sure she was the one for me, but she was. If she was the *one* she'd be there now. IMO, it's better to be free, then tied to a maybe. Not to mention that it gets one clearer on lonely vs being alone. Understanding the difference, is a good thing in my mind. Happy Hunting -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-27-2007, 10:02 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood View Post Using the stock DIS with a volt booster, Accel coil pack: Is it possible to run out of sufficient dwell at rpms in the 5800-6000 range and cause a "faint" miss when plugs are gapped in the 032-035 range when running boost in the 28# range? Compression is 9.2-1 By 'faint', I mean that I don't feel it..but, it might be there... The *thing* IMO, is not just a miss but as you noted losing HP. IMO, you want to maintain a reserve amount of ignition power so that for the **ODD** combustion event there's still plenty of juice to start the cascade of the reaction correctly. The combustion event is *built* up, and the spark is just to set the optimum point for starting the full process. With every improvement in ignition, I've noticed a sligth *bettering* of the igntion. I might be just in cold starting or the limits about how much alky I can run, but there's always been a sligth increase. The 6 ACCEL 300 CD module and 6 coil system is as much voltage and amperage I can figure out how to cram into a Buick V6, and while I wasn't able to increase the plug gap, at the higher alky loads, the performance was more consistant. We're only talking a very slight amount, but it did show on the WB as being slightly leaner even thou, I was adding a touch more alky. If you have a dwell time concern then using a CD would eliminate it. Having ~400v on the primary side reduces the rise time to about nuttin. As well as CNP systems. Reducing the heat in the igntion coil(s) is always a good thing. As you may recall, I suggested using the voltage boosters for years because of their ability to increase the reserve ignition voltage. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 05-04-2007, 11:14 AM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbopaul View Post Anyone? Dwell on a 6,000 RPM 6 cylinder just isn't a problem. For the coil to saturate, and discharge takes about 10 msec., with a conventional ignition system. Up the primary voltage like with a CD that has ~400v instead of 13, and the coil rise time, drops signifigantly. The 10 msec., is an *average*. While you can go forth with all sorts of EE equations, and special this and that, by the time you run the system, and let it hot (just from use) lots of the hot advertising claims are about mute. There is a lot of misleading advertising when it comes to igntions. (Dwell at 6K on a 8 cylinder is where you can start to run into Dwell issues). Oh, and BTW, much of the reasoning for CNP and such is with the coils firing less often, they run much cooler, and thus are able to maintain peak reserve voltage capacity. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-23-2007, 10:32 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood View Post Killed a small rattler on my front porch Saturday nite...and a scorpion on the porch tonight. There are some benefits to Winter. Both are nasty, IMO. I got bit by a Scorpion once, and that was enough........ ---------------------------- --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-13-2007, 02:59 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by VxTurboxV Nope never had a problem, I move the engine all the time too. I'll make sure to be careful now that you said that though! You never want to work with your feet under any engine, 3 or 4 caster stand. As far as tipping over, I've never tipped either over, but I do have a hand when running up any high torque fittings, with either 3/4 casters. The most exciting incident I had was with a foreign engine that lost a rod, and had split the crank and block in half, so when I undid the head, the front end of the engine fell onto the floor. Hence, my no feet under the block policy. __________________ --------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-02-2006, 12:06 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by BooBoo231cu I dropped my car off last night to get mini tubbed. I have been contemplating for a while getting coil over shocks. Due to the price, and all that good stuff its a tough one. I have decided to get the rear of the car done while the mini tubs are being installed. If anyone has this done I would like to hear what your likes and dislikes may be. Thanks ! I have the QA1 kit, and really like it. I just had the front done, and while I still need some addition work, I just can't wait to see what it's like with the corner weights set. With the HR Partsnstuff rear bar, the car handles, and launches straight. Granted this is just a street car. Quick reply to this message Old 03-02-2006, 01:06 AM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by BooBoo231cu Yes, mine is just a street car. I want it to handle and launch nice. I know you have to give a little for the right "mix" with these cars. I also know they will never handle well. I do enjoy the ride comfort though. Whats the HR rear bar like? Easy to install? How easy is it to adjust ride height? Thanks Ugh, I dunno how to break the news to you, but a TR can be made to handle pretty darned good. In stock form, their not to good, but with some work you can surprise anything on street tires, with one. It was a piece of cake, thou I had a hoist. Having someone to give ya hand, and using a floor jack with common tools, an hour or so. You have to drill some holes, and there's a couple bolts that can be tricky to get to. A couple of the Coil-over wrenches, and setting the height is no big deal. BTW, you want to take the weight off the axle to do it, ie jack it up. Lifting the weight of the car using the threaded collars, is alot more work then jacking the car up first. Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote -------------------------------- 9:55 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Stang While it's just sitting in the engine bay, it's at least to that stage now. The front end is all together, and rear axle is done. Interior gutted, Manual brakes, and steering in. Still a long ways to go, but we're only 3 months into working on 'er, and I'm really happy with the progress. In a couple weeks it'll be going to the local Chassis Shop for a cage. While some look for big HP to get down the track, this car is about weight. It might get a glass hood, and hatch, everything else is steel. And yes, the engine is purple, my engine guy has an odd sense of humor.... LOL And yesII, those are CNP coils on the valve covers. So far I'm thinking about running the later Quick Start Ignition and triggering later GM CNPs..... Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 09-17-2006, 08:48 AM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Grumpy looks like the stock manifolds will have plenty of room Time will tell on that one. Well yes the manifold do have a fair amount of room, the Turbo, and DP might get *close*. Might have to use a stock exhuast pipe adapter on the turbo, and port it out. We'll see thou..... __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-05-2006, 05:40 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 9SECVSIX A couple of quick questions for anyone having done a V6 swap. I just purchased a 88 LX rolling chassie, considering a turbo V6 swap, if there's any major hassels what are they so I know up front In some of the pictures I have looked at there looks like there might be interference between the stock cross member and the oil pump on the V6 any problem with the oil pan clearing The car had power streering but I don't want to run a pump (track ony car) will I need to swap to a manual steering rack? am getting old and weak all for now I'm going to make a new pump cover with a lower profile then the stock one with the oil line adapter on it. I went with a tubular K-Member, and there's plenty of room with my set up. As, it is now, R+R the pan should be a 10 min project. For the ~$300 it seemed like the thing to do, as far as access goes. Then going with coil overs up front give more room for the exhaust. That seems to be the trick part. I wound up fabing a new tranny crossmember that locates off the chassis connectors. That also allows for removing the stock tranny cross member mounts on the chassis side for again more exhaust clearance. I had been posting at T6P in the Library, under Engine Swap. I used the Unigear Rack and Pinion, for the manual steering. Might figure on doing manual brakes, also. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 10-05-2006, 08:04 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by WINDMILL did you leave yourself room for a block girdle, looks like they are not enough room under the pan. maybe your not going to run one then. sorry to ramble i still have the mustang downpipe for the change over,if you need some pics of it. I'm not going that crazy with it, that I'd need a girdle. However, there's no reason why you can't mount the engine up higher than mine. My step up leaves me room for the stock hood. As it is, I have the tranny mount built so that shimming it up or down for getting the U-Joint angles should be a snap. Plus there's going to be adj uppers out back. The CG, and rear IC (Anti-squat) will be a function of the rear lower arms, and front coil-overs. ANY PICS APPRECIATED ! Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-17-2006, 04:44 PM #24 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by mynanny my opinion on a blue oval but grumpy would disagree with that gt in his garage. Sorry man. a stang is still a stang with or without a good soul in it.. Try building an all steel GN that weights less then 2,500# (with cage). I used the Stang, only since it was light, and available. This car is just about being fast, and affordable. Figure out how many fewer ponies it takes to run a 10 or faster, with a 1,000#'s less weight. Hot rodding, IMO, is just about self expression, and there will always be people that don't like what someone does. Me?, I can appreciate a fast car, brand is meaningless. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-25-2006, 09:19 AM #32 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Turbo88Stang Coming along pretty good Doc1of7, You have the same idea I did when it came to a car being available and light weight. I hope mine turns out lighter or around 2,900#'s but I went over board on the frame work under the car that made the car very, very sound!!!! With a full cage, long block, tranny case, all the suspension/ brakes, seats, still all steel body, 17" wheels and tires, dash, guages, BUT minus, wiring, battery, hood, rad, intercooler, mine is at 2,000#. I'm hoping to be under 2,500 ready to run (not including driver). We tied my cage into the stock structure, more then normally seen, and have subframe connectors. We left the rear of the cage *open* so that if we decide to 4 link it, or go with big tubes, we won't have to rerhash the whole cage. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-25-2006, 09:24 AM #33 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut worst suspension on any car I have ever driven even with brand new struts. Other then the latest vettes, I've not found any car's suspension much better then a stage coach. But, with some work, it's easy to greatly improve things from oem. Not to mention mine's not meant to be a corner burner, I have the GN for that, ... With 2000 front brakes, and SVO rear discs it should stop pretty well... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Quick reply to this message Old 11-25-2006, 08:06 PM #35 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut Doc, not sure how much mustang work you have done, but is there any decent mods to do to these 2.3's to get a little extra power for cheap? It is seriously low on power. What about the suspension, I have KYB struts/shocks, but it is still bad so I think it may be the springs. Every time it hits a bump it bangs hard, and almost flips over when you corner. Years ago, I played with a number of Pintos, and the key was lots of porting. There's been a few guys that have installed Volvo heads on the 2.3's, and that might just be the hot ticket. I have nothing nice to say about KYBs... They're just valved WAY TOO stiff, IMO. I've seen several cars where they've torn the shock mounts out of the unibody. With mine just being for straight line use, I just opt'd for some Car Quest Cheapies. On my Buick the QA-1s, and Bilsteins have been nothing but great. If I was going to get serious about street use or cornering, there seems to be alot of cures for a bump steer issue, and I'd work on that for openers. ---------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 01-08-2007, 09:20 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Gettin there Still got a ways to go, but, gettin there. It got it's first alignment Friday, so we know how much to move the upper strut mountings. Intercooler, tranny cooler, radiator, engine/ tranny, cage, seats, dash, switch panel, guage panel, engine harness, suspension, driveshaft, DS loop, brakes, sheetmetal swapping, headlight harness, are in/ done. Still have the turbo, injectors, and fuel pump to buy. I haven't been able to find a fiberglass stock appearing hood for it, so it looks like that'll be using the steel one...... Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-20-2007, 07:04 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut Doc what do you have planned for the oiling system? Everything external to the front cover will be of a new design. I've had to push it to the back burner for the moment, since I need to get the car running, so it won't be done by the Nats, but hoepfully by the Indy event. Fewer turns, all .5" ID passageways, easy to adjust bypass, no filter bypass, etc. etc.. And all done economically. So far it looks like all but one piece will be off the self bits. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-20-2007, 07:08 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Kendall Frederick That looks good! You need to find some SVO headlight covers for that thing..it'd look badass. Drysump oiling? I wonder how low in the chassis you could get the V6 with a tubular K-member and a drysump pan? It is an SVO, and I took the oem doghouse off to get the 4 headlight setup. I just like the 4 rect headlight setup. I have the engine as low in the frame as possible, that allows for R+R'ing the pan without having to raise the engine. The engine is also set WAY back so that it's only the forward edge of the pan that is of any concern. Still a single stage, oem gear set for the pump, but everything else is different. ---------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 12-20-2006, 06:02 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Black Car Casper is reading directly from the knock sensor itself. Believe it. It will show knock, both real and false in real time. Do you hear the rattling of your engine? If so, then it was real knock. The scanmaster is reading through the ALDL port from the computer which is about 1.5 seconds behind real time. Knock only occurs within a given frequency range, reading the signal pre knock sensor is just reading any noise. So you *may* see some noises that aren't actually knock. If anyone hears knock, it can mean the ecm's not able to take enough timing out (usually set at 12d in the chip). Or, that the knock system is malfunctioning. The sampling rate is ~1.5 seconds. Worst case, you'll see a 1.5 sec delay. One of the neat things about data logging off the ecm's circuit board is that you're seeing what the ecm is actually doing and when it's doing it. __________________ ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-23-2007, 10:31 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 86NYGN View Post YouTube - GEORGE BUSH LEGACY And, the Dems still couldn't come up with anyone better. BTW, how many times have you been in front of cameras?, he's recorded any time he opens his mouth. Being a good spublic speaker doesn't automatically make someone interested in doing what's right for America. After all just look at his last opponent. BTW, have you read any bio about Kerry?, or are you relying on his PR people to see just how great of warrior, and supporter of the troops Kerry is?. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-24-2007, 06:18 PM #24 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 86NYGN View Post Wow is correcting typos another one of your vast duties here???? Dam, you must be busy what with your "Typo Correction Police", "Demean and belittle anyone who actually has an original thought" and all your other various positions here. Where oh where do you find the time! Ah, nothing like playing calling the *Kettle Black* tactic, thanks for the laughs. