Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:51:45 +0000
From: Bob Ekman {[email protected]}
Subject: Re: 'Goose Mystery Numbers
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

I have a hand written wiring diagram for the Mangusta. However, it is not
color coded and I am not sure how universal this diagram is considering
Detomaso's manufacturing techniques. So if anyone need a copy , just send me
a note- at least the price is right.


Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:42:20 +0000
From: Rebecca Sullivan {[email protected]}
Subject: Re: DeTomaso Innocente
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

} I do not know if anyone can help me out.  I recently aquired a DeTomaso
} Innocente Turbo.  I have checked everywhere that I can think of to find
} parts, particularly the turbo for it.  The car orriginally came from
} Canada and I got it from an Italian repair shop in southern California.
} Every search on the history of DeTomaso does not conclude  to any
} reference of the Innocente.  I am sorry that I am not a curent Pantera
} owner, however that does not stop me from proudly displying the DeTomaso
} badge.  Since it is such a rare vehicle, I would like to put it back
} into proper condition.  Any help would be apprecialted.

Innocenti:  Built 1976-1985

"In 1933, Ferdinando Innocenti laid the first stone for a machinery factory in 
Lambrate, a suburb of Milan..."  and so begins the 3 page chapter 15 of the 
Illustrated Pantera Buyer's Guide which features information an all DeTomaso 
Guide/ ($17.95 Motorbooks International, Publishers and Wholesalers.)  PI's 
own Matt Stone put this together back in '91. 

"In 1976, Innocenti went into bankruptcy and was talken over by GEPI, the 
state institution that takes care of financially weak companies to prevent the 
loss of jobs..." 

Many parts are Austin Healey and 51 percent of the company ended up belonging 
to Fiat. 

After you establish the year, give Stone an e-mail at PI at [email protected] 
or call PI and leave a message for him.  Maybe he has some info. you can use. 

REBECCA SULLIVAN
                                                                     
P.S  There is a 3 cylinder Diahatsu Turbo pictured in the chapter.  Perhaps 
you could find a Japanese parts expert and locate yourself one .  (top speed 
90 mph) 


Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:00:38 +0000
From: "Thomas.J" {[email protected]}
Subject: Mangusta Press Release in French?
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

I have a Mangusta press release in my collection. It's in French and the head 
line says "GHIA pr�sente: MANGUSTA Septembre 1967" it came with a photo of the 
prototype Mangusta and the engine specification says: De Tomaso 8-V 4778 cc, 8 
weber, HP 418 (disponidle aussi moteur a' injection T�l�calamit, HP 437, et 
moteur 5412 cc. a' injection, HP 506). Anyone knows something about this press 
release? Why in French? Whas it a motorshow in Paris 1967? 

Any information in this matter is appreciated.


Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 23:15:58 +0000
From: [email protected]
Subject: Vallelunga Sold...
To: Multiple recipients of list {[email protected]}

You may recall that the one and only RHD Vallelunga was to be offered up at 
auction in the UK.  Here is a report by Keith Martin, the publisher of "Sports 
Car Market", a newsletter dedicated to following the buying and selling prices 
of classic sports cars.  His report consists first of a description of the 
car, then the selling price, then commentary: 

"1965 DeTomaso Vallelunga Coupe:  Red over black.  Right-hand drive; since it 
was offered at an English auction, the RHD was probably a value-enhancement. 
One of 48, powered by a non-original Cortina (Ford) engine.  In typical tired 
De Tomaso condition, with shiny paint but looking as if it might fly 
completely apart when it hits the first speed bump.  Condition:  3 (on a scale 
of 1 to 5).  SOLD AT $24,100. 

Like all thing De Tomaso, the Vallelunga is extremely attractive and built to
a laughable, if not pathetic, standard.  Conventional wisdom is that 
Vallelungas are $75K to $100K cars, but this is the only one we have seen sell 
in public in some time, so conventional wisdom may have to drop its estimation 
by $50K.  The reality of the marketplace will do that to a car." 

Well, all I can say is, somebody stole a car.  I've seen a recent magazine
article on the car, and it appeared to be in pretty decent condition, but 
certainly not concours.  Nevertheless, I think that lowering the perceived 
value of the cars by $50K is ridiculous.  To me, I see the RHD as quite a 
liability, meaning the car would only have any real value within an RHD 
market.  Thus non-UK bidders would certainly have passed.