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-24-2007, 06:24 PM #25 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog View Post Its okay to admit it. He's just isnt that bright. cant we do better for a leader? This is the best America can come up with? You guys defend him for his convictions and dismiss his poor grasp of the language-Why cant we have a leader with ALL the qualities? We (you) should demand better. Maybe you should run for President. You seem to have all the answers. Well, right now we basically have a 2 part system, and the other side hasn't been able to come up with anyone better. Not to mention that there are so many poorly informed Americans, that they fall for glitter rather then those that try to act in the long term. Some of us do demand better, so again, your sweeping statement is just nonsense. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ----------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-23-2007, 10:42 PM #26 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 86NYGN View Post Exactly the point. With the vile names some here have called him I thought maybe some had met him and THEN JUDGED his character. LMAO...... If some one posts idiocy, it's idiocy, no judgment required. Of one posts lies, they're liars, if one posts 1/2 truths, their still 1/2 truths. BTW, have you meet him?, or are you taking *sides* blindly?. Ya, supporting the poorly informed, and liars, is a one benefit of worring about being PC. Here's a clue for ya, just because someone disagrees with someone else doesn't mean they've judged him in all areas of their *being*. The Net is only a 2 plane version of 3 plane universe, IMO. With the ability for long conversation, and facial expressions, lots gets left out of human communication, again, IMO. Maybe you ought to not worry so much about what other *think* or act like, unless you want to live your life as being part part of a popularity contest of some sort. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-24-2007, 06:08 PM #35 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 86NYGN View Post I guess only an "Idiot" would think someone elses opinion is "Idiocy" so I would say you are an Idiot. Who are you to decide that someone is "poorly informed". To you "poorly informed" is someone who doesn't agree with your "Views". I am about as far from being "PC" as anyone could get. What exactly has "Goth lied about" that makes him a liar? You and a bunch of others seem to think that because your "opinions" are "FACTS" then everyone who doesn't follow in lockstep is a "Liar, Idiot,Liberal,PC,Unpatriotic,blah,blah". You are the same one who knew nothing about the use of "Mushroom Cloud" by Bush, yet you say others are "Poorly Informed"???? I believe I have lived enough and done enough that I don't need your "Sage Advice" on how I should "live my life". Why is it that people like you that so staunchly denounce "Libs, and Dems" as telling others what to do and say, constantly do exactly the thing that you denounce??????? I have never met Goth nor anyone else from this site. Goth definately is on the "Fringe" with some of his opinions and a few are off the wall,but he doesn't demean nor personally insult others who don't share his "opinions". I have always liked to "Stir the Pot" when others try to say everything is either black or white and IMHO that is what Goth is doing in alot of his posts. Ya, seems like guessing is right up your sleeve, otherwise you'd do the reasearch to support the truth rather then idiocy. You're suffering from the same lack of info as he, and want to , too often make blanket statements or state 1/2 truths. Not to mention his *hiden* hate for the Iraqii people, or his tolerance of henchemen like SH. Not to mention his total refusual to read the Resolution for War. BTW, excuse me for laughing at your talk about others wanting to dicate how others should think, when your guilty of the same thing. Stirring the pot doesn't require lying, or being a phoney. BTW, would you mind point out where it is that I've been vile in my replies to you?. I disagree with some of what you say, but you so far have had the decentcy to stay at least close to the truth, hence there's no need to point out any falsehoods, or lying on your account. Which in my opinion is a far different cry then alot of others where they make sweeping statements about all libs being thus and such, or Reps are this and that. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote --------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-22-2007, 08:38 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Just a Six?? View Post When installed in the bung, if it were to touch the pipe (hole is tight) would this affect it? Wouldnt ground it out would it? I have a problem with mine (voltage error) & its a long shot but need to ask? No, the external *can* is just part of the housing. The inner *guts* are where the sensor is. Thou, if over tightened so as to *mush* the can off sensor, then maybe you';d kill it. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-23-2007, 11:02 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Just a Six?? View Post No it just touches as screwed in. I can do it by hand but when I look at it there are score marks where its touched while going in. As for the test it still did it so I guess I'm safe that way. PS: Good to have you back Doc!! Try looking in the censor connectors. If you see any signs of corrosion that might be your problem. I had a LM-1 do that. Great being back!. ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 04-23-2007, 10:57 PM #32 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 88_Pacifica View Post I was always told that all my G-bodied 80's cars were not full frame cars because it is not "truly" a full frame car. Is this true? Well, how many other cars other then GM's use body bushings to tune the chassis?. It really, IMO, is more a Power Train Bracket. IMO, it's a combo of both frame, and monoque. __________________ --------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 04-23-2007, 12:20 AM #38 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Thanks for all the replies, they're really appreciated. Doc's are saying several weeks of bed rest to get things better healed. As mentioned I had a lung collapsed, and it did it several more times, while in the Hospital. And, the soft tissue in rigth knee is now *gone*. The long time use of steriods for the transplant, has killed the blood supply in the femur bone, in the knee joint area. Feels like a root canal being done when ever I put any weight on it.. So this time around I just gotta follow their orders to the letter, I just can't afford to push things, like I have in the past. My participartion might lessen, but I fully plan on trying to help folks as much as I can. Again, Thanks! __________________ Quick reply to this message Old 04-23-2007, 10:50 PM #47 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Turbonics View Post (As you're on the road to recovery, do you have any goal presently for what the next major automotive related event you'll be attending? ) I'd been working on trying to make BG, but that's down to a maybe, now. I really wanted to drive the GN or Stang down, but unless I get alot better really quick that just ain't gonna happen. But, if I'm doing well otherwise, I might hitch a ride down with a friend. And again thanks. for the other comments, guys. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-29-2006, 06:32 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by REDS HOT AIR Its been a repeat thing since Razor stepped into the scene .. yes his stuff is nice but I dont push them to customers because of the my stuff is the only choice attitude .. besides post time 11-14-2006, 09:27 PM u think they are open at that time Geesh, give it a break. With as few Snow kits that get used around here, I'd have to agree with Julio. For something as potentially damaging as a misque with alky can be, he gave you the best advise possible. __________________ ---------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 04-05-2006, 08:01 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87GN 68GTX the car passed before like it is only thing different is i put a ford powerstroke intercooler in I'd try bypassing it for the smog testing. The stock intercooler allows the manifold temp. to run about 20dF less then the coolant temperature. A F/M on the other hand will try to keep the manifold alot cooler then that, unless you spend allot of time in line, allowing the engine to *heat soak*. If it's just the intercooler that's the problem, then it would seem either answer would be the cure. ---------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-01-2007, 10:41 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by VxTurboxV Not that I'm saying I'd go with this brand personally, but heres a kit with lines for $60 shipped. I'm sure it's not as good as the PTE but here it is if anyone wants it. The company is TransDapt Oil Filter Relocation Kit Buick #1150 Includes oil filter bypass adapter, a remote oil filter bracket with 1/2" NPT threads, two fully assembled 30" neoprene hoses and mounting hardware. Accepts 3/4" - 16 spin on oil filters such as PH8A or HP1 I'm using parts of that kit. FWIW, I'll never run any oil lines that aren't SS AN. BTW, the Buick Power Book mentions using a dual filters, I'm just gonna change the oil/ filter more often, and use the BBC Truck oil filter. ---------------------------------- Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-08-2007, 07:06 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by scarface_x360 I am looking to uprgrade my intercooler and I am unsure of whether to go with a stock location or a front mount intercooler. I will be driving the car daily this summer and I do not plan to take the car into the 10's. Also wondering where a good place to get an intercooler is. 11's?..... I run both a F/M (Cotton's), and alky injection (alkyinjection.com). With the F/M it drops the alky consumption way down. Even in the hottest of weather, I can run all the boost I want (thou running 28 PSI continually, will lift a head every few years). It might seem like overkill, but it's nice not having any detonation/ preignition problems. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-11-2007, 04:47 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood When you can get high nines out of a stock location unit....there is no need to worry about making power for the 11s. Plenty of stock ics have made it into the 11s.... " I will be driving the car daily this summer " For a daily driver, there's no better HP gain than from lower MATs. Why not start off with the ez gains?. Yep, EZ, ain't the cheapest, but it's reliable HP. ---------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 03-23-2007, 04:44 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog I get it, any time a republican does something illegal or unethical, bring up a situation from the past where a democrat did something bad. That way the sheep will forget about the current illegality. Same tactic you use all the time. Odd, you'd see OTHERS doing that. It's really sad to see someone like you use :USA: afterall you've done nothing to support the country, troops, or do as you say you would. Other then being possibly born here, I haven't seen you show any thing *USA* in what you've said, or people you support. __________________ Quick reply to this message Old 03-25-2007, 09:20 PM #57 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog that's unoriginal. when only 1/3 of the people follow a leader, is it a leap to figure out that the american people have lost faith in thier leader? Psst, it was much higher up until the cowards got involved, and it looke like it was actually going to to be a war of more then 100 hours. BTW, it's easy to lose faith, when one has none. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-25-2007, 09:21 PM #58 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog *we've* all been saying it for years, because ahem its TRUE. Where have you been Another posting about that frog in your pocket?. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-25-2007, 09:26 PM #59 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog You can start by asking the troops in Afghanistan want they want. Its no secret....MORE TROOPS As opposed to saying, we don't want any more troops helping. I guess second place is having ammo?... Or could that possibly be water?. BUT, Before you get too arrogant, try reading the Resolution of War, so that you have 1/2 a clue about what's going on. --------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 03-22-2007, 10:10 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator Well, the Airbus A-380 is WAY behind on it delivery schedule and is SERIOUSLY over weight. Yes, but it is designed by both the French and Germans. And with a Fly By Wire System, that's so perfect, that the pilots can't over rule any FBW desicion, it's got to be perfect, well until they find that one lil problem. Not that the coders, ever error, , ie sending a Mars Probe off, with just one reference to a metric distance.... BTW, there is an island just off Argentina, I believe, where they do cross wind landing studies. There's a link showing some 747's coming in at seemingly impossible angles, and just gyrate to perfect landing at touch down. Yep, just another carry over from the nasty old military, ie the B-52 )BTW, a Boeing plane) was the originator of commandable landing gear for cross wind landings, from what I've read. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-22-2007, 10:26 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator And here's a few "that take my breath away." I was thinking 747, but those are the ones I was thinking off. From the laack of any buildings, or *improvements*, those look to be taken at the test island, I mentioned. __________________ ------------------------------------ Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 07-18-2006, 08:12 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by buzzin 87 Went To Change Motor Oil At 1000 Miles And The Oil Was Black. Never Look Like This Before Injecting Meth,is This Normal, I Use In This Car Penzoil 10w30. Might try a few degrees less timing.. With alky you can get to where you're running an excessive amount of timing, and not seeing any detonation/ knock. And the more HP, and hammering you do on an engine, the more blow by there will be. You might also be just loosening up some ole crappe in the engine with then increase in heat you're making now. And we're talking about a very small amount of crappe to darken the oil. ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-22-2007, 09:20 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by thunderace31 Ok here is the deal I just got my car back from having the roll cage put in and I suspect I dont have the same computer in my car. The chip is the same one but the car dosnt run very well (Really its running like complete sh*t! ) If it was left connected, and there was a *grounding* problem with the welder, that may have zapped the ECM.. Kinda rare, but it does happen. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-22-2007, 09:40 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by thunderace31 OOOCH! I hope that didnt happen! I know the battery was way way Low when I picked it up then I killed it when I painted and put all the interoir parts back in the car this week Hope it just need to relearn or something The battery hasn't anything to do with what happened. Nope, if it's zapped due to a ground problem on the welder, (which genreates lots of arcing, and high stray voltages), it's a gonner. In BruceWorld, batteries, and ecms are removed from the car when using welders. Might be time to keep a spare ecm on hand for diagnostics. Originally, there was a white paper label on the ecm with the part no., 1227148 __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-22-2007, 10:20 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by thunderace31 Oh and theres no paper on the ecm so Im screwed! Guess I need an ecm fast! Car is entered in a Race for the 3rd of april! Try Fullthrottle, Bweary, Red Regal T, Cotton's. Or any 87-88 FWD, 3.8L GM. Any/ All should have the paper label with the 1227148. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-22-2007, 10:29 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by thunderace31 Thanks! I will Could low voltage cause issues I know the battery was still low when I fired up the car yesterday. Yes, at about 9v things start to *sign off*. ---------------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 03-20-2007, 06:55 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 If your going to be serious, then you want to use the likes of a Garden Tractor Battery, if your doing any *full* load injector work. Any A/C from moderately priced power supply will begin to show up, if your getting into it. I have an ole power supply from the late 70's that'll give me a clean pattern of anything I've looked at to date, but it weights, more than a normal car battery. There are some hand held scope bargains to be found on ebay. I found a Matco one for $300 and it was in mint condition. Finding an Allen or other automtive scope can be really worth while, since you can then actually use it in the shop. The igntion displays are also much handier, IMO, than using a lab scope. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-20-2007, 08:02 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LAMBD...92701698QQrdZ1 5.0 A?. If your just running the ecm, you can get by with an amp or so, but, anything more then that needs a lot more current. An injector, and/ or a live ignition system uppes the anti quickly. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-20-2007, 08:25 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut hmm how much amperage do you suggest? Got any suggestions on a good unit to buy? If you're going to be using a live ignition then a garden Tractor Battery will get you by. Saturated injector use, min 20A. Peak and hold 50A. While the steady state current demands of some electrical devises isn't that great, the opening currents, can be dramatic. 4,000 RPM, with a live igntion system, and injectors starts into a area of where not enough current can play havic with what you're looking at. Not to mention if your looking at opening times, voltage also starts to come into play. I used to keep the battery outside, on a trickle charger, just to be safe. Then some #6 leads (short as possible) to the bench, in the *lab*.. __________________ ---------------------------- Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-15-2007, 08:08 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 1FASTV6 Thanks for your dedicated voluntary service. There ought to be some crimes, exempt from terms of cruel and unusual punishment. A slow suffocation, or something where the perp gets to think about what he did to deserve such a miserable ending, is fine by me. The tragedy of caring, is that sometimes it takes extreme sacrifice, and there seems to be a lacking of that nowadays, all too often life seems to be about those that just think of themselves, or pretend to support the brave. ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-14-2007, 05:19 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by norbs Its all in the instruction manual: It is NOT a good idea to connect the LM-1 permanently to 12V and switch it on before the vehicle is started. Depending on the climate and the senor position in the exhaust, condensation water can form in the exhaust pipes. This condensation water could then be blown by the exhaust stream against the hot sensor when the car is started. The resulting heat shock can permanently damage the sensor. To protect the LM-1 when installed permanently it is a good idea to power the LM-1 only after the car is started. The starter motor in some vehicles can create voltage spikes of over 100V that have the potential to do damage. Although rare, this is a real possibility and the LM-1 contains protection circuitry to guard against it. A relay connected as shown below insures that the LM-1 is disconnected while cranking. This reduces further drain on the car battery by the sensor heater and protects the LM-1 against abnormally large voltage spikes. Odd that in 10,000's of miles, in several vehicles, and years of use I have yet to see this happen. BTW, if you do the research you'll see that *shortcoming* was first discovered in the intial DIY-WB work. The problem originated with too fast of warm up for the sensor element. Just a slight error in WB controller design allows for too fast of heater warm up, and at least one of the early commercial WBs had that issue. ANY sensitive, well designed devise such as a WB has reverse polarity, and *spike voltage* protection. ***Properly oriented***, there's no fear of condensation splashing on the sensor. Also, most condensation is goiong to take place in the Cat. Converter, and muffler, both of which the sensor should be in front off. Condensation is in large part about surface area...... Nothing will make up for misorienting the sensor, or exposing it to ANY, ANY, ANY Silcone. Spray or from gasket sealers. Spraying door seals on a car several stalls away, can ruin a WB (in the long term). If you want to wire in a relay, fine, but you might remember there are millions of Hondas (and other cars), that power up their WBs, without relays, and just go hot with key on. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the ----------------------------------- Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-15-2007, 08:11 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by mjdwyer23 My FP relay melted down and left the connector all gunky. what can i do to clean it out? The new one works well but I'd like to clean the connections. Thanks Like Steve said. Now, in the L/R 1/4 panel is the harness connector where the FP meets the chassis harness. That connector involves several different metals, and electrolice can occur there. Might clean it up, and/ or use a butt connector and some heat shrink to prevent it's decay. Some heat shrink comes with weather proofing in it, which, IMO, would be a good idea. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints. -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-14-2007, 06:07 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by jptv6 In stock form ,the engine can move/rock and the stock flex hose isolate's movement to the maf sensor etc bolted to Filter Cannister bolted to the frame. Any issue's going to a solid mass air flow pipe where by this create's a rigid connection between the engine and the solid mounted MAF sensor to frame by bracket with a K+N? Best Maf pipes ? Not an issue. Tangent: Might look at the new setup Fullthrottle has with the late model MAF that bolts into the Pipe. Ya, it reguires a translator, but eventually you'll probably have to replace the MAF anyway. __________________ ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-13-2007, 09:30 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Just a Six?? What is the potential gain from the lightweight pulleys HP wise? Just thinking that they look nice but the added gain cant hurt! Winning is done by the attention to detail. I've run both his street, and race crank pullies, and yes there is some HP to be found. With both I was able to *slightly* reduce the amount of fuel needed during accleration, ie in accleration enrichment mode. Just a couple percent, but that's less fuel being wasted, and more throttle response. If you don't have a well dialed in tune, you'll probably not see any difference. __________________ ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-17-2007, 07:59 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Everything that can be bolted on, is, when I drop an engine in. Lately, I've taken to doing the engine and tranny as an assembly. Just makes access so much easier to do everything on a stand, and with the tranny on, dollies. Best to have an extra set or two of eyes for actually dropping it in. ------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-12-2007, 09:39 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by JBenn911 and the real Cindy Williams from MIT letter that started it all.. OK, then that CW ought to just rot for her lack of support for our Fighting Men, and Women. It's criminal, IMO, how people treat the military in such a manner. It's about the only noble profession left in America, and so many don't have a clue about what's at steak. Congress formulates a Resolution for War, and then there's those, that want to underfund the soldiers, that are willing to go into harms way. Oh, and we'll forgo the VA nonsense, since it's 4 days old and about forgotten. __________________ --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-06-2007, 11:35 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 All there is?. And yet you want to use the S-10 master?. Might hit the library at T6P and read up on some of the articles there on manual brakes, and conversions in general. My GN uses manuals, and late F-Body calipers/ rotors, and stops well, ie with a G-Tech SS, it closely matches that latest Vettes (non- ZO6). Quick reply to this message Old 03-07-2007, 07:08 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by More_Boost!! is that the one where they use a grand am Master? I better read that one again, been a while What is the best master cyl to use? is there a concensus on this? I should also mention this in not for my GN, but a 2800# race car As mentioned it varies, and with a 2,800# car you might have to experiment. At $30-45 a pop for a rebuilt M/C, it's not that expensive of project. Dave Morgans book *Doorslammers* also has some good data about brake pedal ratios, M/C bore sizes, etc.. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-10-2007, 08:48 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by More_Boost!! We expect to experiment, I just thought the S15 master would have been a good start. I'll post results once it's fiqured out. the current set up takes 2 men and a hairy boy to whoa it up... The manual brake *option* for the S-10s was a first year only, as I recall. I found one in a junk yard once, and the geometry was rather odd, again, it that was a long time ago. A Raybesto's Catalog, and Dave Morgan's book Doorslammers has a lot of good info.. __________________ ----------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-07-2007, 10:48 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by mzunino All right guys, I feel like all I do is ask for advice but here I go again. I am currently running MAG wires on my GN for no other reason than that is what the previous owner ran on the car. If you have done the research on this topic please share because I havent seen it discussed much. IMO, it's just if not more important to change them once in a while, rather then spending $$$ on them. It's the vibration from the engine running that fractures the innerds, and causes them to fail (usually). As far as resistance and other forms of hype, things *change* when dealing in 10's of thousands of volts. I make up a new set every year or so, and consider them just maintance items. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-08-2007, 07:11 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Think last time I took the heater hose assembly off. Heater Hose Assembly?. That's the problem, don't need no stinkin heater/ A/C. If you do, then your living in the wrong neighborhood....... __________________ -------------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 03-07-2007, 10:43 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Indian wife's name...... An old Indian was asked what his wife's name was. 'Wife name Three Horse.' That's an unusual name for your wife - Three Horse - What does it mean? 'It old Indian name - mean Nag - Nag - Nag.' --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-08-2007, 07:23 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by fullahotair Does anyone know what psi the hydroboost units run? I would like to replace the hard lines from the hydroboost unit with SS braided brake lines, but want to make sure they can hold up... Get them from a Hydroboost Supplier, so that you have someone to sue when things fail. I know, I know, I *sound* so anti hydroboost, but if you were to sit down and really research the system, you'd see why. The two biggies, are they just use excessively high line pressures to stop the car, and there's a devise called a *Spool Valve*. This Spool Valve, is basically, free floating within the master, and can *float/ stick* on, partically on, or slowly apply. None of which, IMO, are what you want in a high performance car. Not to mention that compared to a well designed system, they have little to no real feedback in what the brakes are really doing. ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-05-2007, 08:12 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood We need to find a means of rewarding and recognizing those select few that volunteer to defend this country. There seems to be a grass roots effort starting, within the VA right now. The outrage about Walter Reed is hopefully just a first step in the US forfilling it's promises to those that have served. After so many budget cuts, and broken promises, maybe, just maybe the care, they deserve will be forthcoming. *Supporting Our Troops* means so much more then the idle words, most folks think of. And it's hardly about just the Marines. All of the US fighting men deserve credit for their oaths, and actions. __________________ ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-06-2007, 09:38 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by firebird_1252 i havent moved or drove my car due to a wet ecm and the car running weird. any sugestions? What can happen is that water *wicks* into little voids, between the components on the Printed Circuit Board, and board itself. Also there might be some *salts*, which can turn conductive, when *wet*. Put a new known good ecm in it, and see what happens. If things are fine, then lay your old ecm in direct sunlight for a week or so, to get it to dry out. At the least sign of any problems, junk the ecm, it's not worth wasting an engine over a $50, IMO. Also, look to make sure there is absolutely no sign of moisture where the connectors plug into the ecm. Again, replace if in doubt. ****What can happen is that the chip responsible for the SEFI can get buggered, and then start firing injectors at the wrong time, and doing unexpected lean outs.**** Just like having the cam sensor 180 out, but much worse since it can happen randomly. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ----------------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 03-06-2007, 09:24 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 One nice thing about living near Dayton, OH, is that the AF Museum, is just a short hop down the freeway. With the latest building expansions most all, if not all the aircraft are now on display (including some early sates). Seeing the B-2, and FY-22, up close was just amazzin. Not to mention all the ole prop stuff, and slide rule era jets. --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-05-2007, 10:55 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Lead Sled Why would I be told that the ring gap needs to be looser on a hyper piston vs a forged one. I've got one forged piston engine running .024 on the top ring and .022 on the bottom. I was told I sould open the hypers up to .024 on the top & .026 on bottom, why... Some builders just have *pet* values that work for them. The safe answer is using whatever clearance spec., the ring manufacturer says. If you run on the high side EGT wise, then you might want to open that up a couple thou.. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-05-2007, 10:50 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Getchasum Got a question about duty cycle from a recent DS file. The wife's T was showing a 90% injector cycle at only 15 psi. The car has an old set of 36lb blue tops and has an old school push and pull fuel pump set up. The duty cycle seemed high to me and got me thinking maybe I might not be getting the fuel delivery I need, what's your thoughts..... For a stocker, that's about right.. Increasing the injector size, allows for reducing the DC. As you get to 90% and above, at higher RPM, things get more demanding. The current *hot set-up* seems (at least to me), to be using the 60/65 hi Z injectors. With them in, then monitor the FP at WOT, and see if the system is keeping up. A WB, and EGT would be handy for really tuning things in. And to monitor things as time progresses. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". ------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-04-2007, 09:46 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gnx6 I wanted to do some custom oil cooler lines with aeroquip fittings. I know the oil filter adapter is 1/2 npt size so I'm good there but on the radiator it is a type of flared fitting with the nut behind the flare on the line. Does anyone know of an adapter fitting that is available to adapt to the stock fitting inside the radiator to a -10 fitting? Thanks! You're talking about the stock rad, right?. Looks like 3/4"x16, O-Ring, with -10 on the other side. Earl's part no. 985009ERL Maybe someone will chime in to double check me. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-05-2007, 08:27 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 I just took the fitting I mentioned, and tried it in both the radiator, and adapter, fits correctly. -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-05-2007, 08:19 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by JDSfastGN I have a Zeitronix wideband setup. I figured i would ask here first. Say I have been driving for a 20 mins and pull off to get gas. Do I need to wait the 30 secs or so to warm up the sensor again. I know its still very hot but am not sure if it is recalibrating during this process or if i can just start it up and only have to worry about warming it up after it has sat and cooled for a while. The instructions are vague and really don't mention this. I know it uses the same Bosch sensor as the LM-1 so anybody using this may be able to offer advice. Thanks guys. BTW so far the unit is very nice and im very happy with it. From ambient, a WB takes as long as 30 secs., to warm up. Once the system has been warmed up, 10-15 should be about all it takes. It's when *ice* cold, and the *choke* settings of the EFI blow alot of fuel through the motor that *might* shorten it's life span. Or, from a really really bad startup *tune*. Sadly, some of the warm up *tunes* are really way too rich. __________________ ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-04-2007, 10:15 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by prostreet-ta I just came across Level 10 transmissions web sight. I saw that they carry 200r4"s with the level III PTS parts in them for $2,300.00. Does anyone have any experiance with Level 10 or have any feed back they could give me about them.The price seems really good if it has all the billet parts that are in Pts level III trans .Just curious? My GN was from MD, and supposedly has a Level 10 in it, er, did, put 35K trouble free miles on it, and it's now going in another car. No band/ clutch material layin in the pan, still shifting nice. It was a performance *stock* rebuilt, of some sort. I'm happy with it. ______________ ------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 11-08-2006, 09:33 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quick Start Installation Here's a series of pics about the mechanicals of installing the later 3x18 shutter rings on a 3.8. You have to use the later matching module. What this allows, is that while cranking, the modulel can synch up the coil firings, much faster, ie in 60d or less of crankshaft rotation instead of as long as 720d. The first pic is of the balancer, with the rear facings machined flat with the original flat surface of the balancer, and the *step* for the shutter rings to locate on. Then you can see how some of the oem holes had to be slotted, and how I did it by installing bolts from the front of the balancer. In the final pics you can see how the allen bolts hold it all together. Be sure to note the shutter locations in relationship to the key way!. You want the final product to be as close as possible, to the original. The later module has one extra wire that just dangles, it's the 18x input to the ecm. It's used for misfire detection on the later PCMs, and just isn't used on the 3.8. There are 2, 3x18 setups, on up until 96, and then 96 and later. IMO, the later ones seem to be a bit better. Before starting the motor, you want to check the side to side, and depth clearances of the shutter wheels to sensor. Attached Thumbnails quick-start-installation-balancer1.jpg quick-start-installation-balancer2.jpg quick-start-installation-balancer3.jpg quick-start-installation-balancer4.jpg quick-start-installation-balancer5.jpg quick-start-installation-balancer6.jpg quick-start-installation-balancer7.jpg quick-start-installation-balancer8.jpg __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Old 11-09-2006, 07:39 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofish38 Good info. Now I have a use for all of those NA balancers I've been collecting. I assume part 2 on the electronic end is coming. In other words you can use the stock crank sensor as the wire is there. All you need is the later ignition module. Is this correct? There are 3 different crank sensors. One is the TR version. Then there is an early, and late version, of the Quick Start. The early uses a set of 3x18 rings that are closely spaced, and the late (96 and later) uses a larger plastic crank sensor. The early sensor looks like the TR one, but has 4 contacts on it. The Quick Start crank sensors all have 4 connections since they read the inner and outter shutter wheels. The later sensor is a large gray plastic piece. For the electrical end, you need the correct crank sensor, module, coils, and harness. The pinout for the module has a different layout then the TR one, so you just need to match up the wires by *use*, ie Tan/Blk is the EST line, purple/red is ref low, etc., etc.. The late modules have one *extra* wire for a the x18 shutter wheel, for use in misfire detection, that's left unused. Oh, and once you get to the stage of starting the engine, you want to interupt the Tan/Blk wire to make sure the timing is set at 10d BTDC. If it's not, you can just allow for the error in timing table, ie knowing it's a few degrees fast or slow. Or better yet tell your chip guy, and have him correct the reference angle entry in the chip, so that your scanner reads correctly (I'm not sure how all the different scanners use the reference angle in their displays). If your patient, and try to be as accurate as possible, you shouldn't have more then a few (if any) degrees error. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-09-2006, 08:43 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Quick Toy Hope you don't mind if I post this Bruce. No problem. FWIW, in the new way of doing it, by machining the back of the balancer, it, IMO, makes it alot easier then having to make an adapter plate. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-10-2006, 09:03 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Quick Toy Here's the pinout doc. A pic of the two different balancers and shutter rings. The newer crank sensor pic. Paul Wonderful I've been moving, and spent some time today, hunting up the parts, and diagram to post that info.. Great pics, BTW! Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-11-2006, 01:47 PM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Oh, and BTW, if you want to do something code wise to interupt the EST line now, you can...... With the *old* module, you had to wait for the motor to spin around for as much as 2 revs before things would sych up, that delay no longer exists..... And, if you want to build a lil EST to point type signal converter, you can run any MSD timing controller you want. There will be a few injector firings in batch fire mode until you get a cam synch pulse. But, with the way that's figured in the oem code that shouldn't be a problem. Not to mention that any high load, the pulses are so long anyway, having a *split* in it, shouldn't matter (it would be no worse then an aftermarket ecm that works in batch fire mode). __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-04-2007, 11:03 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Turbo1dr Sorry to bring this thread back to life but I also converted over to the quick start ignition module. Sorry?.... You did an excellent job!. Thanks for doing all that work..... --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-20-2007, 10:37 PM #22 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Schlodes Just curious what everyones changed/done, and what your goals are when you get the cars out to run them. Bought a theft recovery SVO, and put a GN powertrain in it. Stripped it to the shell, and just built it *my way*. Just to go out and have some fun. 4.1L, mild mods, and really light 45A, 60 PPH injectors, alkycontrol.com..... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Old 02-21-2007, 07:08 PM #24 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Schlodes Doc - despite the bickering by some, that's gonna be a sweet ride when she's all done.. I def want to see pics of the completed ride I'm getting hyper about getting done now. It was finally warm enough to attack it again, today. It just amazes me, that when doing stuff on the GN I generally run into some overtime, but on the Stang, EVERYTHING takes 2x as long to do. Oh well, this whole week is supposed to be hald warm, so things should move long well. Yes, pics will be available.... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". --------------------------------------- #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood attachment Amen to the Spinal Cord comment. __________________ Quick reply to this message Old 03-03-2007, 07:05 PM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog So if the oil companies raised their prices to get record profits, people would.....shop at the other oil companies...no wait...its a monopoly..no competiton. I thought you righties believed in the FREE MARKET? just like the entire republican platform...all talk while you do the opposite. LMAO, take a lil stroll back and look at what Reno, and Clinton did for big corp mergers. LMAO, gotta love that long term memory of your's........ __________________ Old 03-03-2007, 07:41 PM #17 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog I guess that's the difference between you and I, I see the shortcomings in all the political leaders...not just the ones on the other side of the aisle LMAO, I just pointed the ones that worsened the problem, I wasn't looking at what side of the aisle they're on. It's laughable how you *think* you know what others are thinking. Talk about civil rights, ya, having Clark access some tanks from Ft Hood, was a first, and again, under the Clinton/ Reno era. Care to name a Rep President, were "state of the art" "Main Battle Tanks" were used against Americans, on American soil?. Interesting also, how in the *Buck stops here*, how Clinton let Reno just hang in the wind.... Just coincidence they were on the one side of the aisle, unlike Kerry, which seems to just flip flop from side to side. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-03-2007, 09:03 PM #22 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog I don't apologize, nor spin democratic f-ups. like Waco and the last war that was a mistake (johnson) and clinton signing the media bill LMAO, it's laughable how just stating fact, somehow is *spin* to you. It's amazing just how something as totally abusive use of power by letting a military tank being used by the FBI, gets OK'd by the Commander in Chief, gets a *who cares*, from you. Not to mention Reno's blessings in all of this. Ya, lots of cowards see war as a mistake, all you have to do is want to idley sit by and watch thousands die. Let's see so far you don't mind watching the Vietnamese, Kuwaiti, and Iraqii die, American Saliors die, American Fighter pilots be shot at. Who else don't you care about?. ______________ ----------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-02-2007, 10:18 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by ULYCYC But go ahead, listen to Gore, buy into it, drink the koolaid and join the cult. Al Gore will be laughing all the way to the bank in his private fume-spewing jet. He's probably getting a kick back on the koolaid. It's amazing how some politicians just seem to ride the wave, and no one demands any real answers to what's going on. __________________ ------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-01-2007, 10:09 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gbsean with media coverage of every indecent event imediate and the fact that the population has exploded...are thing any different than they were 20 years ago....you always heard of the weird neighbor or the funny preist or of that woman down the street....remeber what they used to say about Divorcees that they were hot to trot....female gym teachers.....my theory is pedophiles and child molesters have always been here just that due to the media and the rise in population it just seems worse than it is.....not that it is not a problem...it just appears to be worse than it was 20 years ago 20 years?, ya, some depending on where you live. 30 years?, most definetly. 30+ years ago, living outside NYC, you could leave your house unlocked cause, you KNEW all your neighbors, would be watching out for your interests. Ya, the kids would get a lil goofy with Holloween, but that'd be about it. Mom, was home, doing Mom, and rearing the kids. There was a min., amount of respect given to all, all the time. Cops were the good guys. Teachers, taught. *Dads*, IME, were about thinking in the long term. Schools, etc. were paid for as they went, not taxing for decades ahead for current policy failures. Yep, had Beatniks, and other drop outs, but they were happy to stay loaded, usually as their own finacnes allowed. Social Programs, were to help those that needed help, and no intended to become a way of life, for those that *opt* not to work. __________________ ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-05-2007, 08:13 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Try reburning the chip. I've had some that were sort of *flakey* that would code 42 for no apparent reason. Burning the same code on another chip cured it. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-17-2007, 10:26 AM #22 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Orlando_87GN I need to figure out in great detail what are _all_ possible causes of a Code 42. So far I have changed: Have you tried another chip?. Have you closely inspected the PROM socket contacts?. While most malfunction limits are listed in the code, the 42 is run by code, ie there are no hard limits on what is good/ bad, for a code 42. That's why it's such a booger to work with. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-17-2007, 02:00 PM #28 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Orlando_87GN I am headed out to the garage now to try another ECM and chip. Was just thinking about this a lil more, are you absolutely there's not some High Voltage arcing going on under the hood?. RFI can do a number on low voltage systems. Does turning the heater fan on cause a slight miss when driving or idling?. In addition to RFI, any A/C in the system can be hard to find, ie shorted output diode in the alternator. With all you've tried just trying to think of *odd* things that might be the problem. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-19-2007, 07:50 PM #36 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Orlando_87GN It's definitely some sort of timing/ignition issue. Yesterday when I was trying to start the car the boost gauge was jumping all around. Seems likes it's trying to fire when some valves are open. As for the RF, I just changed the alternator. The voltage is solid, lights don't flicker so I wonder if there could still be noise in the electrical system eventhough all seems healthy there? An A/C spike in the power supply lline can act like a dwell signal, and hence your *timing* issue. Not saying that it is, just explaining the how. The only real way to *see* A/C in a car, is with a good scope. While you typically think of the voltage beging pure D/C, it's not. The output from the diode bridge is a series of sine waves. It should be just the *high* sides of the sines, ie ^^^^^^ if you can imagine those arrows as being 1/2 a sine wave that would be what you're looking for. ^^^^^(^)^^^, inverting the one arrow in quotes, would be a shorted diode, and that improper neg voltage could be seen as a *dwell* signal..... Might try disconnecting the power to the altern., then heater fan, and go thru the system looking for an A/C source. Oh, motors with too short of bushs can arc, and cause an RFI problem. Sorry to get so obsure, but it seems like you've done all the easy stuff. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-01-2007, 09:59 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by NCC1701A Engine is a fresh rebuild. Need to redo head studs. Can I reuse the head gaskets that I already torqued down a few times? Engine has not been run, still sitting on the engine stand. Head gasket are still new . Head gaskets have been compressed, torqued to 90ft/lbs with arp studs. Safe to use or go get another set of the felpro 9441pt. I am thinking that they should be fine because they have not seen any heat. Let me know what you think. *few times*?. If you'd gone 85, and then wanted to do 90, I'd be OK with that. But, being at 90, and having cruched them a *few times* to the *max*, I'd go for new ones. ------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 02-24-2007, 04:30 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog we hate Hillary too. At least we know Cheney wants to rule the world, Bush wants to Christianize the world, but Hillary so far is more devious and deceitful about her intentions *WE*, LMAO. Looks like that *new* position has really gone to your head, LMAO. Got a credible link to support your *Bush wants to Christianize the world* comment?. And in you mention others, lying!, what a joke....... __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-25-2007, 08:54 PM #25 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog or maybe we can progress to a point where you don' t have to say you love Jesus in order to be president Got a source, for where Clinton every said that?. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-25-2007, 08:56 PM #26 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog What'd I say? this country hasn't progressed to the point that they'd vote for a black man for president. Maybe one wouldn't win the election, but there's plenty of people that seem to be willing to vote for Obama. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-28-2007, 10:20 PM #32 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Its just my opinion based on life experience. And just what life experinces, do you have relative to the pre civil right movement of the 60's?. Have you noticed just how major the changes have been?. Or are you looking at things in a single dimension?, ie no comparison to how things really have changed. ______ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-01-2007, 10:12 PM #43 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog That's a toss up.. The radical evangelical or the radical imperialist So, saith the radically uninformed. That's a swing and a miss for your spin for today. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 03-01-2007, 10:16 PM #44 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog I'm not as wise as you, no That's obvious, now, how about actually answering the guestion?. Let's hear about some of your life experiences that you claim have helped you to understand *others*. Please, you want to make a claim, let's hear about it. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ----------------------------- #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Musta been paying attention to Bruce. He was running it on his own car at BG last year. And, yes, we *talked*. His is an original, but, it was thought of, after a discussion at one of the other webs sights about what's legal for the various Buick classes. *I've never meet too much sparK*........... Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-05-2007, 04:55 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gbsean question...how would the waste spark being eliminated increase speed and HP..is it because there are unburned gases left in the cylinder igniting on the waste spark stroke? Less current/ voltage lose. Each coil is used to fire one plug, instead of two. Not to mention that if you really start splitting hairs, with a normal DIS system, your firing one plug from the center electrode to ground, and the other ground to center. If you poke around enough, you'll find that on some engines the difference is so profound, that two different spark plugs are used, since the erosion is so much different. It's this *erosion* is what forms the ion trail for the spark to follow........ A search would reward those that are curious about how much spark, I'm now running, and it does help. I think the title was 6 pack coil(s), or something like that. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-10-2007, 02:05 PM #21 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by ttypewe4jim My plan is to use the fast eletronic dizzy box here is a link for it and then run the ls1 coils also but its still in the works as I didnt get to working on the limited yet this year so far Ya mean like this?. You have to wire in a 1K ohm resistor where the coils usually go (so there would be 3 of them), the tie the *point side* of the resistors together, to feed to the eDist. Mounting the coils as shown will allow you to run the stock plug wires. There always used to be guys selling take off LS wires on some of the other lists for cheap. Quick reply to this message Old 01-10-2007, 02:15 PM #22 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by SloGN the front coil towers on the magnavox coil fires the conventional way. The conventional way is firing from the electrode to the ground strap. The rear coil towers fire in a inverse pattern. The inverse pattern is from the ground strap to the electrode. @ an idle with the denso iriduim plugs set @ a tight 32 the firing voltage on the conventional towers were @ 7.5-8K. The inverse towers firing voltage was 9-10k. So it seems to me that it takes more firing voltage to fire the inverse cylinders. I dunno if there is really a 40HP gain or not. But by having one coil per cylinder you will be able to open the plug gap up and not have to worry about blowing the spark out. If the magnavox set-up works great then i will move on to tring a twin type 2 set-up. RJC what i'm gonna do when i get this set-up completed is the coils/module place is gonna be on each valve cover so i can minamize the length of the coil wires. The reason for this is since there is gonna be more firing voltage there then the plug wires will then start becoming a problem tring to handle the extra firing voltage and cause accelerated plug wire breakdown. Also on your mega-pack set-up u are hot wiring the coils to the alt so they can have as much power as they can. also are you driving your mega-pack with a MSD- DIS box? While I'm not RJC, here's some pics of what I've been running lately. 6 GM Remote Coils off of TBI applications, and 6 ACCEL +300 CD ignition modules. When you start having *enough* spark, you can lessen the amount of total advance you need, since the flame front is that much stronger (faster). If one does some reading about flame kernels, ie Obert, and Dr Jacobs, they talk about the slow period of the flame propagation being from the intial spark until the kernel reaches a diameter of about .1". After reaching the .1" the flame front is moving so fast that the rest of the chamber cascades into the reaction VERY quickly. In some *rough* testing, ever .005" increase in plug gap works out to need about 2-3d less timing. That was working things out with a G-Tech, and using the oem knock detector. Quick reply to this message Old 03-01-2007, 10:38 PM #29 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by GNVYUS 1 Mike hinted at it being cost effective, which unfortunately, RJC's is not going to be. Wellllllll......... Not to get in the middle of this, but, cost effective means cost effective, vs, all out. It's going to be a matter of seeing how each performs, and what the customer's actual needs are. You can go plenty quick on the stock setup. One item not to confuse in all this, is relying too much on what you see working on V8's since they have a dwell time/ coil saturation problem at high RPM. With a v6 you have alot more dwell, at the higher RPM, so coil saturation isn't the *biggest* issue. __________________ --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-26-2007, 09:08 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by WiskeyJack I have Mototron 60 injectors is this enough injectors for a CPT66 ball bearing turbo or should I be happy with my CPT61 I drive 99% on the street and am looking for throttle response but don't want to run out of breath at 5800 I now have a 212/212 roller and a 3400 stall converter and Champ Irons. I got spanked by a little rice burner two years ago that had Nitrous before I got the motor built and don't want a replay with this setup I only had a stock bottom and heads I'm just going nuts to try out this new motor and all it's done from the time I got it from Jack is snow sounds nasty in the garage but need some good weather. Just how far do you want to push the tune?. How much fuel pump (ie other supporting equipment) do you have?. Might consider an Alkycontrol.com kit. A J+S Knockguard might be worth looking into. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-27-2007, 07:33 PM #15 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by WiskeyJack I've got an Armstrong pump thats hot wired I do have a CoolMist Alky system but reading between the lines of your answer I'm borderline. I go to a FAST system and 72's or 83's and be done with it. No need to cut corners especially on this stuff as I already found out what happens when you go lean and I was going to get a wide band O2 anyway. After you mention of spider cracking, EGTs might be an issue...... If you want to settle for just tuning what you have, you'll have a really strong street ride. TUning her up, is all I see you needing to do. A WB, EGT guage, and a tunable system is what you need. The Translator Stuff has the advantage of not letting you go **TOO** far before running out of adjustment. IMO, there is an advantage of not being able to go too far. Notes, documenting, datalogs, are where you might concentrate your efforts for the moment. __________________ --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-26-2007, 08:19 PM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator No joke, but I really feel that Hillary is Bi-polar and a SERIOUS threat to the presidency! She is a VERY intelligent person and has a HUGE political spin machine at her disposal. Did you guys know that "SHE" was on the prosecution team against Nixon? And during her college years was active with the ACLU. Now that's an organization folks ought to read up on. They're scarey..... And, now get Federal Funding....... Not to mention the Tyson deal, is all but forgotten. Not to mention there's never been any serious guestions about how she thought her job as first lady, included trying to scam a federal health care system together. All the serious details of that deal, were never mentioned to the public. Not to mention she shares the same contempt for the military that hubby did. His idiocy with wanting to turn over US Forces to the UN was probably alot closer to being executed then most people think. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-09-2007, 09:15 PM #20 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Hillary Clinton called Bill into her office one day and said, "Bill, I have a great idea! I know how we can win back middle America and secure my presidential victory in 2008". "Great, but how do you propose we go about that?", asked Bill. "Well", Hillary responds, "We'll go down to a local Wal-Mart, get some cheezy clothes and shoes like most middle Americans wear, and then we'll stop at the pound and pick up a Labrador. When we look the part we'll go to a nice old country bar in middle America, and we'll show them that we really enjoythe countryside and show admiration and respect for the hard working people living there." A few days later, all decked out and with the requisite Labrador at heel, they set off from New York in a westerly direction. Eventually they arrived at just the place they were looking for. With dog in tow they walk into the bar. They step up to the bar and the bartender takes a step back and says, "Aren't you Bill and Hillary Clinton?" Hillary answers, "Yes we are, and what a lovely town you have here. We were just passing through and Bill suggested that we stop and take in some local color." They then order a couple of cocktails from the bartender and proceed to drink them down, all the while chatting up a storm with anyone who would listen. All of a sudden, the bar room door opens and a grizzled old farmer comes in. He walks up to the Labrador, lifts its tail and looks underneath, shrugs his shoulders and walks out the door. A few moments later, in came another old farmer. He walks up to the dog, lifts its tail, looks underneath, scratches his head, and then leaves the bar. Over the course of the next hour or so, another four or five farmers came in, lifted the dog's tail, and went away looking puzzled. Eventually Hillary and Bill could stand it no longer and called the bartender over. 'Tell me", said Hillary, "Why did all those old farmers come in and look under the dog's tail like that? Is it some sort of old custom?" "Good Lord no", said the bartender, "Its just that someone has told them that there was a Labrador in this bar with two a$$holes!" __________________ --------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 02-25-2007, 09:04 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut I also have a question about relocating the MAF using the translator gen II, I was thinking about putting the MAF sensor in the straight section of my FMIC piping. It would be at a 45 degree angle to the ground though, and I am not sure that is OK to do?? The problem is that the Translator is looking to see temps., in addition to airflow, post turbo is going to be warmer, then pre turbo. Might ping Bob Bailey for his final say about if there is enough calibration in the Translator to allow for doing a blow thru MAF. Having the longest lengths of straight pipe, pre, and post MAF is good engineering. The less turbulent the airflow, the better the reading possible. Tilt off horizontial, has no bearing on it's readings. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-27-2007, 07:50 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by jdodman "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." "From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." All it would take is some long term strategies, that would prevent gifts from becoming, long term subsides. The *Great Society* sounded so great intially, but no one was interested in any long term solutions. __________________ ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-24-2007, 04:38 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 2badtys Hey guys i need some help with a smog does anybody know or hav anything that says that a translator is not smog ILLEGAL? I need to get my car smogged and i have a translator and having no luck getting it smogged or anyone that has a stock maf that i can buy or rent or anything? PLEASE HELP What's needed is documentation that it is Smog Legal, which doesn't exist. The Gummit in it's infinite wisdom, wants all non oem devises that can change the emission output of a vehicle to be C.A.R.B. approved. Now the feds have even gotten out of emission testing and have turned it over to those that can afford the testing, and red tape for approving items that can alter oem emissions. I'd suggest you get the stock pieces, and then work on building a legal combo., and keep that on hand for when testing is needed. Be sure to not draw any attention to the F/M either. Yep, a PITA, for sure....... __________________ -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-16-2007, 07:43 PM #15 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog she's doing okay. the attacks are unwarranted OK = shooting her mouth off, and wanting a better plane, yep, getting lots of serious and important things done now that she's such an important person. I think I'll register Dem., and vote along party lines, just to help folks screw up this great country as quick as possible, so that maybe the libs will catch on to the situations we're going for be facing. Hubby misses being a child molester, by a few years, convicted perjurer, yep, that's the kind of gal/ wife/ President. we need sending a *message* to the rest of the world. Oh and not to mention her (her meaning Pelosi and Hillary) hate and contempt for the military. Or that she's willing to work up secret plans that she's not authorized to, cause she *feels* like it. Yep, we need that mentality running the country. Forget National Security, just go for doing what feels good.... What was that old saying? *Actions speak louder then words*. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-16-2007, 07:44 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Zap Dear Nancy; Shut up, Bitch. Sincerely, Zap Yep... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-16-2007, 11:48 PM #22 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog zzzzzz. story debunked. Welcome to last week. what right wing blog to you get this $hit from. You spew it out as if fact, with nothing to back it up. Let me explain to you how to debate. 1. I say it is Bush who has contempt for the military, he intituted a back door draft, he cut the budget for traumatic head injury out of the military budget, and cut VA benefits. see how that works. I make a statement and then say what led me to believe it. here lets play again. 2. Bush is anti-national security.Not Pelosi. He would not institute the 9/11 commission recomendations for security. Pelosi did. So making blanket statement like you do just make you look like a hater. 1. If you want to say your using facts, show 'em. Here's a clue, Congress sets the spending, not the President. BTW, the term is underfunded since there's not been a fund *cut*. Got a link to suport your head trama claim?. Back Door Draft?, OK let's see some facts. 2. There is a plan already in place, the 9/11 commision drug it's feet for as long as possible to try and do something, and not blame anyone in the past for current failures (or did that exscape you?). The problems with the ME and the US go back for decades. Hate?, like you know the meaning of the word. Tossing words around the net, is hardly even on the table for being meaningful. Lots of kids hate their parents, teachers, etc., etc., men hate those that attempt to kidnap them or their families. Men hate those that are willing to violate civil law, and ruin communities. Men hate, those that murder and kill their friends, neighbors, and country men. Hate is so overused that all too people toss the word around like the word *if*. "BTW Your wrods "2. Bush is anti-national security." "So making blanket statement like you do just make you look like a hater." One has to laugh at how your so willing to point fingers at others, all the while committing the same *sin* as you accuse others of. Thanks for the laughs. Nice word useage, maybe you can grow up enough to get out of having to rely on 4 letter words to try and make your *point*. Again, thanks for the laughs..... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-17-2007, 09:38 AM #29 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Avoiding the issue that Bush doenst support the troops, just keep bringing up pet projects that Pelosi has to prove it. (makes no sense) *A* try rereading the name of the thread. This thread is about Pelosi, well at least it was intially. How can you prove a lie?. You statements about Tresident Bush not supporting the troops is a lie. BTW, please note, Congress approves what's spent for what, not the President. You really might try picking up a copy of an American Government Text Book, and try catching up on some of the finer points of how your government works. BTW, care to admit to how much you support the troops?. Care to list your donations to say the DAV/ Am Vets, etc.?. If your willing to take others to task for their lack of support, lets hear about how much you actually support them. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-17-2007, 09:47 AM #30 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Sounds like a good voting record to me. She was right-all y'all were wrong. SAddam had no weapons and wasnt a threat to the US. IRAQ IS NOT PART OF THE WAR ON TERROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! Good Nancy LMAO, thanks for the laughs. I'm just so thrilled that in hindsight, you were right. Trouble was, at the time SH was more then willing to play the part of a Thug. BTW, remember DS?, where he invaded Kuwait?. *Good*, not to be confused with doing the right thing, or what's in America's best long term interests. It's amazing how easily you trivialize the lives of the Iragiis. It's sad seeing someone like yourself indorse someone like SH, in the gasing of his own people. Or can you somehow excuse his killings as somehow being just?. Oh, and try remembering just how much the Anti-Bush, hated the military. Remember Kerry?, now there's another piece of work, that you refuse to read up on. Again, it's amazing just how poorly informed you are, and yet feel free to comment so freely on matters you simply refuse to read up on, other then in 1 paragraph press releases. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-17-2007, 09:29 PM #32 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gothmog Why do I even bother with you? Your justification for invading Iraq is the Kuwait war? That is over. and Kuwait was stealing Iraqs oil anyway. But like I always say. Any Bush shortcoming is NEVER addressed, it is met with attacks. Like saying you should support the troops. That wasnt the issue. You wacko right wingers are at a total loss if you can't create a boogeyman. So I watch you defend Bush by attacking Kerry, Pelosi, Hillary etc, as if that means anything. You actually think that attacking them is like hurting me or my position. You know how to confuse a neocon? Have a real conservative attack Bush. They dont know how to react since the standard defense of Bush is attack Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. So when someone with conservative clout like John Dean criticizes Bush, you can watch a right winger's head explode. Sorry I broke my new years resolution. It won't happen again I'm out LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, talk about having a limited and selective memory...... Remeber who was flying the no-fly zone, and being shot at?. Here's a clue, American pilots were being shot at. Got a clue about what it means to shot at American Aircraft?, or is that *fine* with you?. Without inspectors, looking at his facilities, no one knew for sure at the time what the statise was of the Iraq WMD programs. Here's another clue, allegedly were stealing. There was no agreement agrement about who owed who how much, if you dare to recall, the Iranians summarily said the Kuwaiteee's owned them money for *stealing* the oil. Nothing would hurt you, your so deep into denile you haven't a clue about the truth or what is going on other then reading a few net Press Releases. Oh, and another clue is, there is nothing to compare to Bush to other then those the have chosen to run again him. All the dems want to do is be anti-Bush at any cost, without care or worry for the long term effects of what they do. Well, at least once again you admitted to being sorry, which is one thing we can agree on, politically, since you refuse to aim yourself with any meaningful facts. BTW, still waiting on the links you claim to have for your past statements. Well if in fact they are factual, and not just more hate filled nonsense.... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote ---------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-24-2007, 04:24 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Hissin' Buford I noticed awhile back that my aftermarket sway bar is up tight against the gear box bottom...I am sure it wasn't like that when I first installed it, prolly about an inch clearance after initial intallation. Since I am getting side to side rocking during hard acelleration I wonder if somethings screwed up with it? I did check the bolts and they are still tight. I had a thread a while back about the rocking back and forth and had come to the conclusion the posi clutches were shot maybe (they wern't broken in too properly). I think there could be some suspension binding contributing to the rocking due to the sway bar being tight against the rear punkin. Any body have issues with this before or any input? TIA. There is a gottcha, to the G-Body rear suspension. If you look closely at the way the 4 link is set up, you'll notice that under any degree of roll, the axle has to rotate, and move side to side. It's not a large amount, but it does exist. This motion is kinda handled by the oem type sway bar. BUT, at the expense of binding up the suspension. That's why the bar tries to move, and can auger out it's mounting holes. IMO, for a street car the best answer is going to a Heim/ Poly combo on the lower arm, and then just good bushings on top, with a Bar that divources it's loadings from the lower links. HR Parts N Stuff Rear Bar is one such answer. And this isn't to say you don't have some diff issues, or other suspension member that's out of whack. (All Heim would be best, but that transfers ALOT of suspension noise into the car, and in the long run can stress fracture things). __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-24-2007, 05:03 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Hissin' Buford This is a prime example of what happens when the combo isn't well rounded in all areas. Don't have to tell me about that....... One other item, is getting the car scaled, and seeing how the weight is distributed. While kinda a PITA without coil-overs, using different thickness spring isolators, can help to balance things out. A good rear bar will prevent the car from climbing up on itself, but if the corner weights are way off, it'll still be a handful. __________________ ----------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-23-2007, 07:26 PM #11 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofabricator itty-bitty pieces! PC engineering terms?. I've used an AN Bulkhead fitting, in the side of the pan, but spacing is really tight. You have to keep the return above the oil level under ALL conditions. Instead of welding and warping things, I got things spotless, and JB Welded it all together. Worked just fine for years. Oh, and yes -10.... ---------------------------------- Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-23-2007, 07:32 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by turbofish38 Kim Jong-il ... not happy. And to think he's got nukes...... But, according to some there's no problem with that. -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-19-2007, 07:36 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by colinc I've got a warning light up on the dash that suggests the alternator is not charging. ['79 Regal Turbo] The really weird thing is that it stays on if you switch the ignition off, and remove the key! Only way to put it out is to disconnect the battery, anyone any ideas? A shorted alt. diode will do that. Off hand I can't think of another explaination. __________________ ------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 02-22-2007, 07:59 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut I was doing some pondering for a future project and was wondering if anybody here knows what stock ECU, if any, would make a good base for a fuel injected turbo v-8? I was thinking possibly an ecu/harness from an older TPI camaro or corvette? Anybody got any info on this? Go here and read up on the EBL. http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/diy-prom It's a GM ecm that's been highly modified, and recoded. A MAP based OBDI harness would be a good source for the harness, and sensors. The Syclone 1227749 can be used in V8 applications, but it has some minor issues, that the EBL doesn't. __________________ --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-21-2007, 11:30 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by CallMeMud Man is it out of hand: What's the surprise?. With this rampant *Love of Money Disease*, running unchecked, I'd expect this to happen. While everyone wants to point at everyone else, all too often, most people are contributing to the problems they complain about. Heck, even the Supreme Court is infected. Who every thought the gummit would be legally able to steal your house to develope a shopping center. And it'll get worse...... __________________ ------------------------------------ Quick reply to this message Old 02-21-2007, 06:55 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gbsean http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2018014,00.html *Retreat* is easy, anyone can leave a job undone. I wonder what Merry O;e England would be like now, if we did that to them during WWII. Well Winston, we just losing too many liberty ships, and War Bond Sales are down, so we're going to just bail on ya. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-21-2007, 10:41 PM #10 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by gbsean do you remeber the Battle of Britian...the U.S. was not involved..that was the turning point of the war in Europe...plus the fact that Hitler decided to open up a second front in Russia...Yes the US helped...but England would still remain ENGLAND....I never said Americans were hiding...but hearing it from my aunts and uncles that had to leave their families to avoid being bombed is another story...I am not anti American...but most American has a twisted view of history...having grown up in the English School system thru 8th grade and then going thru high school here there is taught a completly diferent view of thew world..P.S. I will still sell you methyanol Geesh, now your acting like each element of WWII took place in a vacuum bottle with no effect for outside sources. In History the winner gets to write the final review. I doubt that it is even possible to write an unbiased history of WWII. Every author is going to infuse his views (some alot more then others) into his writtings. FWIW, rationing, wasn't usiversally as bad here in the states as it was in Europe. I've know a few people that were in Europe during WWII, on both sides, and everyone suffered, to support the war. One of the good points about the American War effort was that we weren't fighting the war on our own soil. Second, was that it was great for the economy (here). The Manhattan Project had a profound effect on the economy. Being able to build the dams for making AL, was an incredible *good thing*. But, in areas gas, and food rationing played heII on the locals. I can appreciate the suffering involved, on all sides. War is never to be taken lightly. __________________ ----------------------------------- #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 I'dd found a fan from some Honda, years ago, and played with trying to get it to work.... An electric fan just can't pump the air a mech one can, from what I've seen. So while it helped a lil while staging/ waiting when it really mattered, ie at low vehicle speeds it was useless comared to the mech one, and at high end speeds really fell behind. Mostly done SOP testing, since I didn't have the datalogging ability back then. __________________ -------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-20-2007, 07:22 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by tom h the ability of an oil to quickly provide lubrication during cold startup and until the engine is warmed up, seemed especially important to me, for a normal street-driven car. Typcially, in a well designed oiling system, within about 1/2 turn of the oil pump, oil is flowing through the system. As far as low temp vis., it also means it drips off the bearings much better, so there is less oil on the bearing when it first spins. Brand name, *fresh* oil is all you need, if you want the best then you want Racing or some other off road use oil, where they still have the old anti-scuffing agents. --------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-20-2007, 07:11 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 81malibu what size does the oil drain tube have to be for a stock turbo? .5" ID, ie -10AN. -------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 02-18-2007, 08:55 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Credit Score OK, so just how do you build up a great Credit Score?. Use CCs to the max monthly, and pay them off on time?. Is it just a matter of time, and use for CC to develope a *pattern* of prompt pay. Be late, and pay some interest, once in a while?. Does paying off a loan early, help?. Obviously, staying current on other items on your reports. Asking for credit limits increases?. Is percent of income vs rent/ payments count?. Any other ideas, tips, or ideas?. Is there a listing somewhere of what the actual points break down is for, reguarding your *score*. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-18-2007, 09:21 PM #3 (permalink) TTA89 I want a Z06 TTA89's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Pahk the Cah Posts: 5,751 Send a message via AIM to TTA89 Send a message via MSN to TTA89 Send a message via Yahoo to TTA89 There is no secret trick to having a high credit score, its actually really easy but difficult for some people to grasp. 1. Pay your bills on time, don't be late! Even if you make the min payment, having late payments on your report KILLS your score. 2. Don't max out your credit cards! Keep your credit card debt under 10% of your total limits. IE if you have a 10K limit, don't keep more 1000 bucks on your card. High balances on your CC's KILL your score. 3. The longer your credit card trade lines are, the higher your score. They show that you can maintain credit and pay it (hopefully on-time) for long periods of time. 4. Credit Inquires - How many times your credit has been checked, don't apply for 100 credit cards at the same time. Each Inquiry run on your credit hurts it by a few points. Although Inquires stay on your credit report for 2 years, they only could against you for one year. Thats honestly all there is too it. If your late, if you run high balances, or have lots of new credit debt your score will suck. The worst possible thing you can do is be late with credit card or loan payments. Its so simple, yet difficult for lots of people to understand for some reason? Your income has nothing to do with your credit score, neither does the amount of debt you have if its in line with the credit limits that you have. If you owe 20K in credit card debt and a total of 25K limit, this will drag your score way down. If you owe 20K in debt and have $500,000 total limits then its not going to hurt you because the ratio of debt to credit limit is low. Don't ever close a credit card that you have had for a long time, it will only hurt your score because its deleting a long history off your report. Get it? Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-18-2007, 09:23 PM #4 (permalink) TTA89 I want a Z06 TTA89's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Pahk the Cah Posts: 5,751 Send a message via AIM to TTA89 Send a message via MSN to TTA89 Send a message via Yahoo to TTA89 Quote: Originally Posted by beachbum My credit is excellent because of these reasons. I have been steadily employed with the same company for 22 years...because of a divorce I have had to pay off my house twice, so the lending institutions see my house is paid off so that is viewed as collateral...I have been contributing to my RRSP fund for 20 years so that is viewed as collateral as well...I pay all my bills on time...I have the financial institutions grovelling at my feet to lend me money. Employment and contributing to any kind of funds have nothing to do with your credit score. Showing a paid mortgage is good, its better if its been paid over a long period of time rather than taken out and then paid off in a year. Paying off a 15 year mortgage with no lates over 15 years is looked at as a lot more positive than a 15 year mortgage paid off over 2 or 3 years. Lenders will look at your employment history, income, etc as other criteria for lending you money but if your talking about your credit FICO score none of those things come into play. __________________ -Mike 2006 2500HD Silverado - More TQ Than Your Buick Turbo Trans-Am, TurboBuick, and other fun cars I used to own. TTA89 is online now Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-18-2007, 09:29 PM #5 (permalink) TTA89 I want a Z06 TTA89's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Pahk the Cah Posts: 5,751 Send a message via AIM to TTA89 Send a message via MSN to TTA89 Send a message via Yahoo to TTA89 Scroll down to the section about calculating your FICO score. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_score Now don't be confused thinking that a high score will get whatever you want. Its possible to bring your score up but if your looking for a house or something like that the lenders only use your score as part of the puzzle to approve you for a loan. ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-13-2007, 11:17 PM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by grey1 Mortgage Foreclosures. Most are husband & wife. I can't understand why these people would purchase a $350k home....have multiple credit cards with lot's of debt on each one......and new vehicle payments.... They both have to be working, in my opinion, to be able to afford this to begin with. If one get's sick....say goodbye........If one get's laid-off.....say goodbye I have one neighbor that's behind 2 months on his house payment. I do not feel sorry at all for them. He is married, but he hasn't had a job in 2 yrs. He sit's at home watching the tube. Oh, after he drop's his youngest daughter off down the block for daycare. $150.00 a week. Variable Rate Mortages, in one reason. Some people didn't read what they were signing. Then there's people that don't have any *money sense*. Not many schools teach anything about handling money other then to how to do the math to balance a check book. __________________ Quick reply to this message Old 02-17-2007, 10:09 AM #13 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by firebird_1252 what are you talking about??unless your grandfather was making well over 200k a year and saved for a few years now you cant just buy a house cash.... Not at all, my Dad bought his first house in Levittown, NY, and in ~8 years paid it off. What you say, is true for nowadays, but at one time when people lived within their means, life was much more affordable. I wouldn't swear to what he paid, but as I recall it was about $4,000, and the last appraisal I saw on it was for $225,000. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-17-2007, 10:13 AM #14 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by CallMeMud Didn't get an answer to my question up there. How much of your income goes towards the mortage and is it at the right level for what you make? In the last year or so I've asked a couple loan officers that very guestion, and have yet to get a full answer.. It seems like each loan institution has it's own standards. One said up to 30% was OK, and one of the others was 15%. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-18-2007, 05:24 PM #22 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Gnfanatic Screw Levitown. I was going to buy a 3br, 2 bath ranch there for $340k Then I saw the property/school tax was $9000!!!! How so?? I did some reasearch and found out Levitown has one of the highest school/property tax in the nation! So suffolk county is looking better. Deer park seems to be pretty good. They need to cut the BS with the school tax here! Just shows what poor mangement does. When Dad bought a HOUSE there, it was $4K. I was just pointing out, that at one time houses were affordable, and the mortages weren't too impossible to pay off. But, now as citizens want the gummit to be all powerful, yep, taxes are going to get more and more rediculous. Just a matter of time, as people don't want to be accountable, that taxes rise. __________________ ------------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-17-2007, 09:51 AM #9 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by chrisgarrett46 Well, it occurred to me that it might be a puller, but it doesn't seem that it can be very effective being so small and with the engine so close behind it. I hate the damn thing. The blades are like razor blades and it blocks the balancer nut when I want to turn the engine. At 4,000 RPM that lil ole fan is pumping A LOT of air around. Install a MAT temp guage in the plenum, and then run around with and without the fan on a hat day. After even a short run it takes A LOT longer to cool things down without the fan. FWIW, I took off the fan and I/C, and added alky injection, and saw about the same results as running the oem stuff. But, had to carry a lot of alky around, and in traffic the MATs were kinda high. __________________ ---------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 02-14-2007, 08:08 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 What the Heck? What substance could have been in Waltrip's manifold that triggered such a huge fine?. The rule quoted is about *gasoline* being able to be mixed with something.... Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-14-2007, 08:54 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by beachbum I heard it was a performing enhancing substance...my bet would be steroids. My bet would have been Weight Watchers. ------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-13-2007, 11:26 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut I am really fighting with myself over to get a roller cam or not on my 4.1 build, since it is going to cost me a lot of money anyway. Do 4.1's have the same problems with cams as the 3.8's? If I get a roller cam now I can't afford a maf translator tell me what you think... It's always cheaper to do things right the first time. IMO, save and do the roller cam, and Translator together. With the new oil formulas, it's more important then ever to eliminate any cam lobe problems before they have any chance of starting. -------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 02-08-2007, 06:38 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by NothinYet No emissions for me !!! SO good, no cat! I do know that the exaust comes out the downpipe and then I have to meet it up with the rest of the exhaust, my primary focus was O2 sensors and cats. But seems like there is only 1 O2, which is GREAT, and then I can run NO cat. Which is better. I guess I will play the exhaust by "ear" quite literally. If it sounds like crap I can always change it. I know a good welder! While there may be no testing in your area, removing a cat from a car that originally had one, is illegal by Federal Law. You can put an O2 about anywhere within 9' of the engine, as long as it's a heated one. Non-heated ones need to be closer, since they'll rely on EGT to keep them hot enough to work. ONLY use a straight thru type muffler. If you can find an ATR Single Hot, you'll have a *pattern* to work from. I run two conventional type straight thurs, and have a nice sounding, fairly quiet setup. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." ------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-10-2007, 04:19 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Long Duk Dong Rules for the Hybrid class are up for review They will be going onto the class rules page sometime toward the end of the week if no other changes are made. Thank you for your time. What a set of dorked up rules..... 3,600# min weight, no lexan?. No CNP Gads who makes this nonsense up?. (yes, safety items are necessary) It's hybrid, meaning to cross breed things. ie light if the guy wants it light, or crossbreed to take advantage of *new technology*. Honest to goodness, it seems like the *Powers to be* have forgotten what run what ya brung, or built means. IT'S HYBRID, which is all about being creative, using lame rules in a car that's being built to be different is nonsensical. If someone's building a car to fit a particular class fine, let then build it to fit the rules, but in this case it's about cars that are done. If you want to have more then 1-2 cars, fine stick to the nonsensical rules you have. I'll stick to test and tune, and just having fun. It just looks like another reason to run at the Nats...... I was looking forward to a class that reflected creativeness....... Ya, TR are fun, but so are hybrids, IMO. Not to mention I'm sure there's a few other guys like me, that would/wound up building a hybrid so as to not have to cut their car up, or make it impractical for daily use. Again, it looks like another good idea, killed by *The Powers to be*..... And people just wonder why Street Racing takes place. Thanks again for nothing!. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-10-2007, 06:53 PM #18 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by dlevey I took a quick look at the rules, The one rule that makes no sense is the weight issue, why would any one want to build a hybrid that would would weigh as much as a buick ? Mine has a stage motor with aluminum heads and weighs 3480 with driver so I am out, in all honesty as much as I like the heads up idea it is just not practical, with the rules as they are the only hybrids I can think of that would be legal are that four door caddy and the impala ss, I don't see where anything other then just letting them run exibition passes, would make sense. The *RULES*, do nothing but kill off creativity, which is a 180 from what building a hybrid is about. __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-10-2007, 07:57 PM #21 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Budd Tell them how you really feel Doc! .. Although I do agree with you. It seems things just took a turn like when they started Bracket Racing. It was supposed to be a cheap way to go racing. In just a matter of couple years it was again as much a money battle as any of the class racing. It just kinda burns me, for a moment I had a chance of making a pass with a car at BG. I see a lot of friends at BG, so will be going anyway, but it'd be fun to spend a few bucks and make a couple passes. I really enjoy looking at cars like the Caddy with the GN powertrain, John's Cobra, the Metro, the RX7, that were there last year, and in may ways they're more creative then some of the race cars. Seems like the race cars are almost clones of each other. The rules are such that it's just a cookie cutter set of classes, IMO. I'm not slighting the workmanship or devotion that the class guys devote to their cars, it's just I think having a class to show case originality is something to promote, not stiffle. It's like the whole concept of organized racing is being lost. It was first and foremost to get guys off the street. Now most all the cars are really expensive. Whereas with a test and tune type venue, it's about having a blast with a car you've built to just have fun with. Ya, there's always some $$ hybrids, but excluding so many of them because of excessive rules is just -------- nuts. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-10-2007, 08:07 PM #22 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by dlevey exhibition passes are ok, thats all I am into any how. The "powers to be" as you put it should be thanked for just trying to come up with a class that we can race in, at the BPG event I think there was even some sort of issue with letting a Buick powered rail into quick 16 Thank them for first offering a test and tune format, and then making up so many rules as to kill the class?. Trying to form a legit class for something like hybrids is like designing a horse by committee, ie you wind up with a camel. I was looking forward to being able to make a pass at the Nats...... Not to mention maybe more guys being creative, since they wouldn't have to taylor their cars to what others think they should be like. But, feel free to ignore me, with the dwindling turn outs (or so it seems [spectator wise]) over the years, I'm sure the Powers to be have things well in hand. Other venues are growing by leaps and bounds, the Nats are just still a hoo hum event. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-11-2007, 10:21 AM #26 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 My idea of rules would be: Hybrid Street Class ? HSC General ? Heads-up ? Beech Bend Raceway track safety technician personnel will make all rulings on track safety related items. ? Any entrant caught trying to deliberately break the rules will be disqualified from the HSC class. This class is for ?Hybrid Street Cars? that are tagged and registered to be driven legally on the street. This means that all lights will work, a current tag and registration, D.O.T legal drag radial tire. Body ? Any mass production model from any manufacture is allowed. ? Any Regal entering this class cannot have been originally equipped with a turbo motor. Chassis ? Seat belts, lights, and windshield wipers must be operational. ? All factory headlights must be in place during competition. ? Helmet required. Cars must pass track safety inspection. ? Car should possess all applicable safety equipment for potential ET/speeds attained. ? Stock windshield required. ? Brake system line locks allowed. ? Drive shaft safety loop required. ? Driver's name and club decal on side/quarter windows allowed. Sponsor/vendor decal is acceptable on the rear window. ? A maximum of 2 hood mounted gauges are allowed. Engine ? Buick Type V6 block ? Any valve covers and oil pan allowed. ? Factory stock appearing type throttle body required. (Aftermarket replacement stock style TB allowed up to 70-mm.) ? Any crossover pipe allowed. ? Any single or dual exhaust system allowed. Turbo ? No CO� or electronic waste-gate or actuator controls allowed. Intercooler ? Air-to-Air intercooler allowed. ? No intercooler external spray cooling. Engine Management & Fuel System ? Stock ECM or aftermarket DFI system allowed. ? Any intake air induction system allowed. ? Any MAF sensor is acceptable as well as translators. ? Any internal or external fuel pump(s) are allowed. ? Voltage increasing and fuel pump hot wiring devices are allowed. ? Any type fuel pressure regulator allowed. ? Any fuel injectors allowed, 8 maximum. ? Gasoline (Race and pump fuel.) as well as alcohol injection allowed. Engine Compartment ? Any engine compartment dress up allowed. ? Battery, one (1) only and it may be in any location. ? Any type electric engine cooling fan required. ? Any radiator allowed. Transmission ? A GM transmission required. (solenoid operated shifters allowed.) ? Any size torque converter acceptable, with or without lock-up. ? Any transmission oil cooler and pan allowed. ? Any trans-brake allowed. Tires & Wheels ? Tires must be a D.O.T approved drag radial and be stamped as such. Tires must have a minimum tread depth of 1/32 of an inch and are subject to re-check at any time. Interior ? Any additional aftermarket gauges allowed. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-11-2007, 01:47 PM #34 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Long Duk Dong This is why I asked for help with the rules. No one said sh*dt until they were posted and now everyone has an opinion on how they suck. Your earlier posting infered that it was that they were just going to make exhibition/ test+tune passes. It seemed all that would required was just following the NHRA safety regs.. You used the word *suck*. BTW, I did post what I saw as being a revised set, that would be inclusive, rather then exclusive. __________________ Quick reply to this message Old 01-11-2007, 01:53 PM #35 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Long Duk Dong So what if we create a 9.99 and quicker index part of the class and apply these rules to the 9.99 and quicker portion? Hybrid Street Class ? HSC (9.99 and quicker) Seems like your bound and determined to make a lot out of it. How about first setting it up to be as inclusive as posible, and THEN DEPENDING on the actual turn out, THINK about MAYBE making up different classes..... Just have the cars safety legal for the ET's/ MPH they run. Having an excess of rules for a class of cars that's supposed to be inviting creativity, is counter productive, IMO. Like you've acknowledged, this class is about having FUN!!!! __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-11-2007, 07:36 PM #38 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Long Duk Dong I am not exacty sure what you mean by that but being that this is the net I am not going to try and read anything into it. That is the game plan at this point. Once we have a car count and get everyone together for a drivers meeting we can sort it out. Who knows what will happen but I am sure someone, somewhere for some reason will walk away with their azz on their shoulders. Such is life...... I am sure obvious issues would be no brainers. The biggest issue that I would forsee is the roll cage issue that always rears it's head. Other than the safety loop, helmet and other issues that are included in the rules already the 10.00 class is set. As for the 9.99 class that is something that we need to figure out. If we use peer tech who is qualified to tech? Ya can't just get a rule book and begin tossing stuff out there as then you are going to find that there will be one h*ll of allot of cars getting the boot. What rules are going to be applied and how. Things to think about. It is about fun but I am not about to pair up an 11-second daily driver with a 9-second track car that happens to have a tag on it. That is in no way fair to the person who put just as much time and effort into their car. I don't see anything wrong with indexing the classes as I can think of 8 vehicles right off the top of my head that are in the single digits. I can also think of at least that many that are daily driven 10-second and slower daily drivers. Bracket racing is out as the majority of the ones that spoke up were the ones that asked for a heads up race program for street cars. As such we are left with indexing the class and this is the closest solution that I can come up. So where do we stand now? Jim C. The way to get cars *out*, is by making the rules as inclusive as possible. ie no lexan windows, why?. If the front glass is oem (safety glass) then who cares?. Lexan for most cars is a minor/ cheap modification. 3,600#?, that eleminates any light weight car, which most foreign shell are. I dare say most hybrids are built to go fast, and the biggest enemy of going quick is weight. Tranny brake?, who really cares?, only the guys trying to run really fast. As far as the cage goes, the lighter the car, the less kinetic energy would be involved in a crash, and then the weight issue flows over into being safety related. IMO, a *NHRA Roll Cage* should be enough for into the 9's. I'd be interested to see how many cars faster then 9s would have the operating lights, W/W, tags, etc.. Intercoolers?, why limit them?. If someone want to deal with the extended intake tract lenght, on a *street car*, fine by me. If you look at what NOPI has done, they ran some *lose* rules, and then as the sport has taken off, offered more and more classes, and now are to the point of inviting American Iron to run. IMO, all too often people try putting the horse in front of the cart. Not to mention neither you nor I are going to come up with a rule for street cars, that keeps everyone happy. BTW, I'm not running an *iced I/C*, transbrake, or even have a burning desire to win. But, I'd like the *priviledge* of making a few passes, against other hybrids. Not to mention that with all the other classes ruling out as much hi tech stuff as they do, why not allow it in the Hybrid class(es)?. CNP, can be done cheaply, Dissies?, why not?. Let's try something other then low tech'ing. What's wrong with *mispairing*, I thought this class was about *fun*. How about, instead of classes by speed, have them by Crowd Favorites, or best engineered (as opposed to most money spent), most creative, yada, yada. There are always going to be a few guys unhappy about what you do, but, IMO, why not at least try getting the *class* up and going. I think we kind of agree on that much, just that I want loser rules so as to get more cars into the playing field. __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message -------------------------------- Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-07-2007, 06:55 PM #5 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Yullose Looking for solid ideas... using the factory ECM, and existing parts in my sig. Also, I just bought a dual nozzle alky kit from Julio, and another TT chip from Eric. I'm not too familiar with the newfangled stuff Mike Licht is now marketing. Can someone put in a nutshell, what I would need to make this change to wideband controlled fueling ? Exactly what parts do I need ? And... how user friendly are they ? I can't decide if I want to spend the $$$ on a setup like this, or buy another AR15. Might just go browsing at Mike's site and read up as much as you can. Might even do some searching here, for info on the MAFT. IMO, long term nothing beats using a WB. Which will you get the most enjoyment out of?. Now if it had a full auto select, and unlimited ammo, then it'd be a no brainer..... *Cheapest* often just means doing it twice (and spending even more then your ever thought)... __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-06-2007, 11:44 AM #2 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 87bigcut but is going mafless a big step up compared to a newer maf? Depends........ Some drivers can't tell the difference, and for some it's like day and night. For me it's day and night. In the grand scheme of things, the real difference between the two is minor. The real difference deep down low, is that MAF (in the early codes) has an error, in that it reads all air flow thur the engine, BUT some of that airflow is just for changing vacuum levels in the plenum. So any transistions from steady state to opening the throttle more, will have an error. The best system will use both sensors, but the down side is it would be much more difficult for some *tuners* to get used to. ------------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-02-2007, 09:17 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Turbo_Tim I dislike these cameras because one is not able to confront his accuser, a right I thought was covered under law.. And, like when the state steals your car without due process?. I don't mind seeing a drug dealer lose his house and car, but only AFTER due process. The Constitution etc., are now just general guidelines. __________________ -------------------------------------- Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-03-2007, 10:56 PM #19 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Zap I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but hey, my suspicions are being confirmed............ Without Russia waving it's nukes, we gotta have something to worry about. The *herd* needs to stay focused on these impending disasters so as to stay manageable. Keeping them alarmed by such things as terrorists, global warming, etc., allows the gummit to slowly erode any unity that the herd may develope. With so many different agendas out there, they can keep everyone off balance or worring about themselves rather then what would the best things to do in the long run. Notice how no one mentions what easing of the *carbon* generation would do, it more complex then just not increasing the green house gases. Hmmm, I wonder how acid rain figures in all of this, you know acid rain, it's from coal burning generators, not cat converters like they originally thought, or is it?. There ain't no free rides, there are always two sides to an equation.......... __________________ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-04-2007, 01:11 PM #27 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by The Radius Kid I knew you were more than just another "pretty face". You're starting to worry me........ LOL __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Doc1of7 is offline Report Post Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-04-2007, 01:14 PM #28 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood I bet Kerry's yacht does more damage to the ecology that all the turbo regals ever built. Greenies have killed more people than Al Queda has. Of course, crackheads kill more people annually than does Al Queda..... Not to mention the Space Shuttle, and any other space craft. I'll agree with ya on that. I'll agree with ya on that. __________________ ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-03-2007, 07:54 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 8d7 gn Is there anyway to check Drivers in the ecm? Yep, you have to build an ecm test bench, to find other then those that have completely failed. It supplies the proper inputs, and then you can analyse the outputs. Drivers usually start failing at long Pulse Widths, at high RPM. While they can fail completely, a Noid light would show that. A cheap NOID light can be made with a LED, and 1K ohm resistor. Just have to watch the polarity on the LED. __________________ ------------------------------------ Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-01-2007, 08:53 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by chrisgarrett46 Can someone please tell me why the 15x7 Welds at Jeg's show two bolt patterns for one wheel. Does that mean the wheel fits either size? Look real close...... There are 10 lug nut holes. Yep, fit either pattern. Gotta watch out some dual pattern wheels have *offset* cams, that allow for dual pattern wheels. ie the *cam* fits in an a elongated hole and one way is one pattern and the flip is the other. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-01-2007, 09:19 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by chrisgarrett46 I didn't notice that it had ten holes. Can you confirm that the 15x7 and the 15x8 will fit front and rear with a 3.5" backspace. I've run that wheel combo with 4" BS, in the past. Kinda depends on how much tire you want to run, since the cross section *can* be alot wider then the rim, and run you out of clearance. Figure out what tires ya want to run, and do a search, there are lots of BS tire, size threads. __________________ ---------------------------------------- Old 02-01-2007, 07:03 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Just thinkin OK, the victim is gonna weight about 2,750# ready to go. 4.1L 87'ish engine. Small intercooler. Alky, and 60's 206/206 cam Ported, and EGR ex ports filled, and recontoured. HD stock type tranny rebuild restalled stock converter (just for baselining) TE-45A A Stage I is in the works, but that's down the road, and all mods are based on the eventuality of that engine. While the converter and turbo are sort of *off*, eventually they'll be right. I'm not one for running alot of RPM (5,600 max) since I like lots of reliability, this is a **TRUE** street car. My guestion is: I have my choice of starting with 3.23s or 3.55s, and then fine tuning with tire OD to get things really dialed in. With basically 26s, 28s, to choice from what do you think the best gearing to start with would be?. TIA __________________ "News is like hot soup, it's meant to be sipped. if you swallow a big mouthful, you'll get burned". "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints." Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-02-2007, 09:07 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 I hadn't even thought of 3.08s coming into play..... Thanks, for the replies!. --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 02-01-2007, 09:22 PM #19 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by chrisgarrett46 The wires on the Innovate Lc1 are very small (maybe 24s). I cannot find a heat shrink that small. What do you do with wires that small? There are 2 styles of heat shrink. One has a shrink ration of 2:1, and the other 3:1. You might try looking at Partsexpress.com, they have lots of soldering aids, wire, etc.. __________________ --------------------------------- LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes Old 11-29-2006, 08:14 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Doing Twins For a street twin turbo setup, what sounds reasonable (turbo wise)?. Seems like just two stockers have performed well. How about 60's?. 109 block, 8445 heads, 206/206 cam, 60 PPH injectors, Alky, in a very light car (2,500#) Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-29-2006, 10:49 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by 1FASTV6 After reading the swinger thread. I thought this was about doing twin sisters. I knew some one would think that.... Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 11-30-2006, 05:06 PM #12 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by john@esp How fast and how much power do you want? 60s would likely be too large. It depends, very much so, on the overall design. We offer 800 hp and 1200 hp kits. The ESP800 Twin Turbo kit has an introductory cost of $6,900. Hope this helps you. Just looking for a moderate HP setup, something that'll live on the street. I wish I could afford going with your set up, but I'm on a real junkyarder budget. Yes, it helped. __________________ Old 01-29-2007, 07:00 PM #1 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Now, here's a Pilot...... Original source unk.... Amazing what our young men and women can do when put into challenging situations like this. This photo was taken by a soldier in Afghanistan of a helo rescue mission. The pilot is a PA Guard guy who flies EMS choppers in civilian life. Now how many people on the planet you reckon could set the end of a chopper down on the roof top of a shack on a steep mountain cliff and hold it there while soldiers load wounded men in the rear??? Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-30-2007, 08:58 PM #8 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Wood Heck, I have landed on moving boats in a chopper numerous times...I don't think that is nearly as difficult as holding the tail end in place on that shack while loading thru the tail door! My hat is off to that pilot Holding a small chopper in a hover is one thing, but holding a Cargo Chopper in a *tight* hover, IMO, is doing something. A Chinook can lift a 105mm Howitzer, 15 troops with intial Fire Base Supplies, and still haul. Throttling one back to dance on just the rear wheels, while *cargo* is moving around?, Yep, Hats off time. __________________ --------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-30-2007, 09:03 PM #3 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by RobsIron He was talking about the Cobra Carroll Shelby built him in the 60's. It was Funny as Sheet. He is a True Talent. One of the few comedians with enough talent to get by without having to rag on others. That routine has changed over the years, but still is funny as ever. The lose of his son was just so tragic, it was just crushing to see that happen to him and his family --------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 01-30-2007, 08:42 PM #16 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 The only *joints* I use other then soldering, are weatherpacks. If you want to do weather resistant connections of any sort, weatherpaks are the only answer. BTW, a good weatherpak crimping tool is about $100. If your going to be doing any EFI work, you need to learn to do both properly. __________________ ------------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 01-23-2007, 09:51 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by tiff84 I'm running 110 and my EGT is around 2000, with zero knock and the car run's like a beast, do those number's sound all right. I wish I had some pics of the turbo we lost on the Puller. EGT hit 2,100dF, and it was hot enough (and long enough) to chrystilize the turbon wheel, it then exploded in to a 3 large, and several hundred smaller pieces. Broke the housing and sh!t exited through the compressor housing. Destroyed the hood, some of the cowling, and in general made a complete mess of things. Not to mention a complete tear down to clean out the debris. For a limited use application, ie racing, with a watchful eye you can run that for a *while*. EGT is about how close you are to the thermal limits of the engine. Ti ex valves and such help to push the limit higher, but a *stocker* ex valve is usally the first thing to go. Well other then a corner of the piston dome. Just as a FWIW, Obert says the combustion temps routinely are 4,500. So you can *see* how fast the gas cools. So while tuning you might see a 100dF change in EGT you might be talking 3-400dF in the combustion chamber. Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-23-2007, 09:54 PM #7 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Sweet6 Depends on the gas you run too. I run up to 1750 degrees with 116. The higher the octane the higher temps you can run. In general, you want to run it as high as you can without detonating. Ya, but there's other options to tuning then just using detonation as the limit. When you tune to that, then if ANY THING goes slightly wrong, it's a major problem. And, as I said EGTs peak at Stoich, so you really need to know if your rich or lean of stoich when tuning like that. ------------------------------- Quick reply to this message Old 01-27-2007, 09:26 PM #6 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Hafrod I'm NOT talking about putting NOS INTO THE MOTOR , just spraying into the front of the intercooler(outside). Give me your thoughts on this guys! Where do you think the *over spray* winds up?. Unless you have a fully sealed, you're going to bleed some into the air cleaner, and since it's hit or miss due to underhood windage, you'll neve know for sure how much is getting into the engine. Use alky, or spray it into the engine in a metered manner. ---------------------------------- Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message Quick reply to this message Old 01-24-2007, 09:33 PM #4 (permalink) Doc1of7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,356 Quote: Originally Posted by Rob_85Ttype 1) from the turbo saver pump housing adapter to the B&M cooler 2) from the cooler to a remote filter adapter very similar to the turbo saver 3) from the filter adapter, split and feed the engine and the turbo, just like the turbo saver. I go from the adapter with -10 to the filter, then off the filter a -4 to the turbo. Since going to a low timing chip (in cruise), oil temps have never gone over 230dF. N' with proper tuning haven't lost any MPG. If you're running a stock timing chip, and especially with EGR then you probably will need a cooler, but the best way to figure things out is to install an Oil Temp Guage, and see where you are. __________________ -------------------------------------